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I agree with you on the freshman comments. It's used as an excuse quite a bit. Jimmy Hall had freshman issues but you never doubted he would be a good player. There are exceptions but you can tell pretty early if you have something or not 90% of the time. That's in all sports not just basketball.

(02-27-2017 01:54 PM)fallsdog Wrote:  I don't know, it seems like the blanket statements about potential can be made about every freshman on every Division I roster in the United States.

I appreciate the observations of fans, especially those who attend games on a regular basis and actually get to see what is taking place on the bench, during warmups, after things go right, after things go wrong. You know....game situations that you aren't going to observe via twitter feeds.

As far as twisting peoples words about players that were clearly in regards to basketball sense and IQ...that I have a problem with.

BEAT BG!

I admit that I made a poor choice of words. I do not blame anyone of taking my words out of context (like politicians do). My words were poorly selected and I apologize for that statement. The bulk of my post referred to the team and its development and maturity during the season. This type of statement is not out of character for me and I stand behind it. After reflecting on the statement in regards to Pippen, I am sorry and I went too far. After all, He is one of ours and appears to have good physical ability. I expect to be in the stands at BUGS and hope that I get to cheer loudly for Pippen's play in the court. Thank you everyone except Dannie for, in a classy way, helping me mold my decorum in a more non offensive way.

(02-27-2017 02:10 PM)burden Wrote:  I agree with you on the freshman comments. It's used as an excuse quite a bit. Jimmy Hall had freshman issues but you never doubted he would be a good player. There are exceptions but you can tell pretty early if you have something or not 90% of the time. That's in all sports not just basketball.

Agree, though 90% may be a bit high, but not far off.

And I would say that in Peterson Kent seems to have an it factor guy with a nose for the basketball. A guy who is aware of the game...if you will. I find some of the comparisons of Peterson and players of Kent interesting. I look at him and see a Cutley or maybe a Lawrence.

To shift the subject a bit, did anyone else see OU's coach ask the officials to reprimand one of our courtside fans for heckling his players. He evidently then confronted the fan after the game as well and then the entire incident was written about in a MASSIVE sour grapes column in the Athens paper.

Memo to Mr. Phillips and the kittens:

This is Division I collegiate basketball. Not CYO league. If you can't handle the heat on the road what kind of DI athlete are you?

I agree 100% however many people do not. I found it strange Saturday when they brought about 100 athletes on to the floor praising them for having 3.00 plus GPAs. I'm not stupid and as a former college student I realize that is important. But the fact 100 were out there seems to indicate that most students who try can achieve that goal. As they were doing this, they mentioned one of our soccer players was the first Athletic All-American in Kents soccer history. Maybe I'm wrong but I feel that was the accomplishment that should have been honored. But that's just me. It seems we worry more about hurting someone's feelings than just going out and playing the sport to win.

(02-27-2017 02:10 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 01:54 PM)fallsdog Wrote:  I don't know, it seems like the blanket statements about potential can be made about every freshman on every Division I roster in the United States.

I appreciate the observations of fans, especially those who attend games on a regular basis and actually get to see what is taking place on the bench, during warmups, after things go right, after things go wrong. You know....game situations that you aren't going to observe via twitter feeds.

As far as twisting peoples words about players that were clearly in regards to basketball sense and IQ...that I have a problem with.

BEAT BG!

I admit that I made a poor choice of words. I do not blame anyone of taking my words out of context (like politicians do). My words were poorly selected and I apologize for that statement. The bulk of my post referred to the team and its development and maturity during the season. This type of statement is not out of character for me and I stand behind it. After reflecting on the statement in regards to Pippen, I am sorry and I went too far. After all, He is one of ours and appears to have good physical ability. I expect to be in the stands at BUGS and hope that I get to cheer loudly for Pippen's play in the court. Thank you everyone except Dannie for, in a classy way, helping me mold my decorum in a more non offensive way.

Just to lighten things up I was at a wrestling meet this year and turned to a fan and I said I knew it was going to be bad this year but never thought it would be this bad. The fan said to me but they are all freshman (not quite true but close enough). I told him Kilgore, Ian Miller, McGuire, Small, etc were all freshman who made the NCAA tournament as freshman. Of course he was a parent of one of the freshman wrestlers. Oops!! Your foot goes directly in your mouth occasionally. It happens.

Fallsdog, I stated a few days ago that Peterson reminded me of Huffman in that aspect, but people jumped all over me. Yes, Cutley and also Eric Thomas and Rod Sherman.

(02-26-2017 03:11 PM)JSF Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 08:48 PM)fallsdog Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 06:49 PM)JSF Wrote:  Starting four guards seems like the opposite of what you'd want to do.

beat akron with a similar strategy. too bad the flashes can't shoot tonight....and too bad the bobcats can't hold a lead!

My point was you beat Ohio by beating them up inside, which is pretty much what happened.

First off, I think you're confusing lineups with game plans. Hall is more effective inside when there's not another post plugging up the lane (or at least it's Pippen who can stretch the floor a little). So going to a four guard lineup hardly means we're forgoing the post game.

Second, going to a four guard line up let's us put someone on Kaminski that can play him tight and not let him get comfortable looks. If Kaminski doesn't have a good night shooting the three it's a pretty good bet he'll contribute absolutely nothing.

And lastly, when you say "you beat Ohio by beating them inside, which is pretty much what happened." I think I'm going to need some clarification on this. OU won points in the paint 28-24... I would argue that you beat OU by defending the three point arc (they lead the MAC in 3p%). So if our four guard lineup defends the arc better, then it gives us a better chance to win then playing a second big to score more inside and giving up open corner threes.

(02-27-2017 02:59 PM)JimJoyce Wrote:  To shift the subject a bit, did anyone else see OU's coach ask the officials to reprimand one of our courtside fans for heckling his players. He evidently then confronted the fan after the game as well and then the entire incident was written about in a MASSIVE sour grapes column in the Athens paper.

Memo to Mr. Phillips and the kittens:

This is Division I collegiate basketball. Not CYO league. If you can't handle the heat on the road what kind of DI athlete are you?

Got a link?

As someone who has watched Kent vs OU for nearly half a century, the continuing arrogance of OU players, students, and alumni never fails to amaze me. You'd think they went to Harvard the way they act, instead of just another mediocre state school.

(02-27-2017 07:18 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 03:11 PM)JSF Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 08:48 PM)fallsdog Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 06:49 PM)JSF Wrote:  Starting four guards seems like the opposite of what you'd want to do.

beat akron with a similar strategy. too bad the flashes can't shoot tonight....and too bad the bobcats can't hold a lead!

My point was you beat Ohio by beating them up inside, which is pretty much what happened.

First off, I think you're confusing lineups with game plans. Hall is more effective inside when there's not another post plugging up the lane (or at least it's Pippen who can stretch the floor a little). So going to a four guard lineup hardly means we're forgoing the post game.

Second, going to a four guard line up let's us put someone on Kaminski that can play him tight and not let him get comfortable looks. If Kaminski doesn't have a good night shooting the three it's a pretty good bet he'll contribute absolutely nothing.

And lastly, when you say "you beat Ohio by beating them inside, which is pretty much what happened." I think I'm going to need some clarification on this. OU won points in the paint 28-24... I would argue that you beat OU by defending the three point arc (they lead the MAC in 3p%). So if our four guard lineup defends the arc better, then it gives us a better chance to win then playing a second big to score more inside and giving up open corner threes.

Here is where our personnel is being used to an advantage. You must be counting Peterson as a guard which is probably going to be his natural position. His playing role has morphed into a 3-4 by playing from deep corner to flashing the paint and seemingly being in position for help defense and rebounds. I think that JH really likes receiving passes from Mitch as they have good chemistry. At 6'-5, Mitch also has more flexibly to defend various players. I know that we will probably always think of him as a guard. Believe me, his shooting will come around as he gets more plays drawn up for his offense. Probably next year.

Peterson needs to become a better shooter if he's really going to help us. 28% from 3 ain't really getting it done. He gets a lot of wide-open looks. Nothing 1000 jumpers a day can't cure, though! To the gym!

(02-27-2017 02:59 PM)JimJoyce Wrote:  To shift the subject a bit, did anyone else see OU's coach ask the officials to reprimand one of our courtside fans for heckling his players. He evidently then confronted the fan after the game as well and then the entire incident was written about in a MASSIVE sour grapes column in the Athens paper.

Memo to Mr. Phillips and the kittens:

This is Division I collegiate basketball. Not CYO league. If you can't handle the heat on the road what kind of DI athlete are you?

What kind of D1 athlete is Saul Phillips? He's not, he's a coach. When he was an athlete he was DIII. Hope that helps.

Kentville, over the last 60 years I've met and known countless people from OU. Many were great people, and also many were as you describe. As a graduate of Kent State, class of 1967, I can also say that I never met people like so many Kent grads that are almost apologetic about having gone to Kent State and bash their own alma mater so much. It has been my experience that, in general, people are, for all intents and purposes, who they think they are.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=tZnwz8Jqn9E

(02-27-2017 09:07 AM)luckyflash Wrote:  Pippen is a FRESHMAN, some good some bad, the talent is there. same with Peterson, more good then bad, but just not consistent. It will come, you can see they both have the talent to play at this level.

Just to compare - Pippen so far has played 269 minutes, 71 rebounds, and 82 points...

Justin Greene [2011 MAC POY as a junior], as a freshman, played 273 minutes, 55 rebounds, and 65 points.

I wouldn't say he's on track for a POY, but he has potential. 39% shooting, though, needs to improve. Greene had 55% shooting. If you just take 2 point shots, he's 22 for 46, at 47.8%. I'd say he has more potential than Marquiez Lawrence had

(02-27-2017 08:29 PM)Kentville Wrote:  As someone who has watched Kent vs OU for nearly half a century, the continuing arrogance of OU players, students, and alumni never fails to amaze me. You'd think they went to Harvard the way they act, instead of just another mediocre state school.

I hate their 'we win, you lose' cheer. Total lack of class.

After UA, I most enjoy beating OU and Miami. This year, we took 3 of 4.

(02-28-2017 02:49 PM)fordflash25 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 08:29 PM)Kentville Wrote:  As someone who has watched Kent vs OU for nearly half a century, the continuing arrogance of OU players, students, and alumni never fails to amaze me. You'd think they went to Harvard the way they act, instead of just another mediocre state school.

I hate their 'we win, you lose' cheer. Total lack of class.

After UA, I most enjoy beating OU and Miami. This year, we took 3 of 4.

Might as well count UA too. 4 of 5!

(02-28-2017 02:49 PM)fordflash25 Wrote:  

(02-27-2017 08:29 PM)Kentville Wrote:  As someone who has watched Kent vs OU for nearly half a century, the continuing arrogance of OU players, students, and alumni never fails to amaze me. You'd think they went to Harvard the way they act, instead of just another mediocre state school.

I hate their 'we win, you lose' cheer. Total lack of class.

After UA, I most enjoy beating OU and Miami. This year, we took 3 of 4.

I went to the Ohio game earlier this year, and yes, I hated that chant I heard at the end of the game. "Winning team, losing team. Winning team, losing team..."

Well, like Negan, we shut that sh*t down! I thoroughly enjoyed watching Kaminski struggle though. What was it he said that post game press conference? About championship teams? Ha!

(02-27-2017 07:18 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  And lastly, when you say "you beat Ohio by beating them inside, which is pretty much what happened." I think I'm going to need some clarification on this.

Kent shot a ton more free throws. That doesn't show up as paint points and many of them were earned inside the arc.

(02-27-2017 08:29 PM)Kentville Wrote:  As someone who has watched Kent vs OU for nearly half a century, the continuing arrogance of OU players, students, and alumni never fails to amaze me. You'd think they went to Harvard the way they act, instead of just another mediocre state school.

Harvard on the Hocking, baby!