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RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them?
Little Rock might accept a Valley invite but I don't think it's an automatic.
They have two short bus drives in the Sun Belt, they've been able to reach the NCAA second round out of the Sun Belt (did it last year).
They generate extra money by playing Arkansas State, not just from tickets, but from sponsorship. Every year they have a sponsor who awards a trophy to the winner of the AState-UALR game played in Little Rock

Sun Belt adopted a policy requiring 15 sports, UALR dropped women's tennis to go down to 14 and the rule has never been enforced, I guess because everyone understands that being in the UA System they have less financial freedom than most schools. Dropping women's tennis for financial reasons doesn't scream, we are willing to increase travel and potentially lose our most profitable game.
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RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them?
(03-18-2017 11:21 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Little Rock might accept a Valley invite but I don't think it's an automatic.
They have two short bus drives in the Sun Belt, they've been able to reach the NCAA second round out of the Sun Belt (did it last year).
They generate extra money by playing Arkansas State, not just from tickets, but from sponsorship. Every year they have a sponsor who awards a trophy to the winner of the AState-UALR game played in Little Rock

Sun Belt adopted a policy requiring 15 sports, UALR dropped women's tennis to go down to 14 and the rule has never been enforced, I guess because everyone understands that being in the UA System they have less financial freedom than most schools. Dropping women's tennis for financial reasons doesn't scream, we are willing to increase travel and potentially lose our most profitable game.

Little Rock would be an interesting play for the MVC.

Last time I would note the MVC picked the most "old school" basketball school it could find in Loyola-Chicago. They were great at one time.

Little Rock, OTOH was never really anything save a couple of good seasons, IMO.
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RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them?
If the American adds Wichita State, Dayton, and Virginia Commonwealth, would Saint Louis bolt for the MVC, or would the A-10 possibly poach the MVC for one or two schools closer to Saint Louis?

If the A-10 goes strictly by the ability to make the tournament, Northern Iowa has the most appearances of the remaining MVC members at 10, with the last being in 2016. Bradley is the next down the list at 8 appearances, but the last one was in 2006. There would also be the option of adding Missouri State (6 appearances, last in 1999) as well, which may help somewhat with engaging the markets in Saint Louis and Kansas City now that there are two schools in the state of Missouri in the conference. I could also see the A-10 picking a school like Belmont over any of the other MVC schools.

Of course the other option is to let Saint Louis walk, but I doubt they would have any interest in a depleted MVC. The Big East likely will not expand until a suitable 12th member develops, and that 12th member will need to be along the East Coast.
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RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them?
Saint Louis has a unique situation as its located at a major airline hub. Travel costs in the A10 are not the concern as it is at Evansville which is 2 hours from a major airport.

Personally, I think that combo should be Wichita, Saint Louis and Dayton. That would keep Cincinnati and Dayton in the same division for travel.

One possible option for the A10 is to go with Belmont and Southern Illinois. If SIU and Wichita left that would place pressure on Missouri State to find a home somewhere more suitable geographically like the the Sun Belt.
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RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them?
I doubt the American would use divisions for basketball. Dayton makes for more natural travel partners:

Wichita State/Tulsa
Houston/SMU
Memphis/Tulane
USF/UCF
Connecticut/Temple
East Carolina/VCU
Cincinnati/Dayton
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RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them?
The A10 could also look at Old Dominion because of travel over the far flung CUSA configuration.

Buffalo would be a nice pickup for the A10. They've established a good basketball program in the MAC.

Ohio feels kinship with the MVC. They hosted and defeated Loyola-Chicago when they were ranked #1 in the country. The smaller college towns of the MVC are appealing to be aligned with. Played Illinois State in the NCAA tourney one time. It has an old school basketball tradition that fits into the tradition of the MVC.

The A10/MVC should look at picking off a few FBS schools this time around. With Army, Umass, Liberty and possibly UConn all playing Indy in the East its becoming easier to do the Eastern Independent thing again, particularly if a couple of schools can make the break at one time.
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If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them?
AAC is only adding one
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RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them?
(03-17-2017 11:11 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  but I wouldn't assume that Missouri State bolts (AKA I don't think they're moving up to FBS).

If a Sun Belt invite suddenly materialized, they'd be plain stupid not to go for it. The MVC wouldn't exactly be trending up, and MO St MBB hasn't exactly managed to restoke the fires of its past success, even with a great newish arena.

Winning the Sun Belt could be the jolt that the MBB would need. And FBS would bring new interest in football, possibly with a "rivalry" of sorts with Ark St. (at least as much interest in Mizzou vs Ark, in the SEC, right??)


The actual problem is, that Sun Belt ship sailed. I do think MO St could've beat out Coastal ... but as is always, always, always the case for every school, the admin just didn't have the vision and just couldn't see what was going to happen to the MVC as far as losing Tulsa, Creighton, and now WSU.


(03-18-2017 01:18 PM)SubGod22 Wrote:  But if the dominoes start to go, UNI would do what they could to jump to the MAC and go FBS.

I believe UNI stuck its wrestling program in the MAC, instead of the Big 12 with all the rest of the schools it should be with, for this very chance.

Would the MAC be willing to pair N Illinois with N Iowa -- a 250 mile bus trip -- and force the rest of the Ohio/Michigan members to make more trips east of Indiana?


(03-19-2017 10:23 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Saint Louis has a unique situation as its located at a major airline hub. Travel costs in the A10 are not the concern

Plus I still think STL is hanging onto the dream of joining the Big East, and so it feels it must maintain membership in the Big East's Triple-A affiliate league, the A10.
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RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them?
Anyone thinking any of the Dakota schools has even a hope of getting a sniff from the MVC, simply has no clue.

Zero chance.
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RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them?
(03-19-2017 11:26 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  AAC is only adding one

Where is anyone coming up with the AAC adding 3?
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(03-19-2017 01:10 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  
(03-19-2017 11:26 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  AAC is only adding one

Where is anyone coming up with the AAC adding 3?

Mark Blaudschun floated it. Blaudschun's article is paywalled, but this VCUramnation.com article says:

Quote:Click bait or legit talks for another big conference realignment shift? You be the judge. Conference realignment junkie Mark Blaudschun recently wrote that the American Athletic Conference (or AAC) has had upper level discussions about the football breakaway half of the conference once known as the Big East, potentially expanding to include Wichita State, VCU and Dayton to increase the league’s basketball profile.

So the VCU fan site hints that it's just clickbait.

All that said, there's an argument for the AAC taking all three.

1. 5/11 to 8/14 good programs is a bigger bang than 5/11 to 6/12. Adding three good programs almost certainly adds a bid or two a year, while adding one program maybe adds a bid, maybe not.

2. With the separation developing in basketball between the top conferences and everybody else, crippling the A-10 sets up the AAC as the lone "tweener conference" in basketball, much like their "P6" campaign in football. You'd have seven conferences that matter, plus Gonzaga and maybe another WCC school or 2. And the AAC would be on the right side of that divide.
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ETSU would be the best addition to keep the current public/private balance. However, Valpo and Belmont could be good additions.
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The school the Valley ought to look at is New Mexico State, who used to be a member, but I would be surprised if the league were willing to travel to Las Cruces since it has been shifting eastward.
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(03-19-2017 10:56 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The school the Valley ought to look at is New Mexico State, who used to be a member, but I would be surprised if the league were willing to travel to Las Cruces since it has been shifting eastward.

There's no way they'd get approval due to travel costs. The likes of Evansville simply can't afford such things.
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RE: If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them?
MO St will threaten to leave if UMKC isn't added.

UMKC is added.

MO St leaves. 07-coffee3
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(03-20-2017 10:44 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  MO St will threaten to leave if UMKC isn't added.

UMKC is added.

MO St leaves. 07-coffee3

Leaves---to where?

There is a school of thought on this board that confuses Missouri State with Michigan State or something. Who says CUSA or the Sun Belt wants Missouri State?

Consider how much realignment is driven by a conference *deciding* to expand to improve themselves, compared to how much is driven by conference backfilling to fix a hole created by someone else's expansion.

Or is Missouri State going to leave the Valley to join some other one-bid FCS/nonfootball league? What would be the point of that?
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Currently, they have no where to go. That is right.


The point of the post is just that even if it takes MO St 10 years to escape to an FBS conf, that's what they'll want now that Tulsa, Creighton, and Wichita have moved on and up.

So it's just a little funny that the MVC might end up capitulating to a school that everyone should know wants to dump the conference at its first chance, anyway, and leave it with a shoddy UMKC program that no one else wanted over UIC or Valpo.
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(03-20-2017 12:25 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Currently, they have no where to go. That is right.


The point of the post is just that even if it takes MO St 10 years to escape to an FBS conf, that's what they'll want now that Tulsa, Creighton, and Wichita have moved on and up.

So it's just a little funny that the MVC might end up capitulating to a school that everyone should know wants to dump the conference at its first chance, anyway, and leave it with a shoddy UMKC program that no one else wanted over UIC or Valpo.

I'm sorry, I misread your "isn't" as "is."

I fully agree with your point. Placating a school with a wandering eye rarely works. I just thought the placating was in the other direction.
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04-cheers


I obviously think the MVC should add Valpo or UIC. Guess we'll see if it listens.
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(03-17-2017 09:01 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  If Wichita State does go to the AAC, who should replace them?

A couple of ideas would be Murray State and Belmont. Who else?

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/201...twitter_si

Why would the AAC take a hopes only program they've been through that nightmare before, Wichita does not have the $ to add football back. Wouldn't they be a better fit for the A10 with St Louis U in a neighboring state?
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