(04-05-2017 04:44 PM)Shox Wrote:  This whole thing is a crock and I am thrilled we are done with the MVC. Loyola was such a **** pick that Elgin has no choice but to double down with UIC. If they really cared about basketball, about RPI's, about attendance, they would have done things differently. Back in the day when WKU wanted in, nope the private schools turned up their nose. Murray State, the same except the Gateway wasn't willing to help out the MVC to get the deal done. Butler vs Evansville, we chose the loser on that one and that expansion could have been a game changer. The one time it actually worked out was UNI. At the time and on paper it was a terrible move and Shox fans weren't happy. UNI proved everyone wrong, Missouri State has been pretty solid but got straight punked by their admin over the last 20 years. It happened to us in the late eighties and we were In a tail spin until the mid 2000's, so it happens. The rest have been mega failures, they are what they are and have already peaked. Bradley will dominate this conference in the future.

Arguably you left the MVC to join the "real MVC" with Tulsa, SMU, Memphis, Cincy, and Houston.

(04-05-2017 04:29 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  It'll be UIC (less likely Valpo) and the Tourney will move to Chicago, which is where it should be.

Oakland and Milwaukee are respectable options, as is Valparaiso (despite struggling to keep enrollment up). I would add Wright State to that list, as they have the best "numbers," -- the Dayton area really supports it's college Basketball. But UIC simply scores out the best by a healthy margin, as it has a larger alumni base and is in Chicago. Yes Kansas City and Omaha are nice metros, but the school's have weak programs and no much fan support. Simply not close to MVC standards. Murray? No.

Why not Murray?

(04-05-2017 04:44 PM)Shox Wrote:  This whole thing is a crock and I am thrilled we are done with the MVC. Loyola was such a **** pick that Elgin has no choice but to double down with UIC. If they really cared about basketball, about RPI's, about attendance, they would have done things differently. Back in the day when WKU wanted in, nope the private schools turned up their nose. Murray State, the same except the Gateway wasn't willing to help out the MVC to get the deal done. Butler vs Evansville, we chose the loser on that one and that expansion could have been a game changer. The one time it actually worked out was UNI. At the time and on paper it was a terrible move and Shox fans weren't happy. UNI proved everyone wrong, Missouri State has been pretty solid but got straight punked by their admin over the last 20 years. It happened to us in the late eighties and we were In a tail spin until the mid 2000's, so it happens. The rest have been mega failures, they are what they are and have already peaked. Bradley will dominate this conference in the future.

What do you mean by that?

(04-05-2017 04:44 PM)Shox Wrote:  This whole thing is a crock and I am thrilled we are done with the MVC. Loyola was such a **** pick that Elgin has no choice but to double down with UIC. If they really cared about basketball, about RPI's, about attendance, they would have done things differently. Back in the day when WKU wanted in, nope the private schools turned up their nose. Murray State, the same except the Gateway wasn't willing to help out the MVC to get the deal done. Butler vs Evansville, we chose the loser on that one and that expansion could have been a game changer. The one time it actually worked out was UNI. At the time and on paper it was a terrible move and Shox fans weren't happy. UNI proved everyone wrong, Missouri State has been pretty solid but got straight punked by their admin over the last 20 years. It happened to us in the late eighties and we were In a tail spin until the mid 2000's, so it happens. The rest have been mega failures, they are what they are and have already peaked. Bradley will dominate this conference in the future.

Our decline has been the last 6 years, not 20. We had pretty much the same record as Wichita State did from 2000 to 2011.

Evansville vs Butler in hindsight looks like a loser, but when Evansville was added they were the much better program. 3 NCAAs and 2 NITs in the 7 year period before they were added to the MVC. Plus they used to get really good attendance at Roberts Stadium. Putting 9 to 10k in attendance every night.

For the most part of all of this crap is on Bradley. Should have let them and Creighton go to the MCC back in 1985 and moved on from there. Blocked football and that has hurt the MVC in the long run. Even though the rumor schools in 1985 would have been a little different than how the league ended up today.
http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1985/...basketball
http://newsok.com/article/2107137

Bradley was upset when we were added in 1990. Note how the geography of the MVC has changed since then as well.
http://www.upi.com/Archives/1990/03/08/S...636872400/

Also an ironic article in 1990 about the MVC. Could easily have been written today.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/archives/valle...549c5.html

The MVC convening an "emergency meeting" at this point is like Captain Smith of the Titanic convening an "emergency meeting" after striking the iceberg.

Go ahead...rearrange the deck chairs. The band will play on.

(04-05-2017 04:52 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 04:44 PM)Shox Wrote:  This whole thing is a crock and I am thrilled we are done with the MVC. Loyola was such a **** pick that Elgin has no choice but to double down with UIC. If they really cared about basketball, about RPI's, about attendance, they would have done things differently. Back in the day when WKU wanted in, nope the private schools turned up their nose. Murray State, the same except the Gateway wasn't willing to help out the MVC to get the deal done. Butler vs Evansville, we chose the loser on that one and that expansion could have been a game changer. The one time it actually worked out was UNI. At the time and on paper it was a terrible move and Shox fans weren't happy. UNI proved everyone wrong, Missouri State has been pretty solid but got straight punked by their admin over the last 20 years. It happened to us in the late eighties and we were In a tail spin until the mid 2000's, so it happens. The rest have been mega failures, they are what they are and have already peaked. Bradley will dominate this conference in the future.

Arguably you left the MVC to join the "real MVC" with Tulsa, SMU, Memphis, Cincy, and Houston.

The "real MVC" is the Big 12.

(04-05-2017 09:25 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 08:23 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If the MVC wanted my advice (apparently don't because they never call)
My first run would be going to 12.
I'd shoot for Texas-Arlington (scratches the itch for people liking markets, it's the 5th largest) plus Little Rock (slightly larger market than Tulsa, bridges UTA and MoSt, not a hub but has direct flights to Dallas and St. Louis, reasonable bus trip for non-revenue sports for most of the Valley) and Valparaiso just under 75 miles from Chicago O'Hare, helps keep the Public/Private balance in shape and one of the better known mid-major brands.

If that happened, would really screw up the travel partner plan in the SBC.

Not as much as you'd think

Ark State-ULM
ULL-Texas State
Troy-USA
Ga State-Ga Southern
App-CCU

ULL-Texas State is only a hour further than CCU-App

What about a push to 12 with Valpo, UIC and Belmont for the MVC?

That makes for a 6/6 public/private school split in the MVC.

UIC (MVC likes and would be the 5th Illinois school in the conference)
Valpo (If UIC leaves to the MVC they'll be compelled to do the same)
Belmont (Twelve team MVC becomes attractive)

Then Horizon League responds with UMKC/UNO as travel partners back to 10. Keeps the basketball urban.

(04-05-2017 08:17 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 04:52 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 04:44 PM)Shox Wrote:  This whole thing is a crock and I am thrilled we are done with the MVC. Loyola was such a **** pick that Elgin has no choice but to double down with UIC. If they really cared about basketball, about RPI's, about attendance, they would have done things differently. Back in the day when WKU wanted in, nope the private schools turned up their nose. Murray State, the same except the Gateway wasn't willing to help out the MVC to get the deal done. Butler vs Evansville, we chose the loser on that one and that expansion could have been a game changer. The one time it actually worked out was UNI. At the time and on paper it was a terrible move and Shox fans weren't happy. UNI proved everyone wrong, Missouri State has been pretty solid but got straight punked by their admin over the last 20 years. It happened to us in the late eighties and we were In a tail spin until the mid 2000's, so it happens. The rest have been mega failures, they are what they are and have already peaked. Bradley will dominate this conference in the future.

Arguably you left the MVC to join the "real MVC" with Tulsa, SMU, Memphis, Cincy, and Houston.

The "real MVC" is the Big 12.

Nope. The only "real MVC" is the MVC. The MVC kept the history of the conference.

Belmont isn't coming to the MVC. It makes zero sense for them and it makes zero sense for the MVC. If you are plucking an OVC team - Murray State is the one.

(04-05-2017 08:35 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Belmont isn't coming to the MVC. It makes zero sense for them and it makes zero sense for the MVC. If you are plucking an OVC team - Murray State is the one.

How does Belmont make zero sense?

(04-05-2017 08:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 09:25 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 08:23 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If the MVC wanted my advice (apparently don't because they never call)
My first run would be going to 12.
I'd shoot for Texas-Arlington (scratches the itch for people liking markets, it's the 5th largest) plus Little Rock (slightly larger market than Tulsa, bridges UTA and MoSt, not a hub but has direct flights to Dallas and St. Louis, reasonable bus trip for non-revenue sports for most of the Valley) and Valparaiso just under 75 miles from Chicago O'Hare, helps keep the Public/Private balance in shape and one of the better known mid-major brands.

If that happened, would really screw up the travel partner plan in the SBC.

Not as much as you'd think

Ark State-ULM
ULL-Texas State
Troy-USA
Ga State-Ga Southern
App-CCU

ULL-Texas State is only a hour further than CCU-App

Y'all can take Little Rock, but I want to keep UTA and put that stadium back to work. Missouri State should be #12 in the all-sports SBC.

As for my regional word, I'm partial to the oddity following the pronunciation of pecan. It's strange to me that the Northeast pronounces it "pee-can", while much of the mid-Atlantic, mid-west, and south says "p'con". However, it appears those of us south of the Georgia gnat line that live closer to the coast, all the way up to Virginia goes back to being "pee-can"people.

(04-05-2017 08:35 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Belmont isn't coming to the MVC. It makes zero sense for them and it makes zero sense for the MVC. If you are plucking an OVC team - Murray State is the one.

Murray State I don't feel cuts it academically.

(04-05-2017 08:35 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Belmont isn't coming to the MVC. It makes zero sense for them and it makes zero sense for the MVC. If you are plucking an OVC team - Murray State is the one.

Okay then. Murray State wouldn't be bad either. As a matter of fact, they have a much better track record than Belmont. The Racers have had 30 straight winning seasons until this past one. Their only problem is getting to them. They reside in a place with no airport. Almost like a Bermuda Triangle.

Only other problem is they only have two sports (not counting football, because this is a basketball topic. Not counting rifle and that other crap either.), Baseball and Basketball. No swimming, track & field, golf, tennis, soccer...what the hey!

(04-05-2017 08:55 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 08:35 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Belmont isn't coming to the MVC. It makes zero sense for them and it makes zero sense for the MVC. If you are plucking an OVC team - Murray State is the one.

Murray State I don't feel cuts it academically.

Lol

Murray State blows most of the MVC teams away academically

(04-04-2017 09:22 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(04-04-2017 04:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-04-2017 04:28 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(04-04-2017 04:26 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Basketball only means all sports but football.

Yes. It personally annoys me because it's an inaccurate term on its face, but that's what people generally mean to be a "basketball-only" school.

Yup. Its like people asking for a "Coke" when they really are asking for a soft drink.

so how do you ask for something other than coke? I know what you're talking about. I'm from the south but that has always irked me. I ask for exactly the brand name that I want when I'm out someplace. If I'm a guest at someone's house I usually ask if they have anything I can drink.

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I wouldn't do that either. Seriously, I would never go into someone's home and ask them if they have anything I could drink? That would definitely be frowned upon where I'm from.

Normally, the host asks you if you would like something to drink and you politely decline. You tell them you just drank something or you're not thirsty or some other BS. Then, they insist on it and you either decline again or you relent. It's kind of like the obligatory encore for a rock band. Everyone knows the drill and it's easier just to play by those rules.

When I'm hosting, if I'm close enough to my guest, I don't even ask. I just make them a drink based on what I know they like and I hand it to them. It saves a lot of time and energy.

(04-05-2017 08:54 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 08:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 09:25 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 08:23 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If the MVC wanted my advice (apparently don't because they never call)
My first run would be going to 12.
I'd shoot for Texas-Arlington (scratches the itch for people liking markets, it's the 5th largest) plus Little Rock (slightly larger market than Tulsa, bridges UTA and MoSt, not a hub but has direct flights to Dallas and St. Louis, reasonable bus trip for non-revenue sports for most of the Valley) and Valparaiso just under 75 miles from Chicago O'Hare, helps keep the Public/Private balance in shape and one of the better known mid-major brands.

If that happened, would really screw up the travel partner plan in the SBC.

Not as much as you'd think

Ark State-ULM
ULL-Texas State
Troy-USA
Ga State-Ga Southern
App-CCU

ULL-Texas State is only a hour further than CCU-App

Y'all can take Little Rock, but I want to keep UTA and put that stadium back to work. Missouri State should be #12 in the all-sports SBC.

As for my regional word, I'm partial to the oddity following the pronunciation of pecan. It's strange to me that the Northeast pronounces it "pee-can", while much of the mid-Atlantic, mid-west, and south says "p'con". However, it appears those of us south of the Georgia gnat line that live closer to the coast, all the way up to Virginia goes back to being "pee-can"people.

A pop and a pee-can!

(04-05-2017 08:54 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 08:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 09:25 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 08:23 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If the MVC wanted my advice (apparently don't because they never call)
My first run would be going to 12.
I'd shoot for Texas-Arlington (scratches the itch for people liking markets, it's the 5th largest) plus Little Rock (slightly larger market than Tulsa, bridges UTA and MoSt, not a hub but has direct flights to Dallas and St. Louis, reasonable bus trip for non-revenue sports for most of the Valley) and Valparaiso just under 75 miles from Chicago O'Hare, helps keep the Public/Private balance in shape and one of the better known mid-major brands.

If that happened, would really screw up the travel partner plan in the SBC.

Not as much as you'd think

Ark State-ULM
ULL-Texas State
Troy-USA
Ga State-Ga Southern
App-CCU

ULL-Texas State is only a hour further than CCU-App

Y'all can take Little Rock, but I want to keep UTA and put that stadium back to work. Missouri State should be #12 in the all-sports SBC.

As for my regional word, I'm partial to the oddity following the pronunciation of pecan. It's strange to me that the Northeast pronounces it "pee-can", while much of the mid-Atlantic, mid-west, and south says "p'con". However, it appears those of us south of the Georgia gnat line that live closer to the coast, all the way up to Virginia goes back to being "pee-can"people.

I say both. Pcon for the nuts by themselves and P CAN for the pie.
Kind of like Route Road is ROOT 66 but its paper ROUT.
Don't get me started on Missouri and Missourah

(04-05-2017 04:44 PM)Shox Wrote:  This whole thing is a crock and I am thrilled we are done with the MVC. Loyola was such a **** pick that Elgin has no choice but to double down with UIC. If they really cared about basketball, about RPI's, about attendance, they would have done things differently. Back in the day when WKU wanted in, nope the private schools turned up their nose. Murray State, the same except the Gateway wasn't willing to help out the MVC to get the deal done. Butler vs Evansville, we chose the loser on that one and that expansion could have been a game changer. The one time it actually worked out was UNI. At the time and on paper it was a terrible move and Shox fans weren't happy. UNI proved everyone wrong, Missouri State has been pretty solid but got straight punked by their admin over the last 20 years. It happened to us in the late eighties and we were In a tail spin until the mid 2000's, so it happens. The rest have been mega failures, they are what they are and have already peaked. Bradley will dominate this conference in the future.

Bradley, Illinois St and the school everyone always forgets about....UNI. UNI was an honest referee away from the sweet 16 a year ago. The AtM robbery.

(04-05-2017 10:00 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 08:54 PM)ChooChoo Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 08:25 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 09:25 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(04-05-2017 08:23 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If the MVC wanted my advice (apparently don't because they never call)
My first run would be going to 12.
I'd shoot for Texas-Arlington (scratches the itch for people liking markets, it's the 5th largest) plus Little Rock (slightly larger market than Tulsa, bridges UTA and MoSt, not a hub but has direct flights to Dallas and St. Louis, reasonable bus trip for non-revenue sports for most of the Valley) and Valparaiso just under 75 miles from Chicago O'Hare, helps keep the Public/Private balance in shape and one of the better known mid-major brands.

If that happened, would really screw up the travel partner plan in the SBC.

Not as much as you'd think

Ark State-ULM
ULL-Texas State
Troy-USA
Ga State-Ga Southern
App-CCU

ULL-Texas State is only a hour further than CCU-App

Y'all can take Little Rock, but I want to keep UTA and put that stadium back to work. Missouri State should be #12 in the all-sports SBC.

As for my regional word, I'm partial to the oddity following the pronunciation of pecan. It's strange to me that the Northeast pronounces it "pee-can", while much of the mid-Atlantic, mid-west, and south says "p'con". However, it appears those of us south of the Georgia gnat line that live closer to the coast, all the way up to Virginia goes back to being "pee-can"people.

I say both. Pcon for the nuts by themselves and P CAN for the pie.
Kind of like Route Road is ROOT 66 but its paper ROUT.
Don't get me started on Missouri and Missourah

In the west you say ROOT 66. In the east Route 66. In Iowa Rut 66