(05-10-2017 08:33 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  I don't understand about ECU?

ECU AAC games were on CBSSN or NEWS. NEWS used to be rated. CBSSN never has been. Bad luck I guess. Surprised me too.

(05-10-2017 08:42 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:33 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  I don't understand about ECU?

ECU AAC games were on CBSSN or NEWS. NEWS used to be rated. CBSSN never has been. Bad luck I guess. Surprised me too.

They did have one game on a rated station-- NC State came to Greenville and the game was shown on ESPNU.

(05-10-2017 08:10 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 07:26 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Includes conference games across rated platforms. In 2016, Nielsen added beIN to and dropped ESPNEWS from their ratings service.

AAC/Average Viewership/Platform
Houston 1,298,667 (ABC, 2ESPN, 2ESPN2, ESPN)
Memphis 1,018,250 (ABC, ESPN, 2ESPNU)
UCONN 972,000 (ESPN, ESPN2)
Temple 919,800 (ABC, 2ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU)
Navy 909,000 (ABC, ESPN2, ESPNU)
Cincinnati 735,250 (ESPN, ESPN2, 2ESPNU)
USF 542,250 (ESPN, ESPN2, 2ESPNU)
Tulsa 364,750 (3ESPN2, ESPNU)
SMU 334,667 (2ESPN2, ESPNU)
UCF 134,667 (3ESPNU)
Tulane 127,000 (2ESPNU)
ECU 0 conference games on rated channels

Per Platform:

ABC
3.093M (BF) Memphis/Houston
2.050M (Champ) Temple/Navy

ESPN
2.159M (T) Houston/Cincinnati
1.421M (T) UCONN/Houston
1.300M (F) USF/Temple
626K (T) Temple/Memphis

ESPN2
556K (F) Navy/USF
526K (BF) Cincinnati/Tulsa
523K (F) Temple/UCONN
473K (S) Houston/SMU
454K (S) Tulsa/Houston
410K (F) SMU/Tulsa

ESPNU
192K (S) UCF/Houston
185K (F) Memphis/Tulane
169K (S) USF/Memphis
144K (S) USF/Cincinnati
121K (S) Navy/SMU
112K (S) Cincinnati/UCF
100K (S) Temple/UCF
69K (S) Tulane/Tulsa

2016 had 14,683,000 total viewers for 20 AAC conference games compared to 17,058,000 for 35 games in 2015 and 11,148,000 for 30 games in 2014.

Source: http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

ECU had 0 games on rated channels. O. That's bs.

ECU had 8 conference games on ESPNews and CBSSN so they weren't counted in this survey. Non conference games were carried on ACCN, SECN, ESPNU, ESPN3. Still a lot of value.

(05-10-2017 08:32 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:16 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  It's conference games only. Same thing I did last year. Networks bid on conference packages, not OOC games as they can be postoned/cancelled beyond a contract expiration date. The only teams that may have their OOC games considered in negotiations are the service academies as those are guaranteed games.

I see what you are saying overall, and this in-conference games only look definitely has value.

However, I disagree that a bid doesn't factor in OOC games. AAC's overall value is increased because of the track record of Houston-Oklahoma, Houston-Louisville, Memphis-Mississippi, USF-FSU, etc. The AAC CAN get home-and-homes or neutral sites like these games AND they deliver a hype-able game which delivers viewers. I would submit that it adds to the value in negotiations.
(In addition to the Navy games which you already mentioned - In addition to the Army-Navy cash cow and the Navy-Air Force average to above average ratings, Navy-Notre Dame is scheduled through 2026 and AIN'T going away)

Based on the research I've done on media contracts, bidding on conference games is SOP. If the conference in question has a challenge with another conference, then those OOC games would be factored in. P5 vs. G5 games get bought out, postponed, or outright cancelled all the time. The AACs ability to attract H&H with P5 teams is a nice boon, but doesn't account for a large percentage of the catalog. I'll try to find the article I read on the subject (it's been at least 4/5 years ago). If the the AAC could get a challenge or scheduling agreement with a major conference in bball or even some guaranteed games with the MWC in fball, it might boost value. Like I said earlier, y'all are the only non P5 teams where OOC games carry more weight due to the guarantees.

Ucf numbers sucked because of our network placement. Hopefully espn thinks we will be good and moves us up to espn or ESPN2 for some games. Espn news and Espnu is the abyss.

Ucf vs Michigan had over 2 million.

(05-10-2017 08:44 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:42 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:33 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  I don't understand about ECU?

ECU AAC games were on CBSSN or NEWS. NEWS used to be rated. CBSSN never has been. Bad luck I guess. Surprised me too.

They did have one game on a rated station-- NC State came to Greenville and the game was shown on ESPNU.

Right, an OOC game. The goal is to look at the G5 from a network perspective. How many times have we heard "All G5s are the same/will be treated the same." This is an attempt to approximate conference value (as measured in eyeballs) across the G5 w/o OOC games influencing the numbers. Still, not everyone plays on the exact same days at the exact same times on the exact same channels. So, it's not apples to apples, but about as close as I can think of to measure relative value of these groupings of schools. If y'all want to add in more have at it. :)

That Tulane game really hurt Tulsa's average. We would be about 100k viewers higher on average if not for Tulane.

(05-10-2017 09:04 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Ucf numbers sucked because of our network placement. Hopefully espn thinks we will be good and moves us up to espn or ESPN2 for some games. Espn news and Espnu is the abyss.

Ucf vs Michigan had over 2 million.

We all played a number of games on those stations. Cincinnati had 4 football games on CBS Sports. Even more bizarre we had 10 basketball games on that channel last season.

(05-10-2017 09:04 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Ucf numbers sucked because of our network placement. Hopefully espn thinks we will be good and moves us up to espn or ESPN2 for some games. Espn news and Espnu is the abyss.

Ucf vs Michigan had over 2 million.

Yep, compared to last year's numbers, the delisting of ESPNEWS probably helped the AAC's averages. I'm guessing they fell below whatever household number Nielsen uses as a threshold.

Oh, and MACtion may be hard on attendance, but it brings the eyeballs. They've definitely found a niche.

(05-10-2017 09:14 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 09:04 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Ucf numbers sucked because of our network placement. Hopefully espn thinks we will be good and moves us up to espn or ESPN2 for some games. Espn news and Espnu is the abyss.

Ucf vs Michigan had over 2 million.

Yep, compared to last year's numbers, the delisting of ESPNEWS probably helped the AAC's averages. I'm guessing they fell below whatever household number Nielsen uses as a threshold.

Odd that ESPN-News would below the threshold while BeIn would be above it. I wonder if it just comes down to who pays for the Neilson service and who doesn't. Frankly in this day and age of sophisticated cable boxes---I'm surprised a cable based network even needs neilson to know how many people are watching.

(05-10-2017 09:09 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:44 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:42 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:33 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  I don't understand about ECU?

ECU AAC games were on CBSSN or NEWS. NEWS used to be rated. CBSSN never has been. Bad luck I guess. Surprised me too.

They did have one game on a rated station-- NC State came to Greenville and the game was shown on ESPNU.

Right, an OOC game. The goal is to look at the G5 from a network perspective. How many times have we heard "All G5s are the same/will be treated the same." This is an attempt to approximate conference value (as measured in eyeballs) across the G5 w/o OOC games influencing the numbers. Still, not everyone plays on the exact same days at the exact same times on the exact same channels. So, it's not apples to apples, but about as close as I can think of to measure relative value of these groupings of schools. If y'all want to add in more have at it. :)

If it a home game (even ooc) it is part of the aac package. Those need to count.

The AAC numbers on a team basis also greatly depends on how good the team is that year. When ECU was good in our first year, we played on ABC twice and the ESPN regular family the entire season.

(05-10-2017 09:56 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  The AAC numbers on a team basis also greatly depends on how good the team is that year. When ECU was good in our first year, we played on ABC twice and the ESPN regular family the entire season.

Same thing with ucf a few years back with Bortles. Got a home game on ABC and multiple games on espn or espn2. All really good ratings. I believe we had over a 5 share in Orlando for the ucf/Louisville game.

(05-10-2017 09:50 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 09:09 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:44 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:42 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:33 AM)JHS55 Wrote:  I don't understand about ECU?

ECU AAC games were on CBSSN or NEWS. NEWS used to be rated. CBSSN never has been. Bad luck I guess. Surprised me too.

They did have one game on a rated station-- NC State came to Greenville and the game was shown on ESPNU.

Right, an OOC game. The goal is to look at the G5 from a network perspective. How many times have we heard "All G5s are the same/will be treated the same." This is an attempt to approximate conference value (as measured in eyeballs) across the G5 w/o OOC games influencing the numbers. Still, not everyone plays on the exact same days at the exact same times on the exact same channels. So, it's not apples to apples, but about as close as I can think of to measure relative value of these groupings of schools. If y'all want to add in more have at it. :)

If it a home game (even ooc) it is part of the aac package. Those need to count.

It's not that they don't count. They just don't weigh as heavily in TV negotiations as conference games do. I'll try to find an article I read that explains it better than I can. I think it was either in SBD or Advertising Age for some reason is sticking in my mind. When a network is considering bidding on a conference contract, conference games are weighed more heavily than OOC. Obviously, they make up the bulk of the catalog, but also OOC games are not guaranteed in the sense that they are routinely moved around, bought out or just plain dropped. Now, if a conference has a scheduling agreement with another conference, then great...even more value for the network as they are guaranteed. OOC games do count and I'm sure ESPN likes the fact the AAC is able to sign fairly high profile H&Hs, but they do not make up a significant portion of a conference's relative value (which is determined to be fanbase in this particular instance). What is pertinent are the numbers a particular grouping of schools can self generate. Basically, it's a measure of the conference fanbase. Obviously, the best way to measure that is by comparing conference games. This doesn't mean that OOC games are worthless, far from it. They just make it harder to determine a conference's relative worth. Clear as mud? :)

It's been great too that ABC has picked up a conference game (besides the champ) the past couple of years. Talk about exposure! Hope that trend can continue.

I had no clue anyone watched UConn football.

(05-10-2017 08:20 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Unlike the MAC and SB, the MWC has all their teir 1 games on CBS-SN. ESPN only gets the MWC games CBS-SN passes on. The MAC gets exposure on espn; MWC doesn't, bad comparison.

ESPN broadcasts all of Boise St.'s home games. But, yes, CBS-SN picks up Boise's road games and other decent MWC games.

(05-10-2017 08:32 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(05-10-2017 08:16 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  It's conference games only. Same thing I did last year. Networks bid on conference packages, not OOC games as they can be postoned/cancelled beyond a contract expiration date. The only teams that may have their OOC games considered in negotiations are the service academies as those are guaranteed games.

I see what you are saying overall, and this in-conference games only look definitely has value.

However, I disagree that a bid doesn't factor in OOC games. AAC's overall value is increased because of the track record of Houston-Oklahoma, Houston-Louisville, Memphis-Mississippi, USF-FSU, etc. The AAC CAN get home-and-homes or neutral sites like these games AND they deliver a hype-able game which delivers viewers. I would submit that it adds to the value in negotiations.
(In addition to the Navy games which you already mentioned - In addition to the Army-Navy cash cow and the Navy-Air Force average to above average ratings, Navy-Notre Dame is scheduled through 2026 and AIN'T going away)

I absolutely agree with this. Look at the AAC games that have been broadcast on ABC as part of the AAC deal over the last 3 years. 7 out of 9 have been OOC games, and most of those are against juggernaut programs (Notre Dame, Oklahoma(x2), Florida St.). Not a coincidence.

2016
Houston-Memphis
Florida St.-USF
Oklahoma-Houston

2015
Navy-Houston
Notre Dame-Temple
Ole Miss-Memphis

2014
Texas A&M-SMU
Boise St.-UConn
Oklahoma-Tulsa

Thanks to gulfcoastgal for compiling these numbers. Using the ratings for conference games is the most accurate way to gauge a league's drawing power. As great as it is that our league members can get home games with big-name schools, those numbers are artificially inflated. When it's AAC vs. AAC, we are outdrawing the rest of the G5 by a large margin.

And again, just for the record...

THIS IS FOR CONFERENCE GAMES ONLY