(02-10-2017 04:10 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:02 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 03:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Evolution is the foundation of all life sciences and at this point it is beyond all doubt. I thought the cons stopped trying to argue against evolution decades ago.

So your religion can be forced upon the public, but noone else's religion, right? As long as you call yours "settled science."

There is nothing constitutionally wrong about having bible classes in public school as long as they are not required.

Evolution is not a religion. There are reams and reams of papers that show supporting evidence that the theory of Evolution is the default model. It's dumb to continue in this thoroughly debunked idea that evolution is "just another theory" and that it takes faith to believe that evolution is real.

....its a theory....not settled science. For clarity...I believe it until I hear a better explanation or it is somehow proven definitively..but..Im open to a new paradigm if one come to light.

It's settled science. No different than the Earth orbiting the sun.

(02-10-2017 04:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:10 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:02 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 03:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Evolution is the foundation of all life sciences and at this point it is beyond all doubt. I thought the cons stopped trying to argue against evolution decades ago.

So your religion can be forced upon the public, but noone else's religion, right? As long as you call yours "settled science."

There is nothing constitutionally wrong about having bible classes in public school as long as they are not required.

Evolution is not a religion. There are reams and reams of papers that show supporting evidence that the theory of Evolution is the default model. It's dumb to continue in this thoroughly debunked idea that evolution is "just another theory" and that it takes faith to believe that evolution is real.

....its a theory....not settled science. For clarity...I believe it until I hear a better explanation or it is somehow proven definitively..but..Im open to a new paradigm if one come to light.

It's settled science. No different than the Earth orbiting the sun.

and there you have it. Johns religion is better than your religion, so it shall be forced upon the masses.

(02-10-2017 04:04 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  What if it was an Islamic class? Not required but we will have a Koran class. What say you?

This would be the point.

Render unto Ceaser...

(02-10-2017 04:24 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Evolution can't explain how the universe burst into existence.
It was never intended to serve that purpose

Evolution also can't help provide purpose to one's life.
It was never intended to serve that purpose

If evolution can be taught in classrooms, as well it should, then it should also be acceptable to teach about religion. No one said that by reading the Bible you are forcing religion on someone. Same with reading the Koran. Let students read them in classrooms side by side along with evolution.

Sure if the school has a comparative religion class that explores a variety of religions and does so critically. But the reality is that this is not what bible proponents want to see. But most emphatically NO to having religion "science" taught alongside other scientific principles. Creationism will never come close to explaining speciation like evolution, and it will never have any value to human kind as a scientific theory.

(02-10-2017 04:24 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  No one said that by reading the Bible you are forcing religion on someone.

This makes zero sense

(02-10-2017 04:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:10 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:02 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  So your religion can be forced upon the public, but noone else's religion, right? As long as you call yours "settled science."

There is nothing constitutionally wrong about having bible classes in public school as long as they are not required.

Evolution is not a religion. There are reams and reams of papers that show supporting evidence that the theory of Evolution is the default model. It's dumb to continue in this thoroughly debunked idea that evolution is "just another theory" and that it takes faith to believe that evolution is real.

....its a theory....not settled science. For clarity...I believe it until I hear a better explanation or it is somehow proven definitively..but..Im open to a new paradigm if one come to light.

It's settled science. No different than the Earth orbiting the sun.

and there you have it. Johns religion is better than your religion, so it shall be forced upon the masses.

No. Science > religion.

For nearly 80 years, Bible stories have been taught in Mercer County as part of the regular school week and they’re extremely popular in the community. In a new lawsuit, however, a major lobby for the separation of church and state is arguing that “popular” is not the same as “legal,” reports CBS News correspondent Tony Dokoupil.[/quote]
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If this was the case the Libturds would realize that the popular vote is not the legal way of electing a president. So in that sense they're right. But, they would never agree to THIS.

(02-10-2017 03:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Evolution is the foundation of all life sciences and at this point it is beyond all doubt. I thought the cons stopped trying to argue against evolution decades ago.

So if that's true you're still a few generations away from catching up.

The key thing that people are missing is this:

Quote:The voluntary program is paid for through private donations and administered by the school district.

Nobody is forcing anybody to take the class against their will.

(02-10-2017 04:36 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:24 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  No one said that by reading the Bible you are forcing religion on someone.

This makes zero sense

The bible can be an excellent book at the high school level. If you set up elective classes like a "Bible as Literature" or a Semitic cultures class that utilizes the bible and a koran as supplementary material, it would be effective in showing how those cultures viewed the world when these books were written.

(02-10-2017 04:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  The key thing that people are missing is this:

Quote:The voluntary program is paid for through private donations and administered by the school district.

Nobody is forcing anybody to take the class against their will.

Yes except it ends up being a soft tyranny in a sense because the participation rate is so high (96%) and the class has been entrenched for so long that people of differing beliefs are subjected to ridicule if they do not go with the flow. That's wrong.

(02-10-2017 04:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:10 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:02 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 03:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Evolution is the foundation of all life sciences and at this point it is beyond all doubt. I thought the cons stopped trying to argue against evolution decades ago.

So your religion can be forced upon the public, but noone else's religion, right? As long as you call yours "settled science."

There is nothing constitutionally wrong about having bible classes in public school as long as they are not required.

Evolution is not a religion. There are reams and reams of papers that show supporting evidence that the theory of Evolution is the default model. It's dumb to continue in this thoroughly debunked idea that evolution is "just another theory" and that it takes faith to believe that evolution is real.

....its a theory....not settled science. For clarity...I believe it until I hear a better explanation or it is somehow proven definitively..but..Im open to a new paradigm if one come to light.

It's settled science. No different than the Earth orbiting the sun.

Science is ever "evolving".

(02-10-2017 05:03 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  The key thing that people are missing is this:

Quote:The voluntary program is paid for through private donations and administered by the school district.

Nobody is forcing anybody to take the class against their will.

Yes except it ends up being a soft tyranny in a sense because the participation rate is so high (96%) and the class has been entrenched for so long that people of differing beliefs are subjected to ridicule if they do not go with the flow. That's wrong.

Oh dear Lord!

(02-10-2017 04:36 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:24 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  No one said that by reading the Bible you are forcing religion on someone.

This makes zero sense

The bible is historic, is there anything in print older? Are the Coptic texts available? The Bible is non denominational. Try reading it.

(02-10-2017 04:21 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:10 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:02 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 03:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  Evolution is the foundation of all life sciences and at this point it is beyond all doubt. I thought the cons stopped trying to argue against evolution decades ago.

So your religion can be forced upon the public, but noone else's religion, right? As long as you call yours "settled science."

There is nothing constitutionally wrong about having bible classes in public school as long as they are not required.

Evolution is not a religion. There are reams and reams of papers that show supporting evidence that the theory of Evolution is the default model. It's dumb to continue in this thoroughly debunked idea that evolution is "just another theory" and that it takes faith to believe that evolution is real.

....its a theory....not settled science. For clarity...I believe it until I hear a better explanation or it is somehow proven definitively..but..Im open to a new paradigm if one come to light.

Yes and no. It's true that nothing in science can ever be truly settled with Newton's Laws of Gravity being exhibit one. However, the theory of evolution utilizes the scientific method where falsifiability is possible. Contrast that to the "alternative" to evolution which would be creation science. Creation science has no scientific method to it. That is a belief system. Evolution - OTOH - is a model that has been proven to be quite useful in application in science plus has a lot of data that supports it.

I don't know what another paradigm would be. We are mere babies in regard to how much we know about the universe and even our world. Im open for all kinds of things.

(02-10-2017 05:07 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:10 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:02 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  So your religion can be forced upon the public, but noone else's religion, right? As long as you call yours "settled science."

There is nothing constitutionally wrong about having bible classes in public school as long as they are not required.

Evolution is not a religion. There are reams and reams of papers that show supporting evidence that the theory of Evolution is the default model. It's dumb to continue in this thoroughly debunked idea that evolution is "just another theory" and that it takes faith to believe that evolution is real.

....its a theory....not settled science. For clarity...I believe it until I hear a better explanation or it is somehow proven definitively..but..Im open to a new paradigm if one come to light.

It's settled science. No different than the Earth orbiting the sun.

Science is ever "evolving".

Of course. It has not been long since settled science was that the earth was flat.

(02-10-2017 04:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  The key thing that people are missing is this:

Quote:The voluntary program is paid for through private donations and administered by the school district.

Nobody is forcing anybody to take the class against their will.

I dunno man. That's a slippery slope. You gotta play these things out to the absurd because someone will inevitably go there.

(02-10-2017 05:07 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:10 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:02 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  So your religion can be forced upon the public, but noone else's religion, right? As long as you call yours "settled science."

There is nothing constitutionally wrong about having bible classes in public school as long as they are not required.

Evolution is not a religion. There are reams and reams of papers that show supporting evidence that the theory of Evolution is the default model. It's dumb to continue in this thoroughly debunked idea that evolution is "just another theory" and that it takes faith to believe that evolution is real.

....its a theory....not settled science. For clarity...I believe it until I hear a better explanation or it is somehow proven definitively..but..Im open to a new paradigm if one come to light.

It's settled science. No different than the Earth orbiting the sun.

Science is ever "evolving".

So the moon doesn't orbit the Earth?

(02-10-2017 05:21 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 05:07 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:10 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  Evolution is not a religion. There are reams and reams of papers that show supporting evidence that the theory of Evolution is the default model. It's dumb to continue in this thoroughly debunked idea that evolution is "just another theory" and that it takes faith to believe that evolution is real.

....its a theory....not settled science. For clarity...I believe it until I hear a better explanation or it is somehow proven definitively..but..Im open to a new paradigm if one come to light.

It's settled science. No different than the Earth orbiting the sun.

Science is ever "evolving".

Of course. It has not been long since settled science was that the earth was flat.

Misconception. The Greeks knew the earth was round and even it's size

(02-10-2017 05:40 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 05:21 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 05:07 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:31 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(02-10-2017 04:10 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  ....its a theory....not settled science. For clarity...I believe it until I hear a better explanation or it is somehow proven definitively..but..Im open to a new paradigm if one come to light.

It's settled science. No different than the Earth orbiting the sun.

Science is ever "evolving".

Of course. It has not been long since settled science was that the earth was flat.

Misconception. The Greeks knew the earth was round and even it's size

Just making a joke. The point still remains that we don't know schit really. Our entire existence could one day be in question. There is so much our tiny brains can't understand now. For clarity...I believe the theory of Evolution is valid...today.