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UCSD Chancellor: CSUB is likely needed for us to join Big West
UCSD Chancellor Pradeep Khosla says his impression from the Cal State bloc is that Cal State Bakersfield should be added if UCSD is to get into the Big West.

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If you look at the (Big West vote), I’m told, the UC chancellors voted yes and the Cal State chancellors voted no. And what I’m given to understand is that the Cal State leaders believe that Cal State Bakersfield should be admitted if UC San Diego is voted in.I’m also told that, in the past, Bakersfield’s request to be admitted into the Big West was not approved.

I’m a pretty egalitarian, inclusive guy. My view is let both institutions be admitted. We are not doing this for the edification of the chancellor or the institution. We are doing this for these young men and women who are students. It’s not like we are going to make millions and millions of dollars. All of these campuses are not in big TV viewing areas.
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(05-26-2017 03:12 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  UCSD Chancellor Pradeep Khosla says his impression from the Cal State bloc is that Cal State Bakersfield should be added if UCSD is to get into the Big West.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news...ign=buffer

Take this for what it's worth

If you look at the (Big West vote), I’m told, the UC chancellors voted yes and the Cal State chancellors voted no. And what I’m given to understand is that the Cal State leaders believe that Cal State Bakersfield should be admitted if UC San Diego is voted in.I’m also told that, in the past, Bakersfield’s request to be admitted into the Big West was not approved.

I’m a pretty egalitarian, inclusive guy. My view is let both institutions be admitted. We are not doing this for the edification of the chancellor or the institution. We are doing this for these young men and women who are students. It’s not like we are going to make millions and millions of dollars. All of these campuses are not in big TV viewing areas.

Well they are right about one thing, they don't have very big TV markets. SD would be the biggest one and even that market is shrinking with the departure of the Chargers.
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Still don't believe it would stop there. One more after that for an even 12, and one who's outside California...
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Suffice to say, doesn't look like UCSD is going to entertain thoughts of joining the WAC. That might change in a year though, if the status quo is in place.
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And the obvious CSU v UC politics kept, and will keep, UCSD out. It would be stupid of the CSU's to give up their numbers.

Bako has done well in the WAC, do they really want into the BW as badly as they did when they were rejected?

And JD, just stop with the BW going with a school outside of CA. That ain't happening in the BW Cali bus league.
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(05-27-2017 02:11 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  And the obvious CSU v UC politics kept, and will keep, UCSD out. It would be stupid of the CSU's to give up their numbers.

Bako has done well in the WAC, do they really want into the BW as badly as they did when they were rejected?

And JD, just stop with the BW going with a school outside of CA. That ain't happening in the BW Cali bus league.

All good points, especially the last one. GCU is not going to the Big West. UCSD to the Big West made sense because they were an academic fit in a market that the Big West was not in. They gave the BW a 10th team. If the cost is allegedly adding CSUB as well, it is not going to happen.
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Apparently the loss of Pacific plays a part in this conversation. With Pacific still in the BWC, adding CSUB along with UCSD seems to be a more realistic concept. Now, with an odd number of schools, the BWC has to look beyond the California borders for a school or wait for another (non UC nor CSU) California D2 program to become D1 ready (Cal Poly Pomona?). The BWC could look toward adding either GCU, CBU, or Seattle U. but those schools seemed to be more focused on joining the WCC in the future; and frankly they are a better fit for that conference as private Christian universities.
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(05-28-2017 02:04 PM)NMSUPistolPete Wrote:  Apparently the loss of Pacific plays a part in this conversation. With Pacific still in the BWC, adding CSUB along with UCSD seems to be a more realistic concept. Now, with an odd number of schools, the BWC has to look beyond the California borders for a school or wait for another (non UC nor CSU) California D2 program to become D1 ready (Cal Poly Pomona?). The BWC could look toward adding either GCU, CBU, or Seattle U. but those schools seemed to be more focused on joining the WCC in the future; and frankly they are a better fit for that conference as private Christian universities.

The problem with Pomona is that it would also throw off the CSU/UC balance that BW wants.
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I can't see the BW wanting to pick up a private school no matter how good they might be and the WCC won't do much until they think BYU and Gonzaga are ready to jump elsewhere. I say let the WAC take over some of these lesser schools from the Big Sky to get to ten.
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I suppose another option would be Hawaii leaving at some point. If they go full time MWC or some other scenario where they leave, it opens up for a UC/CSU combo.
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RE: UCSD Chancellor: CSUB is likely needed for us to join Big West
(05-28-2017 08:49 PM)SJHornet Wrote:  I suppose another option would be Hawaii leaving at some point. If they go full time MWC or some other scenario where they leave, it opens up for a UC/CSU combo.

that is the most likely scenario for both to get in. Also possible the remaining eight members are content as is.
Personally, I am okay with UCSD as long as someone outside California comes along too. But that requires a little vision, something the conference lacks.
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RE: UCSD Chancellor: CSUB is likely needed for us to join Big West
Khosla may simply be repeating what the SDUT reporter suggested. As I have mentioned before, I have had a private email conversation with the reporter and he concedes that was purely conjecture on his part (he admitted it was just as likely the ADs from the UC schools were against UCD because they would be competing for the same limited pool of UC qualified D-I athletes). My own experience in executive boards leads me to believe it never came to a vote. Rather a "sense of the room" indicated a lack of interest. I don't even think the group statement about liking the mix of UC and CSU schools was anything more than meant to be generic.

I think Khosla is also projecting to think CSUB is an answer, as they have been rejected multiple times. I just don't think the Big West wants to expand and split the NCAA distributions even one more way.

My sense is, if the Big West expanded, without a high profile athletic addition (e.g., one of the current FBS school in California), that UCSD would be flanked by CSU Bakersfield and Sacramento State. I don't see the Big West expanding beyond California for the simple reason that there is ZERO revenue. GCU is out due to academics (same reason/bias UC schools in the Pac-12 will never take BYU), and no other school comes close in value and reasonable distance.

Far more likely is if UC Davis getting serious about athletics as the campus grows above 30,000 or even 35,000 students and becoming too big a target with a large and wealthy alumni base (like Cal) to pass up and the MWC grabs them as a replacement for losing a school )most likely Colorado State) in the Big 12 meltdown. If that happened the door would be open for UCSD. However UC Davis simply lacks the leadership to focus on the long term future of the school. I don;t know if that is due to inertia or the UC regents bowing o pressure from UCLA and UC Berkeley not to allow Davis to become the largest campus and a rival at some point in the future to their flagship status. (Davis has that potential, as they are the one campus in the system with the land available to grow to 50,000 students and be the California version of Wisconsin at Madison; this is not lost of the leaders of Berkeley and UCLA).

Anyway Khosla/s comments need to be seen as derivative of speculative commentary from a SDUT reporter. Take it with a big grain of salt.
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(05-28-2017 10:43 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(05-28-2017 08:49 PM)SJHornet Wrote:  I suppose another option would be Hawaii leaving at some point. If they go full time MWC or some other scenario where they leave, it opens up for a UC/CSU combo.

that is the most likely scenario for both to get in. Also possible the remaining eight members are content as is.
Personally, I am okay with UCSD as long as someone outside California comes along too. But that requires a little vision, something the conference lacks.

There's little chance of UH leaving the Big West. Besides being the best geographic fit for UH of any D-1 conference, it's solidly competitive in most of the sports UH cares about, e.g. men's and women's volleyball, beach volleyball, baseball and softball. Men's basketball would be better off in the MWC but the mountain division MWC schools want nothing to do with road trips to Honolulu.
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(05-29-2017 10:42 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(05-28-2017 10:43 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(05-28-2017 08:49 PM)SJHornet Wrote:  I suppose another option would be Hawaii leaving at some point. If they go full time MWC or some other scenario where they leave, it opens up for a UC/CSU combo.

that is the most likely scenario for both to get in. Also possible the remaining eight members are content as is.
Personally, I am okay with UCSD as long as someone outside California comes along too. But that requires a little vision, something the conference lacks.

There's little chance of UH leaving the Big West. Besides being the best geographic fit for UH of any D-1 conference, it's solidly competitive in most of the sports UH cares about, e.g. men's and women's volleyball, beach volleyball, baseball and softball. Men's basketball would be better off in the MWC but the mountain division MWC schools want nothing to do with road trips to Honolulu.
The BW sponsors Beach??
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(05-30-2017 01:59 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  
(05-29-2017 10:42 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(05-28-2017 10:43 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(05-28-2017 08:49 PM)SJHornet Wrote:  I suppose another option would be Hawaii leaving at some point. If they go full time MWC or some other scenario where they leave, it opens up for a UC/CSU combo.

that is the most likely scenario for both to get in. Also possible the remaining eight members are content as is.
Personally, I am okay with UCSD as long as someone outside California comes along too. But that requires a little vision, something the conference lacks.

There's little chance of UH leaving the Big West. Besides being the best geographic fit for UH of any D-1 conference, it's solidly competitive in most of the sports UH cares about, e.g. men's and women's volleyball, beach volleyball, baseball and softball. Men's basketball would be better off in the MWC but the mountain division MWC schools want nothing to do with road trips to Honolulu.
The BW sponsors Beach??

Yes, CSUB is an affiliate for WBVB (sorry, I just think calling it "Sand Volleyball" is sacrilegious 03-wink )
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(05-30-2017 02:07 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  
(05-30-2017 01:59 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  
(05-29-2017 10:42 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(05-28-2017 10:43 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(05-28-2017 08:49 PM)SJHornet Wrote:  I suppose another option would be Hawaii leaving at some point. If they go full time MWC or some other scenario where they leave, it opens up for a UC/CSU combo.

that is the most likely scenario for both to get in. Also possible the remaining eight members are content as is.
Personally, I am okay with UCSD as long as someone outside California comes along too. But that requires a little vision, something the conference lacks.

There's little chance of UH leaving the Big West. Besides being the best geographic fit for UH of any D-1 conference, it's solidly competitive in most of the sports UH cares about, e.g. men's and women's volleyball, beach volleyball, baseball and softball. Men's basketball would be better off in the MWC but the mountain division MWC schools want nothing to do with road trips to Honolulu.
The BW sponsors Beach??

Yes, CSUB is an affiliate for WBVB (sorry, I just think calling it "Sand Volleyball" is sacrilegious 03-wink )

Sac State is an affiliate too.
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(05-30-2017 03:43 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(05-30-2017 02:07 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  
(05-30-2017 01:59 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  
(05-29-2017 10:42 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(05-28-2017 10:43 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  that is the most likely scenario for both to get in. Also possible the remaining eight members are content as is.
Personally, I am okay with UCSD as long as someone outside California comes along too. But that requires a little vision, something the conference lacks.

There's little chance of UH leaving the Big West. Besides being the best geographic fit for UH of any D-1 conference, it's solidly competitive in most of the sports UH cares about, e.g. men's and women's volleyball, beach volleyball, baseball and softball. Men's basketball would be better off in the MWC but the mountain division MWC schools want nothing to do with road trips to Honolulu.
The BW sponsors Beach??

Yes, CSUB is an affiliate for WBVB (sorry, I just think calling it "Sand Volleyball" is sacrilegious 03-wink )

Sac State is an affiliate too.

Found out that GCU is actually an independent team.
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(05-27-2017 02:11 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  And the obvious CSU v UC politics kept, and will keep, UCSD out. It would be stupid of the CSU's to give up their numbers.

Bako has done well in the WAC, do they really want into the BW as badly as they did when they were rejected?

And JD, just stop with the BW going with a school outside of CA. That ain't happening in the BW Cali bus league.

I don't think Bako would want the Big West, they have really grown more in the WAC than they could in the Big West.
Question I may have for Sac. St is, would they consider gong to the WAC in all sports and keep the Big Sky as a football affiliate? The WAC is showing to be a much better conference than the Big Sky.
Sac. St provides another large metro city with easy travel to the rest of the conference.
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(05-30-2017 01:59 PM)ThunderDan49 Wrote:  
(05-29-2017 10:42 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(05-28-2017 10:43 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(05-28-2017 08:49 PM)SJHornet Wrote:  I suppose another option would be Hawaii leaving at some point. If they go full time MWC or some other scenario where they leave, it opens up for a UC/CSU combo.

that is the most likely scenario for both to get in. Also possible the remaining eight members are content as is.
Personally, I am okay with UCSD as long as someone outside California comes along too. But that requires a little vision, something the conference lacks.

There's little chance of UH leaving the Big West. Besides being the best geographic fit for UH of any D-1 conference, it's solidly competitive in most of the sports UH cares about, e.g. men's and women's volleyball, beach volleyball, baseball and softball. Men's basketball would be better off in the MWC but the mountain division MWC schools want nothing to do with road trips to Honolulu.
The BW sponsors Beach??

Yes, the Big West is one of five conferences that sponsor the sport; the MWC does not. UH won the conference title in 2017, went on to the NCAA tournament, and finished third nationally after losing to eventual champion USC. Long Beach State finished second in the conference, also went to the NCAA tournament, and finished seventh.

The Big West will also become the fifth conference to sponsor men's volleyball, beginning next season. Needless to say, the MWC does not sponsor that sport either. UH went to the final four in men's volleyball this year where it lost to eventual champion Ohio State.
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(05-30-2017 05:38 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I don't think Bako would want the Big West, they have really grown more in the WAC than they could in the Big West.
Question I may have for Sac. St is, would they consider gong to the WAC in all sports and keep the Big Sky as a football affiliate? The WAC is showing to be a much better conference than the Big Sky.
Sac. St provides another large metro city with easy travel to the rest of the conference.

Hypothetically if we got a FB only deal with the BSC I would like to think the WAC would be a target. Aside from Portland State (another school in a large metro area) we have nothing in common with anyone in the BSC besides being an FCS school west of the Mississippi.

I've heard people claim that we have forged rivalries with some of the BSC members but that is not true. People only care about BSC opponents when it's the top programs that come to town Weber State (hoops), Montucky (hoops and fb) get good crowds; none of which come close to Causeway matchups.

The WAC would give us an in-state rival in Bako, and short cheap direct flights to large metro areas on the West Coast. Throw in the fact that the hoops product is better than the BSC and it's a no brainer to go with WAC over BSC if that were ever a possibility.
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