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RE: ND joining the ACC for football not so far fetched....
ACC: Notre Dame & Cincinnati
Big Ten: Missouri & Kansas
PAC-16: Texas, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Houston
SEC: Oklahoma, West Virginia, Carolina U. (Former ECU)

Big 12 down to four: Iowa State, Kansas State, TCU, Baylor
Adds: BYU, Colorado State, Tulsa, Boise State, UConn, Temple, SMU, Rice, Tulane, UCF, South Florida, & Memphis

BIG XVI
NORTH
BYU
Boise State
Colorado State
Iowa State

SOUTH
Tulane
Memphis
Baylor
Rice

EAST
UConn
Temple
UCF
South Florida

WEST
TCU
SMU
Tulsa
Kansas State
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RE: ND joining the ACC for football not so far fetched....
(05-13-2017 02:58 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-13-2017 01:03 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-13-2017 01:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(05-13-2017 12:29 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  So if ND comes into the fold, the ACC would need #16, which would likely be UConn.
The question then becomes do we really go to the 4 conference 16-team model?
Texahoma four to Pac-12?
Mizzouri and Kansas to B1G?
WVU, TCU, and Tech to SEC?

I'm cool with that alignment but I think you mean Baylor and not Tech to the SEC. Iowa St and Kansas St to the AAC.

Baylor isn't going anywhere Muskie. And the thread is about N.D. likely going all in with the ACC, not about realignment options.

And Notre Dame isn't joining the ACC in 2019. I've looked at their future schedules going out 12 years. Notre Dame has so many non-ACC games that 3 different years they'll play only 4 ACC games. They aren't going to play 8.

Future scheduling has never stopped a realignment move, ever.
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(05-13-2017 12:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  There are many more upsides financially to what a model of 3 divisions of 6 can do for a conference than you can get with 16 or 16 with pods.

Interesting. I don't recall you saying this previously -- sorry if I missed it in an earlier post -- and I'd like to understand the rationale for it. Could you explain a bit further?
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When does ND's contract with NBC run out?
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(05-13-2017 02:43 PM)TerryD Wrote:  In the alternate universe fantasy of Brando's, ND would have some say in who would be #16.

My guess is ND would propose:

1) Navy for football only, and
2) Georgetown for all other sports.


That would allow ND to keep playing Navy every year without using up a valuable OOC slot and fill in the gap, geographically, that the ACC has with Maryland's departure.

It would also satisfy ND's desire to have a better "fit", i.e., to have more schools like itself in the ACC, with Georgetown being Catholic (sort of, lol) and private.

But, all of this is Brando fantasy, anyway.
I think Navy and Nova would make a better fit for the ACC. In addition to Maryland, the ACC would have Philadelphia/South Jersey. And I believe Nova's Olympic sports are perhaps more competitive than Georgetown's.
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(05-13-2017 02:43 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(05-13-2017 12:29 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  So if ND comes into the fold, the ACC would need #16, which would likely be UConn.
The question then becomes do we really go to the 4 conference 16-team model?
Texahoma four to Pac-12?
Mizzouri and Kansas to B1G?
WVU, TCU, and Tech to SEC?

In the alternate universe fantasy of Brando's, ND would have some say in who would be #16.

My guess is ND would propose:

1) Navy for football only, and
2) Georgetown for all other sports.


That would allow ND to keep playing Navy every year without using up a valuable OOC slot and fill in the gap, geographically, that the ACC has with Maryland's departure.

It would also satisfy ND's desire to have a better "fit", i.e., to have more schools like itself in the ACC, with Georgetown being Catholic (sort of, lol) and private.

But, all of this is Brando fantasy, anyway.


I tend to agree with the bolded statement. But to your other point, if the ACC were to then add Navy for football only, why would they need to add anybody else? Why does basketball need more teams?
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RE: ND joining the ACC for football not so far fetched....
I'm sure this will be scoffed at, but I'm not sure everybody in the ACC would be happy with all the ramifications of Notre Dame joining for football.

Going to 16 teams almost surely means going to a 9 game league schedule. Since this was recently voted down by the narrowest of margins, some members might ask for tough concessions for their support on this. ND might be one of them.

And divisional alignment won't be any easier either.

That's not to say the ACC is unique in this regard. Any conference that goes to 16 teams would face the same issues. Unless, of course, a 13th regular season game is added to the schedule. 07-coffee3
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I don't know why you guys keep persisting with the "Navy" stuff? Don't you know that all three service academies have essentially agreed to stay out of the P5. Height and weight restrictions mean P5 schedules injure too many cadet and middies who are giving up an average of 80lbs a man on the line. And three weeks ago they did away with waivers for athletes getting a professional draft. All personnel will now serve their commitment before being eligible to leave for professional sports. The question is not will they enter the P conferences, but rather will they stay in the G ones.
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ND opens their 2019 season Labor Day night at Louisville.

(05-13-2017 12:52 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-13-2017 11:55 AM)Villecard Wrote:  On this shortened edition of LSL, Fox Sports’ Tim Brando (7:05) joined the program to discuss UofL hoops and football and the ACC. He also explained why he thinks Notre Dame will join the ACC in football. We reminisced about the Metro conference and the always entertaining Louisville-Memphis State games.

Listen HERE

It merely verified what I was told by a guy who has extremely well placed connections at N.D. He said that N.D. would join in concert with the ACCN's debut in 2019 and that they wanted Cincinnati as a travel partner.

So when I listened to the pod cast last night I could hear Brando resonating what I had been told.

It bodes very well for the ACCN's debut if it proves to be reliable.
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(05-13-2017 12:29 PM)shizzle787 Wrote:  So if ND comes into the fold, the ACC would need #16, which would likely be UConn.
The question then becomes do we really go to the 4 conference 16-team model?
Texahoma four to Pac-12?
Mizzouri and Kansas to B1G?
WVU, TCU, and Tech to SEC?

IF ND where to ever join.

Sorry, it will not be UCONN. It will more than likely be Houston, Cincy or Navy (FB Only) ACC wants into Texas market and Houston TV market is perfect for the ACC network. Basketball would be second for any consideration of a team when ND.

ND may want Navy and the ACC has already shown it will do about anything to get ND to join.
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ACC 16th first choice Texas, failing that West Virginia.

The whole West Virginia, Louisville sweepstakes for the Big XII, followed by the Louisville, Cincinnati and Connecticut tothe ACC clearly showed a pecking order

1. West Virginia
2. Louisville
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3 & Cincy & UConn

The Big XII if it loses Texas, OU, probably KU and perhaps a 4th as a Texas partner (unless that is West Virginia in the SEC), would go back to that list and at the top is West Virginia - and it's not really close.
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Some ND alumni reaction (Lol, maybe reactionary, given the Board). None like the idea at all.

http://ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?...0416;d=all
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I'm not an Irish fan, and I don't like the idea either. They really don;t need it from a schedule or access POV - 5 ACC games, plus Stanford, USC and Navy gives them a core 8 games, and there is no shortage of schools that want to play the Irish and will even bend their schedules to take them in October or November. But the reality is the ACCN potential is something they need to get a piece of.
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(05-13-2017 03:39 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  When does ND's contract with NBC run out?



2025. It was just recently renewed for ten years.
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(05-13-2017 06:36 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I'm not an Irish fan, and I don't like the idea either. They really don;t need it from a schedule or access POV - 5 ACC games, plus Stanford, USC and Navy gives them a core 8 games, and there is no shortage of schools that want to play the Irish and will even bend their schedules to take them in October or November. But the reality is the ACCN potential is something they need to get a piece of.



ND already contractually is set to get a full share of any ACC Network distributions, just like every other ACC school.

The latest deal signed last July guarantees ND this WITHOUT having to join in football through 2036.

That is why you just saw ND and the ACC announce those games through 2037.



One day after the ACC and ND announce scheduled games through 2037, Brando tells us otherwise.

He said the same thing back before the ACC Network and the new GOR was announced.

If this was in the works (as Brando says), why did ND and the ACC agree to the contractual provision that says that ND doesn't have to join in football through 2036, but gets a full ACC Network share?

That is a lot of effort and negotiations for...nothing?

Why not announce ND to the ACC at the same time as the ACC Network announcement last year?

What a big splash that would have made! That would have been big news indeed.

Didn't happen.

Why go to the bother of making the schedule announcement if it is "fake news" and was never meant by either side?

It just doesn't make "walking around sense".

Brando has always been a blowhard. He lives in Shreveport, is an SEC honk and has no ties to ND.
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(05-13-2017 06:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Some ND alumni reaction (Lol, maybe reactionary, given the Board). None like the idea at all.

http://ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?...0416;d=all

Rock's House is the most radical of all of the ND message boards.
Those guys bash everything.....Swarbrick, Kelly, 1 loss seasons. It's the most reactionary bunch on the internet. What they want is Knute......Ara wasn't good enough...he was a Presbyterian....Holtz...maybe. A truly delusional bunch.
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(05-13-2017 06:29 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  ACC 16th first choice Texas, failing that West Virginia.

The whole West Virginia, Louisville sweepstakes for the Big XII, followed by the Louisville, Cincinnati and Connecticut tothe ACC clearly showed a pecking order

1. West Virginia
2. Louisville
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3 & Cincy & UConn

The Big XII if it loses Texas, OU, probably KU and perhaps a 4th as a Texas partner (unless that is West Virginia in the SEC), would go back to that list and at the top is West Virginia - and it's not really close.

Louisville is already in the ACC. c'mon man!
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(05-13-2017 06:42 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(05-13-2017 06:30 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Some ND alumni reaction (Lol, maybe reactionary, given the Board). None like the idea at all.

http://ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?...0416;d=all

Rock's House is the most radical of all of the ND message boards.
Those guys bash everything.....Swarbrick, Kelly, 1 loss seasons. It's the most reactionary bunch on the internet. What they want is Knute......Ara wasn't good enough...he was a Presbyterian....Holtz...maybe. A truly delusional bunch.

Yes, but they are mostly alumni and not THAT unrepresentative of the overall alumni attitudes towards the idea of ND joining a football conference.

You would have to win them over, and many like them, or you would have an insurgent, unruly, angry bunch who would fight this tooth and nail, if it were in the realm of probability, which it is not.

If it is, that angry, surly insurgent group will be inside the ACC....and fighting everything about the conference.

Last year, Tim Brando assured all of us that ND was going to join the ACC for football......because with the ACC Network, the money was just going to be too damn good to pass up.

When it came out that the ACC had carved out ND football through 2036 AND gave ND a full ACC Network share, he disappeared.

Now, he is back...with another "theory".
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If Notre Dame has a share of the ACCN, even pro-rated at 5/8th for Football, full for Basketball, then the need to join is much less. They just need a better primary deal for their Football.

Actually ND is scheduled through 2037.
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(05-13-2017 07:30 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  If Notre Dame has a share of the ACCN, even pro-rated at 5/8th for Football, full for Basketball, then the need to join is much less. They just need a better primary deal for their Football.

Actually ND is scheduled through 2037.


ND is going to get the same amount of distributions from the ACC Network as the other fourteen ACC schools.

Nothing is pro-rated. A full share, without joining for football.

People inside ND say the new 2015-25 NBC deals pays ND $22 or 23 million per year for 7 football games.

The old 2005-10 NBC deal paid ND $15 million a year.


It gets around $6.2 million/year from the ACC/ESPN deal for its basketball, baseball and other sports.

It has its own separate deal with NBC Sports to televise its home hockey games, despite joining the Big Ten for hockey and having away hockey games on BTN (which I will never see, cuz I won't pay for BTN).
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