Quote:Is there a civil war in the USA?

Most people’s initial response is probably a firm “No.” We all tend to think of civil war as it was way back in 1861- 1865. The pro-slavery Democratic South vs. the anti-slavery Republican North headed by the great President Abraham Lincoln.

I’m over simplifying, to be sure. And thankfully, we came together after much hardship and many, many deaths (it’s often forgotten that 750,000 people died in the civil war—more casualties than in WW1 and WW2 combined).

But nevertheless, I believe we are in a civil war today. This time, it is between left and right. But it’s not limited to America this time—it’s happening also throughout the Western world.

The divide is between globalism and nationalism, progressives and conservatives, big government and small government, pro-life and pro-choice, those in favor of open borders and those who want restricted, legal immigration.

Dennis Prager agrees. As he wrote on his website: “Americans are more divided morally, ideologically and politically today than they were during the Civil War. Unity was possible between the right and liberals, but not between the right and the left.”

He continued: “Like the left in every other country, the left in America essentially sees America as a racist, xenophobic, colonialist, imperialist, warmongering, money-worshipping, moronically religious nation. Without any important value held in common, how can there be unity between left and non-left? There will be unity only when the left vanquishes the right or the right vanquishes the left. Using the First Civil War analogy, American unity was achieved only after the South was vanquished and slavery was abolished.”

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No. The weak arse cuck men, hipsters, and metrosexuals on the left would never take up arms.

We need to decentralize or devolve power from the federal government back to the states or alternatively allow states to secede. Otherwise, yes a civil war is possible. The most likely form being prosecution by the federal government against dissenters.

No, but there is a new level of annoying from both sides.

We can't predict what's going to come of this phase though.

Not an armed conflict but a breakup of the country is looking likely, starting with Calexit.

Feels like it, but I agree with Ever that libcucks are unlikely to ever actually take up arms. Even if they did, with their bullet buttons and 5-round magazines, they would be defeated within hours.

Does the civil war have to be an actual war as we know it? Guns and stuff. Or could this be a figurative civil war?

We couldn't have a conventional war because we live among each other and our lives involve each other more than you'd think.

But I do have to say that if the country did split (who knows how that would work) things we enjoy now like free speech would be part of the past on both/all sides. We'd also have a level of totalitarianism that we've never experienced.

No because this is not a divide among states or areas. Like the Civil War the North was very different from the South. Where today it seems more rural vs Metro areas and young verse old.

As much as I hate to say this, it will take a major incident to bring this country together to get people to come back to the middle. The extremes on each side will keep pushing the envelope till it explodes.. then the middle will step in to bring this country back together.

(02-26-2017 05:53 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Does the civil war have to be an actual war as we know it? Guns and stuff. Or could this be a figurative civil war?

We couldn't have a conventional war because we live among each other and our lives involve each other more than you'd think.

But I do have to say that if the country did split (who knows how that would work) things we enjoy now like free speech would be part of the past on both/all sides. We'd also have a level of totalitarianism that we've never experienced.

More of an ideological civil war IMO.

I think that there is a real danger that sporadic violence could occur. Not a war per se but real urban combat from disaffected blacks and Hispanics, responded to by militarized police and possibly national guard troops.

Another possibility is if some far right skin heads decide to crash some anti-Trump demonstrations.

These would further polarize the country.

(02-26-2017 06:23 PM)Greenroom Wrote:  No because this is not a divide among states or areas. Like the Civil War the North was very different from the South. Where today it seems more rural vs Metro areas and young verse old.

As much as I hate to say this, it will take a major incident to bring this country together to get people to come back to the middle. The extremes on each side will keep pushing the envelope till it explodes.. then the middle will step in to bring this country back together.

I think you're conflating the two. I agree about the extreme/far left (you see it with the infighting going on in the Democratic party), but what is the extreme right you speak of? The 500 or so members of the KKK, that have zero platform/role in the GOP?

Quote:Resist La Résistance

Bonjour, Mon Amie. Joindre La Résistance. The first thing you should do is buy a beret and stock up for living in the forest to fight the enemy. Come join the battle with me.

First, we must analyze how the Left has arrived at the idea that they should use civil disobedience as their answer to being a minority of Americans that has lost control of government at virtually every level except for the large cities they so destructively control.

Saying they are resisting is bad enough. Calling themselves “the Resistance” may have occurred by happenstance or a byproduct of their normal marketing. After all, the real resistance, the French underground, which fought the Nazis after their government did nothing to stop the military buildup of Germany leading to World War II, collapsed in about 42 days during the invasion by the Germans and then formed the Vichy government which acquiesced to the Germans.

But the bigger point is that the Left classifies anyone who disputes their desire for America to become a socialist, centrally controlled society as Nazis. To them mainstream Republicans are Nazis. It is particularly rich because The Left riots, burns buildings, attacks people, shuts down the speech of people they oppose and then they call Republicans Nazis. How does that work? Guess they never read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich by William Shirer. Those were the tactics of the Nazis and then when they burned the Reichstag they blamed others and seized control.

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I don't think we'll see one part of the country line up and shoot at the other side, but I could see pockets of local/state government-sponsored disobedience to the Federal government, such as California coming to blows with the Feds or Chicago basically telling the rest of Illinois to get lost. The end result to the average citizen will be constant harassment, confusion, and the possibility of shortages for food, fuel, water, electricity,, and supplies.

If chaos became widespread, someone like China or Russia may try to invade, or an organization like ISIS pulls off a devastating attack while we're busy having a melt down.

I think we're more on the verge of a revolution than a civil war. There isn't enough regionalism for a civil war to occur. Now who actually fights the government or which sides are at the forefront is currently unknown.

No.

No. There isn't a civil war. There is political disagreement - like always - but there is no civil war, nor will there be one.

IMHO, the disagreement isn't a matter of left vs right. It's primarily over whether we should have a meritocracy (free trade, open borders, open society, free press, etc) or a kakistocracy ($15+ minimum wage, tariffs, border wall, xenophobia, ____ group matters movements, etc).

I think that the global kakistocracy movement scored some major wins in 2016, but those gains are unlikely to be permanent.

Only 50% of the South supported secession prior to the civil war. And that was over an issue far more ingrained in southern life, critical to the economy, and motivated by prejudices than any 2017 political issue.

Yet the revolution had only 1/3 of the people supporting it and that caused a war. So I think CP hit the nail on the head

(02-26-2017 06:41 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-26-2017 06:23 PM)Greenroom Wrote:  No because this is not a divide among states or areas. Like the Civil War the North was very different from the South. Where today it seems more rural vs Metro areas and young verse old.

As much as I hate to say this, it will take a major incident to bring this country together to get people to come back to the middle. The extremes on each side will keep pushing the envelope till it explodes.. then the middle will step in to bring this country back together.

I think you're conflating the two. I agree about the extreme/far left (you see it with the infighting going on in the Democratic party), but what is the extreme right you speak of? The 500 or so members of the KKK, that have zero platform/role in the GOP?

Sorry but the GOP has the same issues as the Dem's. as someone who is in the middle and cannot stand either side right now. the political hacks we have in office today are jokes. Whats funny is President Reagan, President HW Bush and even President Clinton would not win today because they worked with the other side. That is a damn shame.

It would require an actual rift within the military...don't see that happening. A bunch of feminists, BLM activists, and college students aren't going to take up arms and try to fight the government.

(02-26-2017 05:20 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  We need to decentralize or devolve power from the federal government back to the states or alternatively allow states to secede. Otherwise, yes a civil war is possible. The most likely form being prosecution by the federal government against dissenters.

Actually we just need to go to a popular vote for Congress and the Presidency.