(05-03-2017 02:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  At least the AAC is trying. What exactly are we doing to improve our conference?

Having fans that pull for their own school may help.


Pac 10?







/just messin' with ya!.....

(05-04-2017 07:58 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 02:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  At least the AAC is trying. What exactly are we doing to improve our conference?

Having fans that pull for their own school may help.


Pac 10?







/just messin' with ya!.....

#valid

(05-04-2017 06:54 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 08:41 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 12:45 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 09:26 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  AAC is lucky to have Aresco. Aresco has good marketing sense. This is all about perception. He is on right track to change legislative process to allow AAC to become an official P6. It might just happen.

pretty much... and I'm an ECU fan. the notion that the P5 give a damn is laughable. the notion that P6 is primarily about legislation is even dumber. It's about money and large fanbases. We don't have it in comparison to the P5.

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You are an ECU fan and you don't think we have a large fan base? Apart from maybe the top 30 P5 schools many have smaller fan bases than ours. Money is the big separation index and thats because of P5 tv contracts nothing more.

I'm talking about the AAC overall you dumba$$. We've got the biggest AAC fan base and it is dwarfed by P5 big fanbase programs. FFS, middling NCSU draws more than we do. They have a much deeper booster program too. Pull your head out of your a$$.

Ever wonder why they have those tv contracts? it's because they have A CRAPLOAD more fans overall. They have more boosters, pricier tickets, etc, etc....

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hood, we usually see eye-to-eye.....not this time....

look at schools and what they were when there were only major networks transmitting through the air waves....

now, look at what has happened since the advent of cable and the espenis....

the landscape was always about the BIGs.....that's why the ad dollars have driven the market to it's current position....some of the once 'unknown smalls' made moves to piggy-back off their success.....

unfortunately, neither ecu, nor southern miss figured that part of the equation out....va tech and fsu did.....

it's too late for us now pal....zero clout....

wait until '19 when the contracts begin to expire as schools/networks begin to develop other delivery mechanism....that's gonna be the last battle of realignment....

(05-04-2017 08:17 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 06:54 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 08:41 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 12:45 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

pretty much... and I'm an ECU fan. the notion that the P5 give a damn is laughable. the notion that P6 is primarily about legislation is even dumber. It's about money and large fanbases. We don't have it in comparison to the P5.

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You are an ECU fan and you don't think we have a large fan base? Apart from maybe the top 30 P5 schools many have smaller fan bases than ours. Money is the big separation index and thats because of P5 tv contracts nothing more.

I'm talking about the AAC overall you dumba$$. We've got the biggest AAC fan base and it is dwarfed by P5 big fanbase programs. FFS, middling NCSU draws more than we do. They have a much deeper booster program too. Pull your head out of your a$$.

Ever wonder why they have those tv contracts? it's because they have A CRAPLOAD more fans overall. They have more boosters, pricier tickets, etc, etc....

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hood, we usually see eye-to-eye.....not this time....

look at schools and what they were when there were only major networks transmitting through the air waves....

now, look at what has happened since the advent of cable and the espenis....

the landscape was always about the BIGs.....that's why the ad dollars have driven the market to it's current position....some of the once 'unknown smalls' made moves to piggy-back off their success.....

unfortunately, neither ecu, nor southern miss figured that part of the equation out....va tech and fsu did.....

it's too late for us now pal....zero clout....

wait until '19 when the contracts begin to expire as schools/networks begin to develop other delivery mechanism....that's gonna be the last battle of realignment....

I think we agree more than we disagree here. VT and FSU partially DID figure that out because of their fanbases. VT got somewhat lucky. FSU (and UL for example) worked their asses off to build what they have. Most of the P5 schools are logical members based on their historical support and what not. Schools like ECU and USM were always going to be ****** regardless of what we did. Success on the field and in the stands were never enough to overcome so much competition surrounding us for the support and outside perceptions. VT didn't have that problem in VA.

I agree that we're both ******. I wouldn't mind being in a league together again where USM (and Memphis) is the westernmost member. I'd give Tulane, Tulsa and SMU the boot tomorrow if I could. ZERO interest to me.

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college...ng-partner

An article supporting the idea that Oklahoma and Texas will leave the B12 and at that point the B12 may add a few AAC members (SMU?) but it will still not be a "power conference" then. Basically says that by 2024 we're looking at a P4 and G6. I'm starting to think that at that point we may see the P4 split away into their own legit division. That would suck, but with the B12 becoming part of the G6 there would still be enough history, sizable fan bases and name recognition spread throughout the division to make it pretty interesting and still have some general interest, unlike FCS.

(05-04-2017 08:28 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 08:17 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 06:54 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 08:41 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  pretty much... and I'm an ECU fan. the notion that the P5 give a damn is laughable. the notion that P6 is primarily about legislation is even dumber. It's about money and large fanbases. We don't have it in comparison to the P5.

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

You are an ECU fan and you don't think we have a large fan base? Apart from maybe the top 30 P5 schools many have smaller fan bases than ours. Money is the big separation index and thats because of P5 tv contracts nothing more.

I'm talking about the AAC overall you dumba$$. We've got the biggest AAC fan base and it is dwarfed by P5 big fanbase programs. FFS, middling NCSU draws more than we do. They have a much deeper booster program too. Pull your head out of your a$$.

Ever wonder why they have those tv contracts? it's because they have A CRAPLOAD more fans overall. They have more boosters, pricier tickets, etc, etc....

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

hood, we usually see eye-to-eye.....not this time....

look at schools and what they were when there were only major networks transmitting through the air waves....

now, look at what has happened since the advent of cable and the espenis....

the landscape was always about the BIGs.....that's why the ad dollars have driven the market to it's current position....some of the once 'unknown smalls' made moves to piggy-back off their success.....

unfortunately, neither ecu, nor southern miss figured that part of the equation out....va tech and fsu did.....

it's too late for us now pal....zero clout....

wait until '19 when the contracts begin to expire as schools/networks begin to develop other delivery mechanism....that's gonna be the last battle of realignment....

I think we agree more than we disagree here. VT and FSU partially DID figure that out because of their fanbases. VT got somewhat lucky. FSU (and UL for example) worked their asses off to build what they have. Most of the P5 schools are logical members based on their historical support and what not. Schools like ECU and USM were always going to be ****** regardless of what we did. Success on the field and in the stands were never enough to overcome so much competition surrounding us for the support and outside perceptions. VT didn't have that problem in VA.

I agree that we're both ******. I wouldn't mind being in a league together again where USM (and Memphis) is the westernmost member. I'd give Tulane, Tulsa and SMU the boot tomorrow if I could. ZERO interest to me.

I see a major shake-up in a few years where the flagship schools form their NoFunLeague development conference (I'm thinking somewhere around 36-48 schools)

if that happens, then your scenario is plausible....hell, even UL may have to eat crow...

regardless, I believe most southern miss fans would love to take a bite out of ol' peg-leg

(05-02-2017 09:23 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Dear Santa,
What I really, really want for Christmas this year is for the AAC to be a real and not a pretend Power conference. I promise to be good and get on my knees to all the P5 schools and beg for membership even though they could care less about what I want. I promise to sew "P6" on all of our conference player's jock straps to show our devotion and genital worship of the P5 conferences. I promise to be obedient to all the P5 schools. I promise to even have our schools lose to all the P5 schools when we play them so they will know we are willing to sell out our pride to be a part of the "cool crowd".

So Santa, please bring the AAC power conference membership and I will have a hooker waiting for you when you come out of the chimney.

Thanks Santa,
Pretend P6 Member

yet here you are sitting around talking about the AAC during the dead period...THAT is the point.

(05-04-2017 10:10 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 09:23 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Dear Santa,
What I really, really want for Christmas this year is for the AAC to be a real and not a pretend Power conference. I promise to be good and get on my knees to all the P5 schools and beg for membership even though they could care less about what I want. I promise to sew "P6" on all of our conference player's jock straps to show our devotion and genital worship of the P5 conferences. I promise to be obedient to all the P5 schools. I promise to even have our schools lose to all the P5 schools when we play them so they will know we are willing to sell out our pride to be a part of the "cool crowd".

So Santa, please bring the AAC power conference membership and I will have a hooker waiting for you when you come out of the chimney.

Thanks Santa,
Pretend P6 Member

yet here you are sitting around talking about the AAC during the dead period...THAT is the point.

And...Why are you over here?

(05-04-2017 10:10 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 09:23 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Dear Santa,
What I really, really want for Christmas this year is for the AAC to be a real and not a pretend Power conference. I promise to be good and get on my knees to all the P5 schools and beg for membership even though they could care less about what I want. I promise to sew "P6" on all of our conference player's jock straps to show our devotion and genital worship of the P5 conferences. I promise to be obedient to all the P5 schools. I promise to even have our schools lose to all the P5 schools when we play them so they will know we are willing to sell out our pride to be a part of the "cool crowd".

So Santa, please bring the AAC power conference membership and I will have a hooker waiting for you when you come out of the chimney.

Thanks Santa,
Pretend P6 Member

yet here you are sitting around talking about the AAC during the dead period...THAT is the point.

And...Why are you over here?

(05-04-2017 06:54 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 08:41 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 12:45 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 09:26 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  AAC is lucky to have Aresco. Aresco has good marketing sense. This is all about perception. He is on right track to change legislative process to allow AAC to become an official P6. It might just happen.

pretty much... and I'm an ECU fan. the notion that the P5 give a damn is laughable. the notion that P6 is primarily about legislation is even dumber. It's about money and large fanbases. We don't have it in comparison to the P5.

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

You are an ECU fan and you don't think we have a large fan base? Apart from maybe the top 30 P5 schools many have smaller fan bases than ours. Money is the big separation index and thats because of P5 tv contracts nothing more.

I'm talking about the AAC overall you dumba$$. We've got the biggest AAC fan base and it is dwarfed by P5 big fanbase programs. FFS, middling NCSU draws more than we do. They have a much deeper booster program too. Pull your head out of your a$$.

Ever wonder why they have those tv contracts? it's because they have A CRAPLOAD more fans overall. They have more boosters, pricier tickets, etc, etc....

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Ha ha, wow all that passion and your still off base. Lots of P5 programs have smaller fan bases than ECU or Southern Miss. this is about a few P5 programs pulling weight for other P5 programs.
But please do continue with your mad man rants. I love internet tough guys.

(05-04-2017 10:26 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:10 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 09:23 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Dear Santa,
What I really, really want for Christmas this year is for the AAC to be a real and not a pretend Power conference. I promise to be good and get on my knees to all the P5 schools and beg for membership even though they could care less about what I want. I promise to sew "P6" on all of our conference player's jock straps to show our devotion and genital worship of the P5 conferences. I promise to be obedient to all the P5 schools. I promise to even have our schools lose to all the P5 schools when we play them so they will know we are willing to sell out our pride to be a part of the "cool crowd".

So Santa, please bring the AAC power conference membership and I will have a hooker waiting for you when you come out of the chimney.

Thanks Santa,
Pretend P6 Member

yet here you are sitting around talking about the AAC during the dead period...THAT is the point.

And...Why are you over here?

because you're talking about my conference and there is nothing that says I can't post here.

if you talk about the AAC don't act all offended when AAC fans show up.

(05-04-2017 10:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 06:54 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 08:41 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 12:45 PM)MU ATO Wrote:  

pretty much... and I'm an ECU fan. the notion that the P5 give a damn is laughable. the notion that P6 is primarily about legislation is even dumber. It's about money and large fanbases. We don't have it in comparison to the P5.

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

You are an ECU fan and you don't think we have a large fan base? Apart from maybe the top 30 P5 schools many have smaller fan bases than ours. Money is the big separation index and thats because of P5 tv contracts nothing more.

I'm talking about the AAC overall you dumba$$. We've got the biggest AAC fan base and it is dwarfed by P5 big fanbase programs. FFS, middling NCSU draws more than we do. They have a much deeper booster program too. Pull your head out of your a$$.

Ever wonder why they have those tv contracts? it's because they have A CRAPLOAD more fans overall. They have more boosters, pricier tickets, etc, etc....

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

Ha ha, wow all that passion and your still off base. Lots of P5 programs have smaller fan bases than ECU or Southern Miss. this is about a few P5 programs pulling weight for other P5 programs.
But please do continue with your mad man rants. I love internet tough guys.

Would you kindly educate us all and post the list of "lots of P5 programs" that have smaller fanbases than ECU?

(05-04-2017 10:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 06:54 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  I'm talking about the AAC overall you dumba$$. We've got the biggest AAC fan base and it is dwarfed by P5 big fanbase programs. FFS, middling NCSU draws more than we do. They have a much deeper booster program too. Pull your head out of your a$$.

Ever wonder why they have those tv contracts? it's because they have A CRAPLOAD more fans overall. They have more boosters, pricier tickets, etc, etc....

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

Ha ha, wow all that passion and your still off base. Lots of P5 programs have smaller fan bases than ECU or Southern Miss. this is about a few P5 programs pulling weight for other P5 programs.
But please do continue with your mad man rants. I love internet tough guys.

Sure "lots" do... but MOST DO NOT. That's why I referred to the AAC as "overall" and compared ECU to the P5's "big fanbase" programs. FFS, look at the average attendance numbers. We're like #40 overall and we're #1 in the AAC. That's why the AAC will never have the revenue that the P5 has... the numbers aren't there to generate it. What the heck is so hard to understand about that?

(05-04-2017 10:39 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:26 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:10 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-02-2017 09:23 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Dear Santa,
What I really, really want for Christmas this year is for the AAC to be a real and not a pretend Power conference. I promise to be good and get on my knees to all the P5 schools and beg for membership even though they could care less about what I want. I promise to sew "P6" on all of our conference player's jock straps to show our devotion and genital worship of the P5 conferences. I promise to be obedient to all the P5 schools. I promise to even have our schools lose to all the P5 schools when we play them so they will know we are willing to sell out our pride to be a part of the "cool crowd".

So Santa, please bring the AAC power conference membership and I will have a hooker waiting for you when you come out of the chimney.

Thanks Santa,
Pretend P6 Member

yet here you are sitting around talking about the AAC during the dead period...THAT is the point.

And...Why are you over here?

because you're talking about my conference and there is nothing that says I can't post here.

if you talk about the AAC don't act all offended when AAC fans show up.

not yet....

you're easily the worst of the worst that represents MEM....there are soooooo many other classy MEM posters that have to cringe when your fingers hit keypad....

how they let you back in is beyond me....

(05-03-2017 08:28 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 02:41 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  At least the AAC is trying. What exactly are we doing to improve our conference?

I think each school winning OOC will be the starting point....

so instead of looking at the conference we should be looking at our schools to do just that on the field. Then if the conference fails. We can complain about it. But it's always easier pointing the finger at anyone but our self as the reason for failure

Oh I agree 100%. Trust me, I am hated among UTEP fans because I always demand more from my university than most fans.

There is plenty of blame to go around however.

(05-04-2017 10:50 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Would you kindly educate us all and post the list of "lots of P5 programs" that have smaller fanbases than ECU?

It's basically Wake Forest and a handful of other privates. Duke also but they're a completely different animal where it really matter$$$$. Attendance at games isn't everything despite what my fellow ECU fans think. For example, a school like Washington State has a decent sized fanbase but there's nowhere to work anywhere near the campus. I'd be willing to bet that their booster club dwarfs ECU's.

Take the P5's and subtract subsidies + TV contracts (do the same for G5') and that tells you what they're generating organically through boosters and ticket sales. Even the lowest revenue generators are doing better than we are.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

Iowa State for example generates ~$50 million w/o TV or subsidies.
Washington State generates ~$40 million w/o """"
ECU generates ~$30M w/o """".

That's basically all you need to know.

(05-04-2017 10:50 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 06:54 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 08:41 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  pretty much... and I'm an ECU fan. the notion that the P5 give a damn is laughable. the notion that P6 is primarily about legislation is even dumber. It's about money and large fanbases. We don't have it in comparison to the P5.

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You are an ECU fan and you don't think we have a large fan base? Apart from maybe the top 30 P5 schools many have smaller fan bases than ours. Money is the big separation index and thats because of P5 tv contracts nothing more.

I'm talking about the AAC overall you dumba$$. We've got the biggest AAC fan base and it is dwarfed by P5 big fanbase programs. FFS, middling NCSU draws more than we do. They have a much deeper booster program too. Pull your head out of your a$$.

Ever wonder why they have those tv contracts? it's because they have A CRAPLOAD more fans overall. They have more boosters, pricier tickets, etc, etc....

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Ha ha, wow all that passion and your still off base. Lots of P5 programs have smaller fan bases than ECU or Southern Miss. this is about a few P5 programs pulling weight for other P5 programs.
But please do continue with your mad man rants. I love internet tough guys.

Would you kindly educate us all and post the list of "lots of P5 programs" that have smaller fanbases than ECU?

(05-04-2017 10:50 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 06:54 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-03-2017 08:41 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  pretty much... and I'm an ECU fan. the notion that the P5 give a damn is laughable. the notion that P6 is primarily about legislation is even dumber. It's about money and large fanbases. We don't have it in comparison to the P5.

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

You are an ECU fan and you don't think we have a large fan base? Apart from maybe the top 30 P5 schools many have smaller fan bases than ours. Money is the big separation index and thats because of P5 tv contracts nothing more.

I'm talking about the AAC overall you dumba$$. We've got the biggest AAC fan base and it is dwarfed by P5 big fanbase programs. FFS, middling NCSU draws more than we do. They have a much deeper booster program too. Pull your head out of your a$$.

Ever wonder why they have those tv contracts? it's because they have A CRAPLOAD more fans overall. They have more boosters, pricier tickets, etc, etc....

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

Ha ha, wow all that passion and your still off base. Lots of P5 programs have smaller fan bases than ECU or Southern Miss. this is about a few P5 programs pulling weight for other P5 programs.
But please do continue with your mad man rants. I love internet tough guys.

Would you kindly educate us all and post the list of "lots of P5 programs" that have smaller fanbases than ECU?

Minnesota
Indiana
Virginia
Maryland
Oregon State
Northwestern
Purdue
Syracuse
Boston College
Washington State
Vanderbilt
Duke
Wake Forest
Kansas

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...ight-year/

(05-04-2017 12:20 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:50 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 06:54 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 04:39 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  You are an ECU fan and you don't think we have a large fan base? Apart from maybe the top 30 P5 schools many have smaller fan bases than ours. Money is the big separation index and thats because of P5 tv contracts nothing more.

I'm talking about the AAC overall you dumba$$. We've got the biggest AAC fan base and it is dwarfed by P5 big fanbase programs. FFS, middling NCSU draws more than we do. They have a much deeper booster program too. Pull your head out of your a$$.

Ever wonder why they have those tv contracts? it's because they have A CRAPLOAD more fans overall. They have more boosters, pricier tickets, etc, etc....

Sent from my SM-J700T using CSNbbs mobile app

Ha ha, wow all that passion and your still off base. Lots of P5 programs have smaller fan bases than ECU or Southern Miss. this is about a few P5 programs pulling weight for other P5 programs.
But please do continue with your mad man rants. I love internet tough guys.

Would you kindly educate us all and post the list of "lots of P5 programs" that have smaller fanbases than ECU?

Minnesota
Indiana
Virginia
Maryland
Oregon State
Northwestern
Purdue
Syracuse
Boston College
Washington State
Vanderbilt
Duke
Wake Forest
Kansas

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...ight-year/

As someone else pointed out, football attendance is not the end all be all of support. ECU has impressive FB attendance but to say they have a bigger fanbase than UVA is just not being real.

(05-04-2017 12:20 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(05-04-2017 10:50 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Would you kindly educate us all and post the list of "lots of P5 programs" that have smaller fanbases than ECU?

Minnesota
Indiana
Virginia
Maryland
Oregon State
Northwestern
Purdue
Syracuse
Boston College
Washington State
Vanderbilt
Duke
Wake Forest
Kansas

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...ight-year/

Virginia had over $12mil in ticket sales in 2015 and $27mil in contributions.

ECU had $7mil in ticket sales and $14mil in contributions.

Hard to argue they have a bigger base when they collect just a little over half of what UVA does in tickets and donations. I am guessing that Cuse, Indiana, Kansas and Minnesota would compare favorably as well.