I'm at a loss for words.

Tough crowd.

Martin's first year as full time starter and with actual coaching. Maybe have a bit of patience with the kid.

From the CA:

Martin leads Memphis in minutes played and leads the AAC in steals per game (two). He also ranks among the top five in the league in assists (4.4 per game) and assist-to-turnover ratio.

I am a heckuva lot more worried about what players will get signed.

(03-14-2017 06:26 AM)Hoots Wrote:  Love JM. He took great strides this year. Definite room for improvement, of course, but I think he'll be even better next season.

Me, too. I was happy with his play this year & think he can be a solid PG for us. Needs to work on a few things, but I just didnt see him as our problem thus year. It would be hard for a freshman to come in next year and be better than him next year.

The posters who think he's a back up bench player wouldn't know a basketball if it hit them in their face. Tell Cincinnati that he's a bench player.

(03-14-2017 10:31 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(03-14-2017 06:26 AM)Hoots Wrote:  Love JM. He took great strides this year. Definite room for improvement, of course, but I think he'll be even better next season.

Me, too. I was happy with his play this year & think he can be a solid PG for us. Needs to work on a few things, but I just didnt see him as our problem thus year. It would be hard for a freshman to come in next year and be better than him next year.

Martin's best games were during last 10 games or so when Tubby finally moved him off the ball in half court offense and gave him room to cut or drive to basket. He was not capable of running half court offense this past season.

(03-14-2017 01:15 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(03-14-2017 10:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-14-2017 10:02 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Elliot Perry was a McDonald's All American coming out of high school and a flat out baller.
I'm not saying that less heralded players can't improve, but let's not kid ourselves. A young EP would have eaten Martin alive.

With one hand tied behind his back.

I don't know whether Jeremiah could stop Perry, but I doubt Jeremiah could get the ball across halfcourt against him. EP had the quickest hands I ever saw. Dude was averaging 7 steals per game fairly late in the season one year.

Perry was a great defender, but 7 steals per game seems way high, unless he fell way off late in the year you referenced. He averaged 2.2, 2.1, 2.7 and 2.7 in his four years.

(03-15-2017 07:54 AM)Hoots Wrote:  

(03-14-2017 01:15 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(03-14-2017 10:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-14-2017 10:02 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Elliot Perry was a McDonald's All American coming out of high school and a flat out baller.
I'm not saying that less heralded players can't improve, but let's not kid ourselves. A young EP would have eaten Martin alive.

With one hand tied behind his back.

I don't know whether Jeremiah could stop Perry, but I doubt Jeremiah could get the ball across halfcourt against him. EP had the quickest hands I ever saw. Dude was averaging 7 steals per game fairly late in the season one year.

Perry was a great defender, but 7 steals per game seems way high, unless he fell way off late in the year you referenced. He averaged 2.2, 2.1, 2.7 and 2.7 in his four years.

Yeah, it was 4-5 games into the season. Against slaw, probably. But I remember an opposing coach referring to him as "that skinny kid in the aviator goggles" when EP snatched a bunch of steals against them.

(03-14-2017 10:46 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  The posters who think he's a back up bench player wouldn't know a basketball if it hit them in their face. Tell Cincinnati that he's a bench player.

He Predetermines what he is going to do on the drive, can not go right and lacks a shot.

First is easily fixed

Second and Third will take a bunch of work in the offseason.

He can be a very good player for us next year if fixes those issues and is able to defend quicker guards.

(03-15-2017 08:30 AM)holyterror Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 07:54 AM)Hoots Wrote:  

(03-14-2017 01:15 PM)holyterror Wrote:  

(03-14-2017 10:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-14-2017 10:02 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  Elliot Perry was a McDonald's All American coming out of high school and a flat out baller.
I'm not saying that less heralded players can't improve, but let's not kid ourselves. A young EP would have eaten Martin alive.

With one hand tied behind his back.

I don't know whether Jeremiah could stop Perry, but I doubt Jeremiah could get the ball across halfcourt against him. EP had the quickest hands I ever saw. Dude was averaging 7 steals per game fairly late in the season one year.

Perry was a great defender, but 7 steals per game seems way high, unless he fell way off late in the year you referenced. He averaged 2.2, 2.1, 2.7 and 2.7 in his four years.

Yeah, it was 4-5 games into the season. Against slaw, probably. But I remember an opposing coach referring to him as "that skinny kid in the aviator goggles" when EP snatched a bunch of steals against them.

He seemed to have a bunch against Louisville that one time. DickyV called the chicken hawk.

(03-15-2017 11:42 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-14-2017 10:46 PM)TubbyTime Wrote:  The posters who think he's a back up bench player wouldn't know a basketball if it hit them in their face. Tell Cincinnati that he's a bench player.

He Predetermines what he is going to do on the drive, can not go right and lacks a shot.

First is easily fixed

Second and Third will take a bunch of work in the offseason.

He can be a very good player for us next year if fixes those issues and is able to defend quicker guards.

I think he will progress just fine. This year was like his first year of playing. Because he didn't play as a freshman for Wonder Boy. I like his game and think he will work on his right hand and shooting this offseason.

(03-14-2017 11:44 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(03-14-2017 10:23 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(03-13-2017 10:41 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  He does remind me of Kemp. But Kemp was a better shooter by far.

Kemp was a Cal casualty.

No he wasn't

Kemp is not a Cal fan. Cal never found the right motivation style to max out Kemp's ability.

I thought Kemp's problem was that he decided he would rather be a stepper than a baller.

(03-15-2017 04:58 PM)idroot4russia Wrote:  I thought Kemp's problem was that he decided he would rather be a stepper than a baller.

Frat boy?

IMHO, one thing we lack is some of that traditional memphis athleticism from the past.
J Martin's speed while driving to the basket is the closest thing this group has to that athleticism.
Martin made improvement this season.
And, i look forward to his being a part of our improvement next season.

(03-15-2017 07:39 PM)roachman48 Wrote:  IMHO, one thing we lack is some of that traditional memphis athleticism from the past.
J Martin's speed while driving to the basket is the closest thing this group has to that athleticism.
Martin made improvement this season.
And, i look forward to his being a part of our improvement next season.

It's not what drives this board nowadays, and it's not what many of us want to hear -- we want a quick fix coach, a quick fix recruiting class, a quick fix schedule change, etc. -- but it's probably the most rational, pragmatic approach to our current situation -- hoping for incremental improvement over time, the way it normally happens when we're on an uptick. I just hope we're on an uptick.

But still, I like MT.org . . . so , , , if we could just find another Dana and another Lee, Bedford, and Turner, we'd be great with what we already have! Don't we have a coach without a contract and three schollies open if Dedric leaves? C'mon, ambassadors, make it happen!

(03-15-2017 08:40 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 07:39 PM)roachman48 Wrote:  IMHO, one thing we lack is some of that traditional memphis athleticism from the past.
J Martin's speed while driving to the basket is the closest thing this group has to that athleticism.
Martin made improvement this season.
And, i look forward to his being a part of our improvement next season.

It's not what drives this board nowadays, and it's not what many of us want to hear -- we want a quick fix coach, a quick fix recruiting class, a quick fix schedule change, etc. -- but it's probably the most rational, pragmatic approach to our current situation -- hoping for incremental improvement over time, the way it normally happens when we're on an uptick. I just hope we're on an uptick.

But still, I like MT.org . . . so , , , if we could just find another Dana and another Lee, Bedford, and Turner, we'd be great with what we already have! Don't we have a coach without a contract and three schollies open if Dedric leaves? C'mon, ambassadors, make it happen!

The Opie hangover has everyone out of patience.......

(03-15-2017 08:44 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  The Opie hangover has everyone out of patience.......

Understandably so.

(03-15-2017 08:44 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 08:40 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-15-2017 07:39 PM)roachman48 Wrote:  IMHO, one thing we lack is some of that traditional memphis athleticism from the past.
J Martin's speed while driving to the basket is the closest thing this group has to that athleticism.
Martin made improvement this season.
And, i look forward to his being a part of our improvement next season.

It's not what drives this board nowadays, and it's not what many of us want to hear -- we want a quick fix coach, a quick fix recruiting class, a quick fix schedule change, etc. -- but it's probably the most rational, pragmatic approach to our current situation -- hoping for incremental improvement over time, the way it normally happens when we're on an uptick. I just hope we're on an uptick.

But still, I like MT.org . . . so , , , if we could just find another Dana and another Lee, Bedford, and Turner, we'd be great with what we already have! Don't we have a coach without a contract and three schollies open if Dedric leaves? C'mon, ambassadors, make it happen!

The Opie hangover has everyone out of patience.......

You might be right backer, but take me for example. Opie, as you call him, me wonder boy, I couldn't stand Josh. Throwing out the Tic and Johnny Show, he's by far my least favorite coach. I was extremely happy when GT came and got him. That said, yes josh wore my patience out but the second he was out of here my patience was restored. Just the news of a coach you can't stand anymore getting fired or pushed out should energize ones excitement for the program again.

That was an awesome post by MTigerBlue.

(03-15-2017 07:39 PM)roachman48 Wrote:  IMHO, one thing we lack is some of that traditional memphis athleticism from the past.
J Martin's speed while driving to the basket is the closest thing this group has to that athleticism.
Martin made improvement this season.
And, i look forward to his being a part of our improvement next season.

That's a big part of what's missing. How long since we've seen a well executed alley-oop. Wasn't happening with this group. Offense is built around the Lawsons at the 3 & 4, and that ain't their game. Markel showed some early and mid season, but reverted badly. Jeremiah just wasn't ready yet.

Just posted in another thread that I did a quick comparison of JM's stats against Pookie and Charlie Moore this year. JM compares favorably. Work hard this summer and he'll be ready next year.