So they are going to go with their own individual payment from the CFP and the other four get to be the Group of Four, splitting up what was previously the Group of Five payment?
Sure, go for it. More money for the rest of us.
I actually do think the other G4 Commish should jump on this with the CFP. Get them to say if they no longer are part of the G5, every team should be treated like independents in payments with the remainder going back to the G4 conference and bonuses. Have them have to qualify for top 4 like the independents. Either they are G5 or they are not. At the moment, according to their logo they refuse to identify with G5, so they should refuse what the CFP provides the G5 conferences. Turn this into a PR fiasco for the AAC. Especailly, if the AAC does not make it to Access Bowls in 2017. Sorry UCF was a BCS Auto Bid. The clock started three years ago. 2014-5 MWC, 2015 -16 AAC and 2016-17 MAC. If AAC does not make it this year, it would be 1 out of 4. Granted I am hoping for CUSA or SB this year for it to be four different conferences in four years.
I will give Aresco credit, if the other G5 will let the AAC push the message, more power to them. Really surprised MAC and MWC have not come out challenging them. These commish's are letting down their respected conferences.
(05-03-2017 05:00 PM)nzmorange Wrote: Power Conference = conference's w/ high media payouts
The AAC is correct in that there are 6 of them. But the AAC isn't one. The 6 are:
1. SEC
2. Big Ten
3. ACC
4. PAC 12
5. Big XII
6. ???
FIFY ^^^
The NEWbigeast does NOT have football
Look at it this way... Is like purchasing a vehicle with no engine in it.
Here's how I see it, if the Nbigeast wants view themselves as a power conference than man up with football but even if they did, they'll be a league full of startups... Not gonna happen, well, not in this life time at least.
(05-04-2017 09:50 AM)msm96wolf Wrote: I will give Aresco credit, if the other G5 will let the AAC push the message, more power to them. Really surprised MAC and MWC have not come out challenging them. These commish's are letting down their respected conferences.
Actually, I think it makes more sense for the MAC, MWC et. al to simply keep quiet. It looks petty for them to respond. Instead, they can just let the broader media take their potshots at the AAC.
I understand why Aresco is trying to push this branding campaign (because fans tend to like bluster for the sake of bluster), but I don't think it's effective. It's the equivalent of just declaring yourself to be the fifth member of The Beatles or the 9th member of the Ivy League. No one believes it and excessive puffery ends up making the puffer actually look smaller. Whether the marketplace values the AAC or any other conference of being able to have an auto-NY6 bowl bid and a power-level TV contract is the only thing that matters in this game. The truly powerful never SAY that they have power (as that's actually a sign of weakness). Instead, they simply EXERCISE that power. Actions mean more than words.
(05-04-2017 09:50 AM)msm96wolf Wrote: I will give Aresco credit, if the other G5 will let the AAC push the message, more power to them. Really surprised MAC and MWC have not come out challenging them. These commish's are letting down their respected conferences.
Actually, I think it makes more sense for the MAC, MWC et. al to simply keep quiet. It looks petty for them to respond. Instead, they can just let the broader media take their potshots at the AAC.
I understand why Aresco is trying to push this branding campaign (because fans tend to like bluster for the sake of bluster), but I don't think it's effective. It's the equivalent of just declaring yourself to be the fifth member of The Beatles or the 9th member of the Ivy League. No one believes it and excessive puffery ends up making the puffer actually look smaller. Whether the marketplace values the AAC or any other conference of being able to have an auto-NY6 bowl bid and a power-level TV contract is the only thing that matters in this game. The truly powerful never SAY that they have power (as that's actually a sign of weakness). Instead, they simply EXERCISE that power. Actions mean more than words.
(05-03-2017 05:00 PM)nzmorange Wrote: Power Conference = conference's w/ high media payouts
The AAC is correct in that there are 6 of them. But the AAC isn't one. The 6 are:
1. SEC
2. Big Ten
3. ACC
4. PAC 12
5. Big XII
6. ???
FIFY ^^^
The NEWbigeast does NOT have football
Look at it this way... Is like purchasing a vehicle with no engine in it.
Here's how I see it, if the Nbigeast wants view themselves as a power conference than man up with football but even if they did, they'll be a league full of startups... Not gonna happen, well, not in this life time at least.
The Big East makes more TV money for just basketball than the G5 leagues do for both football and basketball. I personally think that makes them smart as opposed to some amorphous "man up" macho crap being propagated by the G5 conferences. Once again, the Big East make more TV money than the G5... and that's basically the only scoreboard that matters in conference realignment. It would be more fruitful if the G5 leagues would quit whining about it and/or pretend that they're more powerful simply because that they have football and figure out WHY the Big East is valued more in the marketplace for just basketball when the G5 teams are hemorrhaging trying to compete in FBS football.
The Big East found a valuable niche and they maximized their value in such niche with consistent branding and institutional fit, whereas the G5 leagues are hodgepodge leagues that are still deluding themselves in believing that they can ever achieve power status. There might very well be a handful of individual G5 *schools* that have a legitimate shot of moving up to power status, but people need to quit pretending that there will EVER be a thing known as the "Power 6" or "Power 7" or anything more than the current Power 5. A power conference (such as the Big 12) is more likely to be wiped out than a G5 conference ever getting elevated.
(05-04-2017 09:50 AM)msm96wolf Wrote: I will give Aresco credit, if the other G5 will let the AAC push the message, more power to them. Really surprised MAC and MWC have not come out challenging them. These commish's are letting down their respected conferences.
Actually, I think it makes more sense for the MAC, MWC et. al to simply keep quiet. It looks petty for them to respond. Instead, they can just let the broader media take their potshots at the AAC.
I understand why Aresco is trying to push this branding campaign (because fans tend to like bluster for the sake of bluster), but I don't think it's effective. It's the equivalent of just declaring yourself to be the fifth member of The Beatles or the 9th member of the Ivy League. No one believes it and excessive puffery ends up making the puffer actually look smaller. Whether the marketplace values the AAC or any other conference of being able to have an auto-NY6 bowl bid and a power-level TV contract is the only thing that matters in this game. The truly powerful never SAY that they have power (as that's actually a sign of weakness). Instead, they simply EXERCISE that power. Actions mean more than words.
The awful power schools say power all the time.
There are 20 real power football schools. There are 5 highly paid conferences.
The rest is just bullshite. So pick one of these 20 schools, kiss espns arse and know your role.
(05-04-2017 07:22 AM)TopperCard Wrote: There are two things that separate the "Power" conferences from everyone else.
1. A ridiculous media contract
2. A NY6 bowl tie-in
The AAC has neither, therefore, they fall in the "everyone else" category.
Sure, they can declare themselves "P6", they're the 6th best conference IMO. I guess the MWC can declare themselves "P7", and maybe C-USA can declare themselves "P8". I mean, there's only 10 FBS conferences. Heck, the Sun Belt should go all in with a "P10" campaign, helmet stickers and all!
actually it is more than that
the P5 conferences get 2 votes each on NCAA matters the rest get 1
the P5 conferences get $50 million per year per conference for the playoffs even existing while the others get a great deal less (not even $50 between the 5)
the playoff payout is in addition to the payouts for NY6 bowl games
the playoff payouts come every year while the NY6 payouts are every 2 out of 3 years in addition to the $50 million
(05-04-2017 09:50 AM)msm96wolf Wrote: I will give Aresco credit, if the other G5 will let the AAC push the message, more power to them. Really surprised MAC and MWC have not come out challenging them. These commish's are letting down their respected conferences.
Actually, I think it makes more sense for the MAC, MWC et. al to simply keep quiet. It looks petty for them to respond. Instead, they can just let the broader media take their potshots at the AAC.
I understand why Aresco is trying to push this branding campaign (because fans tend to like bluster for the sake of bluster), but I don't think it's effective. It's the equivalent of just declaring yourself to be the fifth member of The Beatles or the 9th member of the Ivy League. No one believes it and excessive puffery ends up making the puffer actually look smaller. Whether the marketplace values the AAC or any other conference of being able to have an auto-NY6 bowl bid and a power-level TV contract is the only thing that matters in this game. The truly powerful never SAY that they have power (as that's actually a sign of weakness). Instead, they simply EXERCISE that power. Actions mean more than words.
(05-03-2017 05:00 PM)nzmorange Wrote: Power Conference = conference's w/ high media payouts
The AAC is correct in that there are 6 of them. But the AAC isn't one. The 6 are:
1. SEC
2. Big Ten
3. ACC
4. PAC 12
5. Big XII
6. ???
FIFY ^^^
The NEWbigeast does NOT have football
Look at it this way... Is like purchasing a vehicle with no engine in it.
Here's how I see it, if the Nbigeast wants view themselves as a power conference than man up with football but even if they did, they'll be a league full of startups... Not gonna happen, well, not in this life time at least.
The Big East makes more TV money for just basketball than the G5 leagues do for both football and basketball. I personally think that makes them smart as opposed to some amorphous "man up" macho crap being propagated by the G5 conferences. Once again, the Big East make more TV money than the G5... and that's basically the only scoreboard that matters in conference realignment. It would be more fruitful if the G5 leagues would quit whining about it and/or pretend that they're more powerful simply because that they have football and figure out WHY the Big East is valued more in the marketplace for just basketball when the G5 teams are hemorrhaging trying to compete in FBS football.
The Big East found a valuable niche and they maximized their value in such niche with consistent branding and institutional fit, whereas the G5 leagues are hodgepodge leagues that are still deluding themselves in believing that they can ever achieve power status. There might very well be a handful of individual G5 *schools* that have a legitimate shot of moving up to power status, but people need to quit pretending that there will EVER be a thing known as the "Power 6" or "Power 7" or anything more than the current Power 5. A power conference (such as the Big 12) is more likely to be wiped out than a G5 conference ever getting elevated.
Like I mentioned above... The NEWbigeast doesn't have football.
As many ways as you love to skin/defend this cat (NEWbigeast), football is far more important to any true power league.
The campaign could become effective, if the AAC schools actually perform. Walk the talk.
- Top-10 team that plays in the NY6
- 3 top-25 teams
- multiple good wins over P5 opponents
- multiple games with quality TV ratings
- multiple bids to the NCAA tournament
(05-03-2017 05:00 PM)nzmorange Wrote: Power Conference = conference's w/ high media payouts
The AAC is correct in that there are 6 of them. But the AAC isn't one. The 6 are:
1. SEC
2. Big Ten
3. ACC
4. PAC 12
5. Big XII
6. ???
FIFY ^^^
The NEWbigeast does NOT have football
Look at it this way... Is like purchasing a vehicle with no engine in it.
Here's how I see it, if the Nbigeast wants view themselves as a power conference than man up with football but even if they did, they'll be a league full of startups... Not gonna happen, well, not in this life time at least.
The Big East makes more TV money for just basketball than the G5 leagues do for both football and basketball. I personally think that makes them smart as opposed to some amorphous "man up" macho crap being propagated by the G5 conferences. Once again, the Big East make more TV money than the G5... and that's basically the only scoreboard that matters in conference realignment. It would be more fruitful if the G5 leagues would quit whining about it and/or pretend that they're more powerful simply because that they have football and figure out WHY the Big East is valued more in the marketplace for just basketball when the G5 teams are hemorrhaging trying to compete in FBS football.
The Big East found a valuable niche and they maximized their value in such niche with consistent branding and institutional fit, whereas the G5 leagues are hodgepodge leagues that are still deluding themselves in believing that they can ever achieve power status. There might very well be a handful of individual G5 *schools* that have a legitimate shot of moving up to power status, but people need to quit pretending that there will EVER be a thing known as the "Power 6" or "Power 7" or anything more than the current Power 5. A power conference (such as the Big 12) is more likely to be wiped out than a G5 conference ever getting elevated.
Except the criteria he stated was conferences that have high TV contracts. The nBE has less than a quarter of the TV contract of the lowest P5. They can't realistically be in that discussion.
(This post was last modified: 05-04-2017 11:10 AM by stxrunner.)
(05-03-2017 05:00 PM)nzmorange Wrote: Power Conference = conference's w/ high media payouts
The AAC is correct in that there are 6 of them. But the AAC isn't one. The 6 are:
1. SEC
2. Big Ten
3. ACC
4. PAC 12
5. Big XII
6. ???
FIFY ^^^
The NEWbigeast does NOT have football
Look at it this way... Is like purchasing a vehicle with no engine in it.
Here's how I see it, if the Nbigeast wants view themselves as a power conference than man up with football but even if they did, they'll be a league full of startups... Not gonna happen, well, not in this life time at least.
The Big East makes more TV money for just basketball than the G5 leagues do for both football and basketball. I personally think that makes them smart as opposed to some amorphous "man up" macho crap being propagated by the G5 conferences. Once again, the Big East make more TV money than the G5... and that's basically the only scoreboard that matters in conference realignment. It would be more fruitful if the G5 leagues would quit whining about it and/or pretend that they're more powerful simply because that they have football and figure out WHY the Big East is valued more in the marketplace for just basketball when the G5 teams are hemorrhaging trying to compete in FBS football.
The Big East found a valuable niche and they maximized their value in such niche with consistent branding and institutional fit, whereas the G5 leagues are hodgepodge leagues that are still deluding themselves in believing that they can ever achieve power status. There might very well be a handful of individual G5 *schools* that have a legitimate shot of moving up to power status, but people need to quit pretending that there will EVER be a thing known as the "Power 6" or "Power 7" or anything more than the current Power 5. A power conference (such as the Big 12) is more likely to be wiped out than a G5 conference ever getting elevated.
Except the criteria he stated was conferences that have high TV contracts. The nBE has less than a quarter of the TV contract of the lowest P5. They can't realistically be in that discussion.
He knew exactly what I meant... Guess he felt the need to tone the AAC down.
(05-04-2017 07:22 AM)TopperCard Wrote: There are two things that separate the "Power" conferences from everyone else.
1. A ridiculous media contract
2. A NY6 bowl tie-in
The AAC has neither, therefore, they fall in the "everyone else" category.
Sure, they can declare themselves "P6", they're the 6th best conference IMO. I guess the MWC can declare themselves "P7", and maybe C-USA can declare themselves "P8". I mean, there's only 10 FBS conferences. Heck, the Sun Belt should go all in with a "P10" campaign, helmet stickers and all!
There are two things that define the P5, but your No. 1 isn't one of them. The second (maybe I should say the first) thing is that the NCAA Division I Board of Directors granted those specific five conferences to be autonomous, and the entire D-I membership failed to produce the 75 votes needed to overturn that dictate.
It is true that those 5 conferences have much larger media contracts than anyone else. But they aren't P5 because they have those contracts. They have the contracts because they have actual power, regardless of some artificial media shorthand title.
(05-04-2017 07:22 AM)TopperCard Wrote: There are two things that separate the "Power" conferences from everyone else.
1. A ridiculous media contract
2. A NY6 bowl tie-in
The AAC has neither, therefore, they fall in the "everyone else" category.
Sure, they can declare themselves "P6", they're the 6th best conference IMO. I guess the MWC can declare themselves "P7", and maybe C-USA can declare themselves "P8". I mean, there's only 10 FBS conferences. Heck, the Sun Belt should go all in with a "P10" campaign, helmet stickers and all!
There are two things that define the P5, but your No. 1 isn't one of them. The second (maybe I should say the first) thing is that the NCAA Division I Board of Directors granted those specific five conferences to be autonomous, and the entire D-I membership failed to produce the 75 votes needed to overturn that dictate.
It is true that those 5 conferences have much larger media contracts than anyone else. But they aren't P5 because they have those contracts. They have the contracts because they have actual power, regardless of some artificial media shorthand title.
Actually, the G5 was created first. Power 5 became the yin to the yang. Highest rated G5 champion since these schools don't have a MAJOR bowl tie-in. Thus the P5 main criteria is having a tie-in into the Rose, Sugar or Orange. If you recall, the old Big East did have tie-ins with the Orange ACC vs Big East. Thus why the Old Big East was considered a power conference. Actually instead of huge tv contract it is really was HUGE bowl payouts. The Autonomy came after the CFP contract and P5/G5 designations.
The AAC needs the P5 to *want* them in their club in order for them be considered a power conference. Simply telling the world they now belong to that exclusive club won't sit well with the P5, IMO. What's stopping the P5 by being telling one another, "Stop scheduling AAC teams as OOC games. Only schedule MAC/MWC/C-USA/SBC." Then, the AAC really gets in a bind, because its those types of games that they build up in order to show they belong. Hard to show you are worthy when you are never playing against the competition.
In the end, more teams into the power conference-structure takes away money from them and provides only more mouths to feed. Why would the P5 want to do anything that pushes the narrative of a P6 conference?
I think this will harm the AAC long-term, more than help it. It's not the underdog image it is attaining to be; rather, it's the kid that gets cut from the football team in high school, but still wears the football jersey at the school to show everyone he still belongs.
(This post was last modified: 05-04-2017 01:06 PM by GoldenWarrior11.)
(05-03-2017 05:00 PM)nzmorange Wrote: Power Conference = conference's w/ high media payouts
The AAC is correct in that there are 6 of them. But the AAC isn't one. The 6 are:
1. SEC
2. Big Ten
3. ACC
4. PAC 12
5. Big XII
6. Big East
FIFY ^^^
The NEWbigeast does NOT have football
Look at it this way... Is like purchasing a vehicle with no engine in it.
Here's how I see it, if the Nbigeast wants view themselves as a power conference than man up with football but even if they did, they'll be a league full of startups... Not gonna happen, well, not in this life time at least.
The Big East makes more TV money for just basketball than the G5 leagues do for both football and basketball. I personally think that makes them smart as opposed to some amorphous "man up" macho crap being propagated by the G5 conferences. Once again, the Big East make more TV money than the G5... and that's basically the only scoreboard that matters in conference realignment. It would be more fruitful if the G5 leagues would quit whining about it and/or pretend that they're more powerful simply because that they have football and figure out WHY the Big East is valued more in the marketplace for just basketball when the G5 teams are hemorrhaging trying to compete in FBS football.
The Big East found a valuable niche and they maximized their value in such niche with consistent branding and institutional fit, whereas the G5 leagues are hodgepodge leagues that are still deluding themselves in believing that they can ever achieve power status. There might very well be a handful of individual G5 *schools* that have a legitimate shot of moving up to power status, but people need to quit pretending that there will EVER be a thing known as the "Power 6" or "Power 7" or anything more than the current Power 5. A power conference (such as the Big 12) is more likely to be wiped out than a G5 conference ever getting elevated.
Like I mentioned above... The NEWbigeast doesn't have football.
As many ways as you love to skin/defend this cat (NEWbigeast), football is far more important to any true power league.
^^corrected your mistake
No. Money is what makes a conference s power conference.
The Big East makes a ton of money. Therefore they're a power conference. If the AAC made 20-30 million a year, they'd be a power conference, too.
Big East BB probably makes more TV money than any other conference.
(05-03-2017 05:00 PM)nzmorange Wrote: Power Conference = conference's w/ high media payouts
The AAC is correct in that there are 6 of them. But the AAC isn't one. The 6 are:
1. SEC
2. Big Ten
3. ACC
4. PAC 12
5. Big XII
6. Big East
FIFY ^^^
The NEWbigeast does NOT have football
Look at it this way... Is like purchasing a vehicle with no engine in it.
Here's how I see it, if the Nbigeast wants view themselves as a power conference than man up with football but even if they did, they'll be a league full of startups... Not gonna happen, well, not in this life time at least.
The Big East makes more TV money for just basketball than the G5 leagues do for both football and basketball. I personally think that makes them smart as opposed to some amorphous "man up" macho crap being propagated by the G5 conferences. Once again, the Big East make more TV money than the G5... and that's basically the only scoreboard that matters in conference realignment. It would be more fruitful if the G5 leagues would quit whining about it and/or pretend that they're more powerful simply because that they have football and figure out WHY the Big East is valued more in the marketplace for just basketball when the G5 teams are hemorrhaging trying to compete in FBS football.
The Big East found a valuable niche and they maximized their value in such niche with consistent branding and institutional fit, whereas the G5 leagues are hodgepodge leagues that are still deluding themselves in believing that they can ever achieve power status. There might very well be a handful of individual G5 *schools* that have a legitimate shot of moving up to power status, but people need to quit pretending that there will EVER be a thing known as the "Power 6" or "Power 7" or anything more than the current Power 5. A power conference (such as the Big 12) is more likely to be wiped out than a G5 conference ever getting elevated.
Like I mentioned above... The NEWbigeast doesn't have football.
As many ways as you love to skin/defend this cat (NEWbigeast), football is far more important to any true power league.
^^corrected your mistake
No. Money is what makes a conference s power conference.
The Big East makes a ton of money. Therefore they're a power conference. If the AAC made 20-30 million a year, they'd be a power conference, too.
Big East BB probably makes more TV money than any other conference.
The Big East doesn't make anywhere near 20-30 million per year per school. Sure, the $4mm or so per Big East school is better than what the AAC gets, but it isn't anywhere near P5 money. So, calling the Big East a power conference based on money isn't really right.
The term "power conference" technically only applies to football and there are currently only five conferences that play football and have the money. The Big East may have results in basketball that rival (or beat) certain "power" conferences, but I still wouldn't call them a power conference.
AAC basketball may soon catch up to Big East basketball and get comparable money. Both conferences could be two of the better basketball conferences. Neither will still be a power conference.
(This post was last modified: 05-04-2017 02:49 PM by UConnHusky.)
(05-03-2017 05:00 PM)nzmorange Wrote: Power Conference = conference's w/ high media payouts
The AAC is correct in that there are 6 of them. But the AAC isn't one. The 6 are:
1. SEC
2. Big Ten
3. ACC
4. PAC 12
5. Big XII 6. ???
FIFY ^^^
The NEWbigeast does NOT have football
Look at it this way... Is like purchasing a vehicle with no engine in it.
Here's how I see it, if the Nbigeast wants view themselves as a power conference than man up with football but even if they did, they'll be a league full of startups... Not gonna happen, well, not in this life time at least.
The Big East makes more TV money for just basketball than the G5 leagues do for both football and basketball. I personally think that makes them smart as opposed to some amorphous "man up" macho crap being propagated by the G5 conferences. Once again, the Big East make more TV money than the G5... and that's basically the only scoreboard that matters in conference realignment. It would be more fruitful if the G5 leagues would quit whining about it and/or pretend that they're more powerful simply because that they have football and figure out WHY the Big East is valued more in the marketplace for just basketball when the G5 teams are hemorrhaging trying to compete in FBS football.
The Big East found a valuable niche and they maximized their value in such niche with consistent branding and institutional fit, whereas the G5 leagues are hodgepodge leagues that are still deluding themselves in believing that they can ever achieve power status. There might very well be a handful of individual G5 *schools* that have a legitimate shot of moving up to power status, but people need to quit pretending that there will EVER be a thing known as the "Power 6" or "Power 7" or anything more than the current Power 5. A power conference (such as the Big 12) is more likely to be wiped out than a G5 conference ever getting elevated.
Like I mentioned above... The NEWbigeast doesn't have football.
As many ways as you love to skin/defend this cat (NEWbigeast), football is far more important to any true power league.
^^corrected your mistake
No. Money is what makes a conference s power conference.
The Big East makes a ton of money. Therefore they're a power conference. If the AAC made 20-30 million a year, they'd be a power conference, too.
Big East BB probably makes more TV money than any other conference.
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AAC declares it is a "Power 6" conference.
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