(04-23-2017 01:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  A strong EU that respects human rights is in the interest of the United States

The cop that was culturally enriched on Thursday was a gay rights activist. I don't believe I've seen you comment on that story. Imagine that.

(04-23-2017 01:40 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Merkel will be returned in Germany

That's a tough one to predict.

The only reason Ms. Merkel got an approval bounce is because she's viewed as an anti-Brexit and anti-Trump, i.e. it was based on nothing she specifically did. Kind of the same reason Obama got a ripple effect bounce from the presidential election circus show.

I wouldn't be too surprised at an upset loss. Her "no borders" policy that enabled over a million migrants/refugees to flood the country - no vetting whatsoever - in 2015 still weigh on people's minds, not to mention the New Years Eve grope fest a couple years ago. Much like the US 2016, there's probably a rumbling beyond the suburbs and countryside that the polls aren't taking into account.

And Fillion just endorsed Macron. Along with Hamon and Melenchon...that's pretty much everyone.

Some of Melenchon's and Fillon's voters will vote for Le Pen...some will stay home. But most will vote for Macron.

My prediction in the 2nd round...Macron 62 - Le Pen 38.

(04-23-2017 01:57 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 01:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  A strong EU that respects human rights is in the interest of the United States

The cop that was culturally enriched on Thursday was a gay rights activist. I don't believe I've seen you comment on that story. Imagine that.

Gun violence is sadly a fact of life in the USA. And sometimes cops get killed in it.

The officer was a hero, but sadly, if we started talking about every person in this country (much less other countries) killed in gun violence, we'd not have time to discuss anything else.

This was ISIS trying to help out Le Pen.

(04-23-2017 01:57 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 01:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 01:52 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm sorry, why the **** do we care about the French election?

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Because Putin/Erdogan/Orban/Trump/Duterte/Widodo mean rampant nativism and probably some nasty wars.

A strong EU that respects human rights is in the interest of the United States

surely you at least realize who would equipmentally fund the majority of any resulting conflict(s)....

hence, MUH EURO DISSOLVE

naw....we want the USD to reign even more supreme.....

macro economics wasn't your strong suite, eh?

LOL. I understand Macro Economics quite well. And I understand that an increase in instability and wars will result in less spending on other things. Wars help a few people, but will hurt far more.

Dumping a trillion bucks on Eric Prince doesn't help 99.9999999% of Americans.

And what's a strong suite?

Macron, while having the left lean, is more pragmatic and friendlier to free market initiatives than most French socialists. So from that angle, his victory would be palatable.

Although from what I understand, he's a big open-borders guy. Not sure how well that plays with the general public outside the 'haute' urban areas. Much like the Germans, there's a groundswell of people who are begging for better vetting procedures when it comes to rolling out the welcome mat for any wandering migrant.

Unless immigration becomes the issue above all issues in the next 2 weeks, Macron will win.

(04-23-2017 02:14 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 01:57 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 01:55 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 01:52 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm sorry, why the **** do we care about the French election?

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Because Putin/Erdogan/Orban/Trump/Duterte/Widodo mean rampant nativism and probably some nasty wars.

A strong EU that respects human rights is in the interest of the United States

surely you at least realize who would equipmentally fund the majority of any resulting conflict(s)....

hence, MUH EURO DISSOLVE

naw....we want the USD to reign even more supreme.....

macro economics wasn't your strong suite, eh?

LOL. I understand Macro Economics quite well. And I understand that an increase in instability and wars will result in less spending on other things. Wars help a few people, but will hurt far more.

Dumping a trillion bucks on Eric Prince doesn't help 99.9999999% of Americans.

And what's a strong suite?

you're still avoiding the dissolution of the EU and the Euro as a threat....which is my macro point....

duh der da der....hello....

suit(e) - one that believes their suit should always be hung in a suite.....capiche, chancellor?

(04-23-2017 02:19 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Unless immigration becomes the issue above all issues in the next 2 weeks, Macron will win.

Dunno. Fillon the conservative was a close 3rd...just can't see his supporters supporting a Trotskyist.

(04-23-2017 01:49 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 01:45 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 01:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Every other candidate but Fillon has already endorsed Macron. And Fillon's party leadership has already eendorsed Macron.

MUH ENDORSEMENTS

Yea, but 80 percent of French voters voted against Le Pen in round one.

Melenchon is anti-EU, but he's also pro-minority (he was born in Morocco). My guess is that most of his voters will vote for Macron, based upon anti-racism concerns.

Hamon is pro-EU.

Fillon...will endorse Macron. His party already has.

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Will anyone endorse Le Pen?

I recall a very similar statement made about Trump is the primaries.

(04-23-2017 02:29 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 01:49 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 01:45 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 01:32 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Every other candidate but Fillon has already endorsed Macron. And Fillon's party leadership has already eendorsed Macron.

MUH ENDORSEMENTS

Yea, but 80 percent of French voters voted against Le Pen in round one.

Melenchon is anti-EU, but he's also pro-minority (he was born in Morocco). My guess is that most of his voters will vote for Macron, based upon anti-racism concerns.

Hamon is pro-EU.

Fillon...will endorse Macron. His party already has.

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Will anyone endorse Le Pen?

I recall a very similar statement made about Trump is the primaries.

I won 1.4k USD on the donald......sweetest of 'em all....

Macron has 70% of support in the polls for the runoff. Le Pen has 29%.

Trump was always relatively close in national polls, so his victory, though an upset, was far less unexpected than a Le Pen victory would be. Since it is just popular vote that wins in France, I can't imagine Le Pen even comes close to winning the runoff election.

(04-23-2017 02:35 PM)Niner National Wrote:  Macron has 70% of support in the polls for the runoff. Le Pen has 29%.

Trump was always relatively close in national polls, so his victory, though an upset, was far less unexpected than a Le Pen victory would be. Since it is just popular vote that wins in France, I can't imagine Le Pen even comes close to winning the runoff election.

what subsequently follows won't be pretty either way....

She's already shifted the political paradigm. Much like Trump, she'a scored a huge victory by changing the conversation.

There isn't much else to say.

France is not bipartisan, folks... We have to wait...

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(04-23-2017 01:28 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Tough seeing french trump beating french Obama based on 1st round results

not really. she can pull votes from other conservatives. she'll get a few far left out of spite. other than immigration and national security she is actually fairly centrist.

that's the beauty of having multiple more than 2 major parties. Less hardline ideology (ie, the way gay rights / diversity get lumped together with liberal economic policy here in the USA)

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(04-23-2017 01:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Le Pen and Macron in second round

Hamon, Melenchon have already endorsed Macron. Fillon hasn't endorsed yet, but his party leaders have already endorsed Macron.

Next....finish off Le Pen in the second round, and hopefully at SNP/LibDem coalition will emerge in the UK to unseat Ms May and reverse Brexit.

lol, at you thinking an endorsement means much. for people with their own brain they don't amount to a hill of beans. how many big endorsements did Trump get?

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(04-23-2017 01:52 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm sorry, why the **** do we care about the French election?

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plenty of reasons for those with a clue.

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(04-23-2017 02:53 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-23-2017 01:52 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm sorry, why the **** do we care about the French election?

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plenty of reasons for those with a clue.

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He asked why we cares about the Dutch elections. He's asking why we care about the French elections. He says everyone sucks in 2016.

He doesn't seem to be particularly informed about anything.

(04-23-2017 01:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  hopefully at SNP/LibDem coalition will emerge in the UK to unseat Ms May and reverse Brexit.

You don't really think that will happen, do you?