(03-22-2017 08:04 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 08:02 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Rhoades was a no brainer for VCU as he was a main part of Shaka's staff. He was high on their list when they hired Wade, so not shocked at all he is now the guy after he got some head coaching experience.

He did get some HC experience, but with not very good results. Will be interesting to see how he pans out.

What do you define as not very good results? He started in 2014-15. The 2 years prior they were one of the absolute worst programs and he turned them into 6 more conference wins in year 1 and had the at a respectable 22-11. He turned Rice to better than average team from a complete dumpster fire

2012-13: 5-26 (1-15)
2013-14: 7-23 (2-14)
2014-15: 12-20 (8-10)
2015-16: 12-20 (7-11)
2016-17: 22-11 (11-7)

(03-22-2017 10:22 AM)dan10 Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 08:04 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 08:02 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Rhoades was a no brainer for VCU as he was a main part of Shaka's staff. He was high on their list when they hired Wade, so not shocked at all he is now the guy after he got some head coaching experience.

He did get some HC experience, but with not very good results. Will be interesting to see how he pans out.

What do you define as not very good results? He started in 2014-15. The 2 years prior they were one of the absolute worst programs and he turned them into 6 more conference wins in year 1 and had the at a respectable 22-11. He turned Rice to better than average team from a complete dumpster fire

2012-13: 5-26 (1-15)
2013-14: 7-23 (2-14)
2014-15: 12-20 (8-10)
2015-16: 12-20 (7-11)
2016-17: 22-11 (11-7)

Another good season, and i'd be convinced 16-17 wasn't a fluke. Keatts turned a dumpster fire into 3 winning seasons. He's coached for 3 seasons, had 2 very bad ones and one decent. It's not super impressive, but that's just my opinion

(03-22-2017 10:26 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Another good season, and i'd be convinced 16-17 wasn't a fluke. Keatts turned a dumpster fire into 3 winning seasons. He's coached for 3 seasons, had 2 very bad ones and one decent. It's not super impressive, but that's just my opinion

1. I am not saying what Keatts did at UNCW was not remarkable, because it was.
2. Holding a coach to year 1 or year 2 results is a bit foolish as they are using the previous coaches recruits, likely that don't really meet the type of player you are looking for.
3. UNCW was bad but was not Rice bad when Keatts took over. There was still some talent that was underutilized. I seriously doubt there was any actual talent at Rice. Same goes for ability to rise up. UNCW was a previous power in this conference, Rice has never been a talent.
4. Keatts really benefited by timing of conference realignment, which made the CAA much easier to navigate without Mason, ODU, VCU

(03-22-2017 11:05 AM)dan10 Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 10:26 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Another good season, and i'd be convinced 16-17 wasn't a fluke. Keatts turned a dumpster fire into 3 winning seasons. He's coached for 3 seasons, had 2 very bad ones and one decent. It's not super impressive, but that's just my opinion

1. I am not saying what Keatts did at UNCW was not remarkable, because it was.
2. Holding a coach to year 1 or year 2 results is a bit foolish as they are using the previous coaches recruits, likely that don't really meet the type of player you are looking for.
3. UNCW was bad but was not Rice bad when Keatts took over. There was still some talent that was underutilized. I seriously doubt there was any actual talent at Rice. Same goes for ability to rise up. UNCW was a previous power in this conference, Rice has never been a talent.
4. Keatts really benefited by timing of conference realignment, which made the CAA much easier to navigate without Mason, ODU, VCU

I agree with you both. Rhoades' year three results are very good and I think that is when you typically look for the biggest jump. Typically, this is when you have your guys and your system in place. However, three years of D1 coaching experience, and one winning season could be a fluke. Then again, another year of success, and he may have P5 offers.

I think Dan's points regarding our turnaround are important. We were spoiled by Keatts' ability to compete in the CAA from year 1 and I think that may cloud our judgement of other success stories. That said, I really know nothing about Rice basketball.

I am not convinced about the Shaka Smart coaching tree and it sounds like Texas fans are not convinced about him either. He has to win this year or he might be gone.
I did see that Mull mentioned a beware of the retreat hire and something about Wright St and bad defense numbers. Not sure those tweets go together or not.

(03-22-2017 11:16 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 11:05 AM)dan10 Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 10:26 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Another good season, and i'd be convinced 16-17 wasn't a fluke. Keatts turned a dumpster fire into 3 winning seasons. He's coached for 3 seasons, had 2 very bad ones and one decent. It's not super impressive, but that's just my opinion

1. I am not saying what Keatts did at UNCW was not remarkable, because it was.
2. Holding a coach to year 1 or year 2 results is a bit foolish as they are using the previous coaches recruits, likely that don't really meet the type of player you are looking for.
3. UNCW was bad but was not Rice bad when Keatts took over. There was still some talent that was underutilized. I seriously doubt there was any actual talent at Rice. Same goes for ability to rise up. UNCW was a previous power in this conference, Rice has never been a talent.
4. Keatts really benefited by timing of conference realignment, which made the CAA much easier to navigate without Mason, ODU, VCU

I agree with you both. Rhoades' year three results are very good and I think that is when you typically look for the biggest jump. Typically, this is when you have your guys and your system in place. However, three years of D1 coaching experience, and one winning season could be a fluke. Then again, another year of success, and he may have P5 offers.

I think Dan's points regarding our turnaround are important. We were spoiled by Keatts' ability to compete in the CAA from year 1 and I think that may cloud our judgement of other success stories. That said, I really know nothing about Rice basketball.

I agree we were definitely spoiled by Keatts. That said, even if he had a bad first year, I'd have expected to see improvement in year 2, with Rhodes, that year 1 to 2 improvement was minimal.

Mull is always taking veiled shots at Billy Donlon, he was referring to Wright States offensive efficiency while Billy was coaching. Don't think Billy or Byington are the answer right now.

(03-22-2017 12:18 PM)Dash Rip Rock Jr Wrote:  Mull is always taking veiled shots at Billy Donlon, he was referring to Wright States offensive efficiency while Billy was coaching. Don't think Billy or Byington are the answer right now.

Interesting. Wasn't he the beat when Billy was on Staff? Doesn't sound like they play well together now does it?

(03-22-2017 11:52 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  I am not convinced about the Shaka Smart coaching tree and it sounds like Texas fans are not convinced about him either. He has to win this year or he might be gone.
I did see that Mull mentioned a beware of the retreat hire and something about Wright St and bad defense numbers. Not sure those tweets go together or not.

His retread comment was in regards to a Pitt player transferring and he said "beware of the retread." I didn't read anything into that as it relates to the UNCW search.

As for Kevin Stallings, I don't think he meets the criteria of a retread. He was hired away from Vandy, not fired, so I think that remark misses the target altogether.

There is reason to doubt Smart right now, and I have no doubt there are UT fans upset (assuming there are UT basketball fans), but there's no way you fire him after three years is there?

All this discussion is interesting but think about when Jimmy came out with Keatts - had anyone brought his name up? True to last time Jimmy is (as a previous poster has stated) playing things very close to the vest. He wasn't at yesterday's baseball game (he usually in attendance) so I figure he was working at filling the job. Watch for announcements about a special meeting of the Board of Trustees. They will ok the new coaches contract.

Nevertheless, the speculation by all of us is all we have until announcement day - whenever that is.

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(03-22-2017 01:33 PM)Proff Wrote:  All this discussion is interesting but think about when Jimmy came out with Keatts - had anyone brought his name up?

We knew when Keatts interviewed last time didn't we? My recollection is that his name was out there before he was hired, but I could be wrong.

Overall, I agree with what you're saying, but this time seems even closer to the vest. Sucks for the fans who want to know, but it is absolutely the way you want your AD to conduct a search.

Agreed. Doing this job properly would be impossible if done in the open. Even when searches are done by committee, the search process is done in secret for the most part.

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(03-21-2017 03:19 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  More chatter- https://hoopdirt.com/daily-dirt-32117/
"A name picking up steam at UNC Wilmington is Louisville associate head coach Kenny Johnson.

Johnson seems like a very interesting prospect. This article has a video of him when he took the Louisville (to replace Keats).

(03-22-2017 01:33 PM)Proff Wrote:  All this discussion is interesting but think about when Jimmy came out with Keatts - had anyone brought his name up? True to last time Jimmy is (as a previous poster has stated) playing things very close to the vest. He wasn't at yesterday's baseball game (he usually in attendance) so I figure he was working at filling the job. Watch for announcements about a special meeting of the Board of Trustees. They will ok the new coaches contract.

Nevertheless, the speculation by all of us is all we have until announcement day - whenever that is.

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Dead on with BOT emergency meeting announcement. As soon as you see that then the coaching announcement is coming that day.

Mull just had a series of "twats" (that's for you Hoops) regarding UNCW/Christian. Said a number of Christian's peers and former co-workers consider UNCW (my assumption) as a fit/progression for him. Said, "I would've called Jamion first. He's a rising star, similar style as Keatts, intelligent and engaging. Young but experienced." Said of the move, "UNCW in much stronger league, has better facilities, pay, travel / recruiting budget. Mount plays brutal schedule." Finished series by saying there are a lot of qualified candidates and that it is an attractive job.

6'5" Virginia guard Marial Shyok is transferring. Word is he's a better fit in a system like ours.

(03-22-2017 07:02 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  6'5" Virginia guard Marial Shyok is transferring. Word is he's a better fit in a system like ours.

Or NC State....

He was a player....

Virginia isn't going to let him transfer within the conference.

In addition to Shyok transferring, Austin Nichols, Jr has declared for the NBA along with Perrantes graduating. Virginia may be on the decline. I won't miss the UVA love affair.

(03-22-2017 07:15 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Virginia isn't going to let him transfer within the conference.

In addition to Shyok transferring, Austin Nichols, Jr has declared for the NBA along with Perrantes graduating. Virginia may be on the decline. I won't miss the UVA love affair.

The held the holes to 43 lol. I'd hate them too

(03-22-2017 07:44 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  

(03-22-2017 07:15 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Virginia isn't going to let him transfer within the conference.

In addition to Shyok transferring, Austin Nichols, Jr has declared for the NBA along with Perrantes graduating. Virginia may be on the decline. I won't miss the UVA love affair.

The held the holes to 43 lol. I'd hate them too

Nah, nothing to do with it. Awful basketball, IMO and from November-early March, you have to hear how great of a coach Bennett is only to watch his team **** the bed in the NCAAT every year.