If the B12 could get UT buyin, adding BYU & SDST for football only and VCU & Dayton for Hoops & Olympic sports would be a home run.

1) BYU largest private U that plays D1 football huge national fan base
2) SDST, largest U in the MWC in the largsst market, plays in the largest staqdium and the NFL team is leaving town.
3) Dayton puts the Big 12 in Ohio and Dayton is one of the top drawing Non Power conference hoops programs
4) VCU puts the Big12 in VA, gives WVA 2 close rivals in non football sports and is another one of the top draws among non Powere hoops programs, also has the 3rd largest enrollment among D1 programs in the state

B12 footprint is greatly expanded addiing a national presence in BYU plus Californnia, VA & OH

(02-13-2017 09:36 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 08:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  Next realignment will be a re-shuffling of the G5. Probably involves the AAC and then the MWC going to 14, followed by the MAC.

I think that's possible. I also think the P5 could still break away from the NCAA, or form their own division. Either way, it will include basketball, throwing the current NCAA BB structure into turmoil.

That also could mean the P5 expands a bit before any possible breakaway, at least 72, maybe 80.

Very possible!
Look 4 one of these network groups; Fox/NBC/CBS/ABC-ESPN, 2 offer & promote a "pro" type contract w/ a combo of various P5 teams &/or conferences 2 formalize an official (Minor f-ball) P5 League, where a P5 "commissioner-or committee" oversee the new league (Control their own revenue, recruiting, jurisdiction, playoffs, etc.)

(02-13-2017 01:21 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 09:36 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 08:14 PM)bullet Wrote:  Next realignment will be a re-shuffling of the G5. Probably involves the AAC and then the MWC going to 14, followed by the MAC.

I think that's possible. I also think the P5 could still break away from the NCAA, or form their own division. Either way, it will include basketball, throwing the current NCAA BB structure into turmoil.

That also could mean the P5 expands a bit before any possible breakaway, at least 72, maybe 80.

Very possible!
Look 4 one of these network groups; Fox/NBC/CBS/ABC-ESPN, 2 offer & promote a "pro" type contract w/ a combo of various P5 teams &/or conferences 2 formalize an official (Minor f-ball) P5 League, where a P5 "commissioner-or committee" oversee the new league (Control their own revenue, recruiting, jurisdiction, playoffs, etc.)

It would be ideal (particularly for teams who are on the bubble of being a P5), but if I may ask....

Why would the SEC or B10 go for it? Seems to me those two conferences have the advantage of extra revenue and exposure over the other power five conferences. Surely the proposed league you are speaking of would have revenue sharing (ie. everyone makes the same) like the NFL.

(02-13-2017 12:07 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I like the move of the PAC 12 to take ou, ok state, ku and k state...keeps it clean politically, let's the PAC 12 move into the central time zone with 2 big brands and forces Texas hand.

We already know that won't work because it's been tried. When OU and Ok St wanted into the Pac-12 a few years ago, Larry Scott approached UT, and UT said, "We're staying here for now, even if those two leave." UT athletics has a massive institutional ego, which, frankly, is largely justified by their money and outsized fan following. They didn't allow a loudmouthed politician like Boren to drag them from one conference to another before, and they're not going to allow it now. If UT moves, they will move because it was their decision and not something they were forced into.

I don't follow anything outside of FBS and the top 2 BBall conferences (BE & A-10). With that being said I think the next move will be either sun belt shedding it's BBall schools or nothing until the Big XII GoR comes close to and end and the Big XII Bang as i'm calling it occurs and all the pieces get flung to the four corners of the power conferences.

UT, Houston, OSU and T. Tech to the Pac; KU and OU to the B1G, TCU and WVU to the SEC.

The PAC won't take KU, KSU, OU, and OSU. There is neither the academic nor population base to justify this.

The B1G has been the first actor in realignment shakeups for a long time now. An alternative to the Missouri move:

B1G takes Washington, Oregon, Cal, Stanford. Arizona, ASU, Utah, and Colorado to reach 24 functioning as two separate conferences:
B1G
East: UMD, RU, PSU, OSU, Mich, MSU
West: IU, Purdue, ILL, NW, UMN, Wisc
PAC
East: Iowa, Neb, CU, UU, AZ, ASU
West: UW, UO, Cal, Furd, USC, UCLA

(02-13-2017 01:17 PM)Policiious Wrote:  If the B12 could get UT buyin, adding BYU & SDST for football only and VCU & Dayton for Hoops & Olympic sports would be a home run.

1) BYU largest private U that plays D1 football huge national fan base
2) SDST, largest U in the MWC in the largsst market, plays in the largest staqdium and the NFL team is leaving town.
3) Dayton puts the Big 12 in Ohio and Dayton is one of the top drawing Non Power conference hoops programs
4) VCU puts the Big12 in VA, gives WVA 2 close rivals in non football sports and is another one of the top draws among non Powere hoops programs, also has the 3rd largest enrollment among D1 programs in the state

B12 footprint is greatly expanded addiing a national presence in BYU plus Californnia, VA & OH

Aside from BYU I doubt any of those schools would even get an interview. Certainly not Dayton or VCU.

I'm all for having fun with these scenarios but when Dayton, VCU, and Big 12 are mentioned together we need to get back to something a bit more realistic. That's no slight on those schools at all as I have no doubt they are great but it simply would never be a good fit for either side.

(02-13-2017 02:33 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  The PAC won't take KU, KSU, OU, and OSU. There is neither the academic nor population base to justify this.

The B1G has been the first actor in realignment shakeups for a long time now. An alternative to the Missouri move:

B1G takes Washington, Oregon, Cal, Stanford. Arizona, ASU, Utah, and Colorado to reach 24 functioning as two separate conferences:
B1G
East: UMD, RU, PSU, OSU, Mich, MSU
West: IU, Purdue, ILL, NW, UMN, Wisc
PAC
East: Iowa, Neb, CU, UU, AZ, ASU
West: UW, UO, Cal, Furd, USC, UCLA

Population base means nothing. PAC has all the population it could ever want but they dont' watch PAC sports.

To put this in perspective the PAC CCG with its entire footprint barely beat a regular season in state rivalry game in Oklahoma as far as TV ratings. Throw population out the window and focus on TV viewership. Big 12 blows the PAC 12 away in TV viewers and in attendance. Over 7k per game.

PAC would be lucky to get ISU, KU, KSU, OU, OSU, and one of TT/TCU/Houston. The old Big 8 schools have much larger fanbases than PAC schools do. ISU for example has better combined attendance for FB, BB, and WBB than anyone in the PAC. Those are the fanbases that force TV providers to carry the PACN.

(02-13-2017 02:33 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  The PAC won't take KU, KSU, OU, and OSU. There is neither the academic nor population base to justify this.

The B1G has been the first actor in realignment shakeups for a long time now. An alternative to the Missouri move:

B1G takes Washington, Oregon, Cal, Stanford. Arizona, ASU, Utah, and Colorado to reach 24 functioning as two separate conferences:
B1G
East: UMD, RU, PSU, OSU, Mich, MSU
West: IU, Purdue, ILL, NW, UMN, Wisc
PAC
East: Iowa, Neb, CU, UU, AZ, ASU
West: UW, UO, Cal, Furd, USC, UCLA

I can't speak for Nebraska but Iowa would never go for that.

You need to throw in 4 schools from the Big 12.

The Big 28 Conference

east
RUT, MD, PSU, OhioSt, Mich, MichSt, Indy

North
Neb, Iowa, Minn, Wisc, NW, ILL, Pur

South
Tex, TT, Ok, Kan, Col, Utah, Ariz St

West
Wash, Ore, Cal, Stan, USC, UCLA, Ariz

(02-13-2017 11:55 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  So what happens West Virginia, Iowa State,Texas,Texas Tech, TCU and Baylor ?

Those schools wouldn't want to dissolve the conference, but I do think that Texas would then want an ACC-type deal for Olympic sports and football scheduling and leave the Big 12 - leaving WVU, ISU, TT, TCU and BU behind.

In that scenario, and under the Big 12 umbrella, I think those five schools add seven to get back to 12 and try and maintain a P5 conference.

New Big 12
Baylor
Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
Houston
Iowa State
Memphis
TCU
Texas Tech
UCF
USF
West Virginia

The correct answer ends up being "Atlantic Sun women's lacrosse splits into two conferences"

How did we all miss THAT?

(02-13-2017 12:07 PM)bluesox Wrote:  I like the move of the PAC 12 to take ou, ok state, ku and k state...keeps it clean politically, let's the PAC 12 move into the central time zone with 2 big brands and forces Texas hand. The PAC 12 would be OK at 16 but the end game would be 18-20 with Texas and friends.

I really think with OU, OSU and either TT or TCU you the PAC would get North Texas. Just becasue there is a river between Oklahoma and Texas doesn't mean that those schools don't have huge alumni bases (Aside from TCU) in DFW.

I really think TCU might have an advantage over TT in that scenario. Playing in DFW is much better than Lubbock. It also makes travel very reasonable as teams can fly in for a TCU game and then jump on a bus to get more games in Norman or Stillwater. Stillwater offers direct flights back to Dallas.

Adding 6 teams keeps divisions intact and also gives some flexibility for keeping travel reasonable. There is no political mess as in that scenario the Big 12 schools could simply blame Texas for not being willing to expand or to have a conference network. Boren comes out and says he had no choice but to look out for the best interest of OU. Other 5 presidents do the same. PAC network gets picked up by all major carriers and suddenly becomes valuable.

Then ESPN can clean up the mess with UT, WVU and whoever else they want in the ACC. LHN becomes ACCN outside Texas.

(02-13-2017 02:44 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 02:33 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  The PAC won't take KU, KSU, OU, and OSU. There is neither the academic nor population base to justify this.

The B1G has been the first actor in realignment shakeups for a long time now. An alternative to the Missouri move:

B1G takes Washington, Oregon, Cal, Stanford. Arizona, ASU, Utah, and Colorado to reach 24 functioning as two separate conferences:
B1G
East: UMD, RU, PSU, OSU, Mich, MSU
West: IU, Purdue, ILL, NW, UMN, Wisc
PAC
East: Iowa, Neb, CU, UU, AZ, ASU
West: UW, UO, Cal, Furd, USC, UCLA

I can't speak for Nebraska but Iowa would never go for that.

You need to throw in 4 schools from the Big 12.

The Big 28 Conference

east
RUT, MD, PSU, OhioSt, Mich, MichSt, Indy

North
Neb, Iowa, Minn, Wisc, NW, ILL, Pur

South
Tex, TT, Ok, Kan, Col, Utah, Ariz St

West
Wash, Ore, Cal, Stan, USC, UCLA, Ariz

That was step 2, and the Big Payout from step 1 is the lure :)

Step 3 (completion) adds UVA and UNC.
- Purdue+UVA+UNC to the Eastern 10.
- ASU, UU, CU to the Western 10
- UT, TTU, OU, KU, Neb, Iowa, ILL, NW, Wisc, UMN as the Central 10.

(02-13-2017 03:28 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 02:44 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 02:33 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  The PAC won't take KU, KSU, OU, and OSU. There is neither the academic nor population base to justify this.

The B1G has been the first actor in realignment shakeups for a long time now. An alternative to the Missouri move:

B1G takes Washington, Oregon, Cal, Stanford. Arizona, ASU, Utah, and Colorado to reach 24 functioning as two separate conferences:
B1G
East: UMD, RU, PSU, OSU, Mich, MSU
West: IU, Purdue, ILL, NW, UMN, Wisc
PAC
East: Iowa, Neb, CU, UU, AZ, ASU
West: UW, UO, Cal, Furd, USC, UCLA

I can't speak for Nebraska but Iowa would never go for that.

You need to throw in 4 schools from the Big 12.

The Big 28 Conference

east
RUT, MD, PSU, OhioSt, Mich, MichSt, Indy

North
Neb, Iowa, Minn, Wisc, NW, ILL, Pur

South
Tex, TT, Ok, Kan, Col, Utah, Ariz St

West
Wash, Ore, Cal, Stan, USC, UCLA, Ariz

That was step 2, and the Big Payout from step 1 is the lure :)

Step 3 (completion) adds UVA and UNC.
- Purdue+UVA+UNC to the Eastern 10.
- ASU, UU, CU to the Western 10
- UT, TTU, OU, KU, Neb, Iowa, ILL, NW, Wisc, UMN as the Central 10.

I like it. The Big 30.

Then the SEC and ND and remaining ACC minus Wake Forest can merge. The South- Atlantic 26

(02-13-2017 05:52 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 03:28 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 02:44 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 02:33 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  The PAC won't take KU, KSU, OU, and OSU. There is neither the academic nor population base to justify this.

The B1G has been the first actor in realignment shakeups for a long time now. An alternative to the Missouri move:

B1G takes Washington, Oregon, Cal, Stanford. Arizona, ASU, Utah, and Colorado to reach 24 functioning as two separate conferences:
B1G
East: UMD, RU, PSU, OSU, Mich, MSU
West: IU, Purdue, ILL, NW, UMN, Wisc
PAC
East: Iowa, Neb, CU, UU, AZ, ASU
West: UW, UO, Cal, Furd, USC, UCLA

I can't speak for Nebraska but Iowa would never go for that.

You need to throw in 4 schools from the Big 12.

The Big 28 Conference

east
RUT, MD, PSU, OhioSt, Mich, MichSt, Indy

North
Neb, Iowa, Minn, Wisc, NW, ILL, Pur

South
Tex, TT, Ok, Kan, Col, Utah, Ariz St

West
Wash, Ore, Cal, Stan, USC, UCLA, Ariz

That was step 2, and the Big Payout from step 1 is the lure :)

Step 3 (completion) adds UVA and UNC.
- Purdue+UVA+UNC to the Eastern 10.
- ASU, UU, CU to the Western 10
- UT, TTU, OU, KU, Neb, Iowa, ILL, NW, Wisc, UMN as the Central 10.

I like it. The Big 30.

Then the SEC and ND and remaining ACC minus Wake Forest can merge. The South- Atlantic 26

You mean the Big T3Ns.

Bleccchhh!!! Now I know why I haven't been visiting realignment threads as much. I'm starting to feel like the members of the MWC back when they were in the WAC. There has to be a point of diminishing returns for even the P5 big boys.

Texas makes a deal with the ACC similar to the one Notre Dame has.

Kansas and Oklahoma go to the SEC (Auburn and Alabama move to the East division).

Big XII loses Power Conference status, adds Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis.

AAC adds Rice

CUSA adds 1 Sun Belt

Sun Belt adds 1 FCS

Idaho, UMass and New Mexico State go to FCS

(02-12-2017 04:40 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  1: The B1G invites Missouri. Missouri, not bound by an SEC GoR immediately accepts

I have a counter-proposal: the Big 12 and/or the SEC can keep/take Missouri and Kansas, and the Big Ten will throw in Nebraska. Don't need em, don't want em.

Indiana goes to the West in football (win-win-win), and the Big Ten adds UConn to the East.

AAC adds Rice, Air Force and Army

(02-14-2017 11:52 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(02-12-2017 04:40 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  1: The B1G invites Missouri. Missouri, not bound by an SEC GoR immediately accepts

I have a counter-proposal: the Big 12 and/or the SEC can keep/take Missouri and Kansas, and the Big Ten will throw in Nebraska. Don't need em, don't want em.

Indiana goes to the West in football (win-win-win), and the Big Ten adds UConn to the East.

how is trading Nebraska for Indiana a win? maybe for Purdue it is, but you just made the BigTen West worse overall.