http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index....es_to.html

They couldnt care less for their state, the citizens of Alabama, or their fans.
will people ever wake up to see what the character of ua is.

Not a shocker, considering the fat deuce they tried to take on UAH hockey and UAB football. Are USA and Troy safe from the UA Board of Regents?

I still love that the Alabama shill that the Board of Regents sent in to get rid of UAH hockey said "club hockey's not so bad," and UAH responded by beating them by a combined score of 33-2 the next 3 times they played.

Why not replace the G5 game with a visiting P5 school? At least then you bring in more people from out of state to fill hotel rooms.

(05-31-2017 09:34 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Why not replace the G5 game with a visiting P5 school? At least then you bring in more people from out of state to fill hotel rooms.

We're talking about an SEC team here. They'll play neutral site games, sure, but then load up on body bags at home.

Bama gonna Bama, Y'all.

(05-31-2017 09:27 PM)Mav Wrote:  Not a shocker, considering the fat deuce they tried to take on UAH hockey and UAB football. Are USA and Troy safe from the UA Board of Regents?

I still love that the Alabama shill that the Board of Regents sent in to get rid of UAH hockey said "club hockey's not so bad," and UAH responded by beating them by a combined score of 33-2 the next 3 times they played.

USA and Troy have their own Board of Regents and do not answer to the UA Board of Regents.

I don't see the issue. It is not another school responsibility to help another university in the State. If law makers want to force, then make it law.

The issue is now there are multiple FBS schools in a state. It was easy to threaten political pressure when NCSU and UNC needed to play ECU. Now with App and Charlotte that threat is gone. I have yet to see UNC renew the ECU series. In addition, it appears NCSU may not be in a hurry too either. There is only two games left on the six game contract meeting every three years. I think it will now be twice every 12 years like NCSU plays Coastal teams. It is crazy to play ECU more often than Duke or UVA. ECU fans are seeing the other side not wanting to play at App or Charlotte.

There is no logical reason for Alabama to ever play an instate G5 school. They sell out their stadium regardless, so having local fans makes no difference. Fans from across state - and they will get up a 6am to drive to Tuscaloosa - bring LESS money to town than that same 2-3,000 seats set aside for them from out of state. At least those folks coming from Colorado and California will make a weekend of Alabama and the gulf coast. Not so Troy, UAB, or USA fans. And that is bad for local business.

So you might as well purchase G5 and FCS schools from further away that might take a smaller check and are located in states you want to recruit (e,g, Texas, Florida, Illinois, Georgia, Virginia, California, etc). Fresno State, Colorado State and Mercer fit that profile.

The worst argument I ever hear is "keep the money instate." This is just stupid, you deserve an F in economics for even thinking it. It does not matter if Troy collects $1.2M from Alabama or Michigan in a road kill game. That all comes out in the wash. Alabama will make the same out payments, the G5 and FCS schools will receive the same income, instate or out of state. It's an economic fallacy to think there is a difference between $1 from Virginia and $1 from Alabama. How stupid does one have to be to even think that?

The only arguments made from USA, UAB, Troy, and Jax State fans are about what it would do for them. But who cares if you are Alabama? Is your school willing to take say $250K less than the going rate? Are you willing to guarantee a larger number of tickets sold? Are you going to get more folks to stay overnight than an out of state school? Unless the answer is yes to all of the above, then you should probably not expect to schedule Alabama. The only reason they would ever play you is because they have too many empty seats and you will play them for a lot less than other G5 schools. But neither is the case.

I'll take Bama's reasoning over the logic used at Arkansas that such games would divide the state and hurt the program or the far more ridiculous idea that AState has to "earn" the right when the teams AState tends to walk over land on the non-conference slate.

The silliness was highlighted after a women's NIT game when AState plastered UArk and the next signing day the schools went head to head on three players and UArk signed them all. Or the fact that both schools are setting record after record in fund-raising.

We don't play because we don't want to. I can accept that just don't give some malarkey

Have to hand it to Michigan and Ohio St: they will play in state MAC's and even Cincy.

(05-31-2017 10:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Have to hand it to Michigan and Ohio St: they will play in state MAC's and even Cincy.

OSU just won't VISIT Cincinnati.

Well, except to play their spring game. (thanks Mike Brown for facilitating that)

This is a sore point with UC fans --- and I do agree with them. They should tell OSU to "pound sand", and never again play in Columbus until OSU agrees to play one in Cincinnati.

Again this is the G5 school demanding that a school (tOSU) which gains no recruiting advantage playing your school (Cincy), and already sells out, should play you because it benefits you.

Economics say this is a bad deal for tOSU. Modern reality.

Note: tOSU does host Cincy in 2019 - and in place of a P5 school (not sure why). So you have your game.
Also tOSU will play 11 P5 schools in 2018 (Oregon State, TCU), 2022 & 2023 (Texas, ND). They don't have a lot of dates to use on G5 schools, and they don't go soft on OOC. The argument is better with Alabama.

(05-31-2017 10:25 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  There is no logical reason for Alabama to ever play an instate G5 school. They sell out their stadium regardless, so having local fans makes no difference. Fans from across state - and they will get up a 6am to drive to Tuscaloosa - bring LESS money to town than that same 2-3,000 seats set aside for them from out of state. At least those folks coming from Colorado and California will make a weekend of Alabama and the gulf coast. Not so Troy, UAB, or USA fans. And that is bad for local business.

So you might as well purchase G5 and FCS schools from further away that might take a smaller check and are located in states you want to recruit (e,g, Texas, Florida, Illinois, Georgia, Virginia, California, etc). Fresno State, Colorado State and Mercer fit that profile.

The worst argument I ever hear is "keep the money instate." This is just stupid, you deserve an F in economics for even thinking it. It does not matter if Troy collects $1.2M from Alabama or Michigan in a road kill game. That all comes out in the wash. Alabama will make the same out payments, the G5 and FCS schools will receive the same income, instate or out of state. It's an economic fallacy to think there is a difference between $1 from Virginia and $1 from Alabama. How stupid does one have to be to even think that?

The only arguments made from USA, UAB, Troy, and Jax State fans are about what it would do for them. But who cares if you are Alabama? Is your school willing to take say $250K less than the going rate? Are you willing to guarantee a larger number of tickets sold? Are you going to get more folks to stay overnight than an out of state school? Unless the answer is yes to all of the above, then you should probably not expect to schedule Alabama. The only reason they would ever play you is because they have too many empty seats and you will play them for a lot less than other G5 schools. But neither is the case.

Troy would be willing to take $250 k less than the going rate, as for tickets, that all depends on how many wealthy alumni Troy has. UNT may have more wealthy alumni than Troy does. If that is the case, then it's really not fair to Troy. Overall, the state of Texas is wealthier than the state of Alabama, so you have to look at that too. I'm willing to bet you didn't even consider that possibility. As for staying overnight vs. an out-of-state school, I'm pretty sure that the answer to your question would be yes, because believe it or not, Alabama is actually a pretty big state, and Troy would have to travel the width of the state to get to Tuscaloosa. Same with USA which would also be making a very long haul. The only teams that the overnight issue would apply to would be UAB & Jax State, as both are not far from Tuscaloosa at all, and could make a day trip of it. Get 'Bama to lower its ticket prices, and Troy & USA would snatch up as many tickets as the out of state teams would.

(05-31-2017 10:25 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The worst argument I ever hear is "keep the money instate." This is just stupid, you deserve an F in economics for even thinking it. It does not matter if Troy collects $1.2M from Alabama or Michigan in a road kill game. That all comes out in the wash. Alabama will make the same out payments, the G5 and FCS schools will receive the same income, instate or out of state. It's an economic fallacy to think there is a difference between $1 from Virginia and $1 from Alabama. How stupid does one have to be to even think that?

"Keeping the money in-state" is more for FCS exemption games, where not every FCS school that wants a FBS buy game will get one.

For the Go5 buy games, where there's not the single-game cap and where there are no P5 conferences with agreements to not schedule Go5 schools, the above seems quite correct ... for those, the money is fungible.

It's weak. VT has scheduled games against JMU, W@M, and ODU recently. If you're going to schedule cupcakes, why not help those cupcakes in your own state? The hokies choked in a game vs JMU... doubt Bama has the same worries.

What on earth is wrong about Bama not playing in-state schools not named Auburn?

If your not ua or au the education dollars in alabama is very tight. Why would one state school send millions to another states education system rather than keep those same state dollar in the states education system. I will add here that auburn does schedule in state schools and it hasnt damaged there recruiting advantage at all nor has it damaged them in any other way. This same bama attitude goes back decades and at one time included auburn also.

Alabama simply believes every dollar spent on another school in alabama is a dollar taken from them. The real motivation is greed.

As a JSU fan, Im not bothered by UAT not wanting to play. Its no different than Troy, USA, UAB , A&M or State not wanting to play us anymore. The program attendance, butts in seats, is the third highest in the state and we are doing fine.

We swept UAT in baseball this year and JSU had a down year. More good reasons not to play us.

Stugray it sounds like you think a fan of a non p5 school has less money than a Alabama fan, dude my be you need to finish elementary school and try to fix that case of stupid you got there

(06-01-2017 06:53 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  As a JSU fan, Im not bothered by UAT not wanting to play. Its no different than Troy, USA, UAB , A&M or State not wanting to play us anymore. The program attendance, butts in seats, is the third highest in the state and we are doing fine.

We swept UAT in baseball this year and JSU had a down year. More good reasons not to play us.

You know Gem, that's actually pretty sad that none of the other in-state programs will play you guys. We should invite you guys to Troy a couple of times, until you guys go FBS or at least can get A&M, State, or Samford to play you guys again. We should help you out and it's a real shame that we don't.

I hear you though on Bama too. We played their baseball team too, and beat them also. I guess the Bama logic is if they're good enough to beat our baseball team, they might be good enough to beat our football team.