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Libs like yourself RWT and Johnny 0 encourage voter fraud
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RE: Non-citizens found voting in Ohio investigation
(02-27-2017 11:59 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  
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(02-27-2017 11:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 10:39 AM)fsquid Wrote:  82 / 5,536,528 = .001481%

That's potentially 82 US citizens that had their votes cancelled by illegals. Doesn't matter the percentage, it's still too many.

the percentage absolutely matters. nothing in life is perfect and to strive for the unrealistic goal of perfection to turn 99.999% into 100% has worse consequences than the .001%

At what percentage would a voter fraud situation be valid? How imperfect is too imperfect?

it's never valid. it's a question of "more harm than good" resulting from a fix.

look at the field of medicine. people die from a penicillin shot. a very very small amount but people do die. you can say "oh that's bad let's fix that" but any fix is only going to result in more deaths rather than saving lives.

one must concede that nothing is perfect.
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RE: Non-citizens found voting in Ohio investigation
(02-27-2017 11:59 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 10:39 AM)fsquid Wrote:  82 / 5,536,528 = .001481%

That's potentially 82 US citizens that had their votes cancelled by illegals. Doesn't matter the percentage, it's still too many.

But having the electoral college basically cancel the votes of 3 million urban Clinton voters.....that's okay, right?


How so Tom? Link?
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(02-27-2017 11:56 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:46 AM)fsquid Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  That's potentially 82 US citizens that had their votes cancelled by illegals. Doesn't matter the percentage, it's still too many.

You do realize that a world where zero voter fraud occurs is not realistic or really possible, don't you?

According to many in here, zero voter fraud already exists in the US.


You do believe the US should try to eliminate as much illegal voting activity as possible, don't you?

depends on how much it will cost you to make that small percentage zero.

good to know your vote can be bought.

I would have gladly sold it back in Nov if someone wanted to pay.
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Every American should be concerned about illegal voting.

The integrity of the system in the minds of the public is perhaps the most important part of our democracy.
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(02-27-2017 11:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It's also important to remember that these voters are still only alleged to have voted illegally. They have not been criminally investigated as of yet.

It is entirely possible that at least some of them were actually US citizens, but that the records are in error.

Its possible. But they wouldn't have referred them to law enforcement if that was likely.

Its important to remember that you are a card carrying water carrier for the Democrats denying anything that challenges their orthodoxy.
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(02-27-2017 12:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Every American should be concerned about illegal voting.

The integrity of the system in the minds of the public is perhaps the most important part of our democracy.

Democrats don't care as long as they win. The ends justify the means.
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(02-27-2017 12:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 12:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Every American should be concerned about illegal voting.

The integrity of the system in the minds of the public is perhaps the most important part of our democracy.

Democrats don't care as long as they win. The ends justify the means.

It sure seems to look that way.

The moral crusade so many feel they are on justifies anything they do.
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(02-27-2017 10:28 AM)john01992 Wrote:  again: this wouldn't have been stopped via photo ID.

Well then What would be the problem with requiring Photo ID everywhere on elections ? There really is No excuse to not prove Whom You are when voting. in today's day and age when ID theft and thousands of legals and Illegals using, stealing and buying other peoples identity You need a State issued Photo ID that can't be altered by another group or persons.
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(02-27-2017 12:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:01 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  It's also important to remember that these voters are still only alleged to have voted illegally. They have not been criminally investigated as of yet.

It is entirely possible that at least some of them were actually US citizens, but that the records are in error.

Its possible. But they wouldn't have referred them to law enforcement if that was likely.

Its important to remember that you are a card carrying water carrier for the Democrats denying anything that challenges their orthodoxy.

The Secretary of the State of Ohio is not qualified to make determinations on US Citizenship. That's why they were referred to law enforcement. Until people are charged, it's nothing more than common sense to wait for final determinations to be made.

We've seen this before where mistakes are made in regards to voter rolls. It's only prudent.

And to your second sentence, not only is it a pathetic personal attack, it's just plain factually wrong. I have no love at all for the Democratic party. If you can't engage in a calm and rational discussion without the name calling and innuendo, perhaps you shouldn't?

Nobody wants illegals to vote. Where we disagree is on how we arrive at that. To the left, it needs to be done to minimize disenfranchisement. To the right, it seems more and more clear that their motive is to squelch democrat votes. There's ample evidence of this and it's been cited time and time again on this board.

Just last week, the state GOP chair in Montana tried to block a bill to allow the counties to use a mail in ballot for a special election to replace their lone US Representative should he be confirmed to the Trump cabinet. They came right out and said that the reason is fear that too many democrats would vote.

And the sad part in this, is that the mail in ballots would save the counties much needed money. It's interesting when the GOP suddenly doesn't care about the bottom line.

Quote:State GOP Chairman and Rep. Jeff Essmann sent party members an “emergency chairman’s report on the long-term negative impact” of mail ballot elections on the state Republican Party.

Essmann argued that all-mail ballots “give the Democrats an inherent advantage in close elections due to their ability to organizes large numbers of unpaid college students and members of public employee unions to gather ballots by going door to door.”

“If they succeed in this effort this time they will use it as an example of success and will work to make it a permanent Democrat advantage,” he said.
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One ILLEGAL vote is one too many.
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(02-27-2017 11:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 10:39 AM)fsquid Wrote:  82 / 5,536,528 = .001481%

That's potentially 82 US citizens that had their votes cancelled by illegals. Doesn't matter the percentage, it's still too many.

You do realize that a world where zero voter fraud occurs is not realistic or really possible, don't you?

According to many in here, zero voter fraud already exists in the US.


You do believe the US should try to eliminate as much illegal voting activity as possible, don't you?

No. As w/ almost any question (voter fraud, pollution, crime, etc), we should eliminate as much of the evil as possible so long as the benefit >= the cost of elimination one more until of the evil.
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(02-27-2017 11:46 AM)fsquid Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:13 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 10:39 AM)fsquid Wrote:  82 / 5,536,528 = .001481%

That's potentially 82 US citizens that had their votes cancelled by illegals. Doesn't matter the percentage, it's still too many.

You do realize that a world where zero voter fraud occurs is not realistic or really possible, don't you?

According to many in here, zero voter fraud already exists in the US.


You do believe the US should try to eliminate as much illegal voting activity as possible, don't you?

depends on how much it will cost you to make that small percentage zero.

Yup
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(02-27-2017 11:59 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 10:39 AM)fsquid Wrote:  82 / 5,536,528 = .001481%

That's potentially 82 US citizens that had their votes cancelled by illegals. Doesn't matter the percentage, it's still too many.

But having the electoral college basically cancel the votes of 3 million urban Clinton voters.....that's okay, right?

The founding fathers thought so. Too bad they weren't as enlighted as you.
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(02-27-2017 11:59 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 10:39 AM)fsquid Wrote:  82 / 5,536,528 = .001481%

That's potentially 82 US citizens that had their votes cancelled by illegals. Doesn't matter the percentage, it's still too many.

But having the electoral college basically cancel the votes of 3 million urban Clinton voters.....that's okay, right?

And you'll give a **** about that right up it's changed, Republicans run a popular vote style campaign and win. Then you'll be screaming about how we shouldn't have abandoned the electoral college.
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(02-27-2017 11:59 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 10:39 AM)fsquid Wrote:  82 / 5,536,528 = .001481%

That's potentially 82 US citizens that had their votes cancelled by illegals. Doesn't matter the percentage, it's still too many.

But having the electoral college basically cancel the votes of 3 million urban Clinton voters.....that's okay, right?

That never happened. #Fakenews
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(02-27-2017 12:06 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Every American should be concerned about illegal voting.

The integrity of the system in the minds of the public is perhaps the most important part of our democracy.

This. When people have the feeling that an election was rigged, nothing but crap results from it. It makes it much more difficult to accept the results and move on. The lefties rioting is a prime example.
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(02-27-2017 04:27 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:59 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 10:39 AM)fsquid Wrote:  82 / 5,536,528 = .001481%

That's potentially 82 US citizens that had their votes cancelled by illegals. Doesn't matter the percentage, it's still too many.

But having the electoral college basically cancel the votes of 3 million urban Clinton voters.....that's okay, right?

And you'll give a **** about that right up it's changed, Republicans run a popular vote style campaign and win. Then you'll be screaming about how we shouldn't have abandoned the electoral college.

The founding fathers wouldn't recognize today's EC. It has been so heavily altered since their time that it is incomparable.
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RE: Non-citizens found voting in Ohio investigation
(02-27-2017 04:27 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:59 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 11:04 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(02-27-2017 10:39 AM)fsquid Wrote:  82 / 5,536,528 = .001481%

That's potentially 82 US citizens that had their votes cancelled by illegals. Doesn't matter the percentage, it's still too many.

But having the electoral college basically cancel the votes of 3 million urban Clinton voters.....that's okay, right?

And you'll give a **** about that right up it's changed, Republicans run a popular vote style campaign and win. Then you'll be screaming about how we shouldn't have abandoned the electoral college.

Kinda like how the GOP were bashing the EC in 2012 but now defend it?
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The left's butthurt over the EC is so awesome! I love it!
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