(01-30-2017 11:40 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 11:14 AM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 07:51 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  also what UT has planned will be along the lines of something like this

http://www.swri.org/

which exist in a city with 4 private universities and now two public universities so there is plenty of room in Houston for that type of project to exist as well

and people should really READ THE CONSTITUTION before they spout off about "breaking the law" or "theft" and make a fool of themselves

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Do...m/CN.7.htm

Article 7 Section 18 Part B

(b) The Board of Regents of The University of Texas System may issue bonds and notes not to exceed a total amount of 20 percent of the cost value of investments and other assets of the permanent university fund (exclusive of real estate) at the time of issuance thereof, and may pledge all or any part of its two-thirds interest in the available university fund to secure the payment of the principal and interest of those bonds and notes, for the purpose of acquiring land either with or without permanent improvements, constructing and equipping buildings or other permanent improvements, major repair and rehabilitation of buildings and other permanent improvements, acquiring capital equipment and library books and library materials, and refunding bonds or notes issued under this section or prior law, at or for The University of Texas System administration and the following component institutions of the system:

and then even more importantly Part H

(h) To assure efficient use of construction funds and the orderly development of physical plants to accommodate the state's real need, the legislature may provide for the approval or disapproval of all new construction projects at the eligible agencies and institutions entitled to participate in the funding provided by this section except The University of Texas at Austin, Texas A&M University in College Station, and Prairie View A&M University.

so the state constitution CLEARLY gives the UT System BOR the authority to use PUF funds to purchase raw land and there is NO LEGISLATIVE APPROVAL NEEDED

the authority is WRITTEN INTO THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE

and then in Part H it specifically DOES NOT ALLOW the legislature to have the authority to approve or disapprove the construction of buildings and infrastructure using PUF funds for projects under the administration of UT Austin (or A&M College Station or PVAMU)

it specifically EXCLUDES UT Austin from the legislature having the authority to approve or disapprove construction projects by UT Austin

it allows for, but DOES NOT REQUIRE the approval of projects by other PUF participants in the UT and A&M Systems, but it specifically EXCLUDES the legislature from having the authority to approve or disapprove UT Austin (and A&M College Station and PVAMU) projects

the legislature DOES NOT HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY TO STOP THE PROJECT nor did they need to be consulted on the land purchase

the UT BOR has the CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY pr make that land purchase period the end and as long as the Houston campus is under the administration of UT Austin then they have the authority to construct buildings on that land

IT IS RIGHT THERE VERY CLEAR in the STATE CONSTITUTION

Hmm.

I believe you are correct in stating that UT would not need legislative approval for the land purchase itself, but Section c of the above states:

Pursuant to a two-thirds vote of the membership of each house of the legislature, institutions of higher education may be created at a later date as a part of The University of Texas System or The Texas A&M University System by general law, and, when created, such an institution shall be entitled to participate in the funding provided by this section for the system in which it is created. An institution that is entitled to participate in dedicated funding provided by Article VII, Section 17, of this constitution may not be entitled to participate in the funding provided by this section

So as I read this (and I could be dead wrong) it seems that UT is required to get the legislature's approval for any new institution prior to using PUF funds to purchase land for said institution.

Would you at least agree that purchasing the land without having received the required legislative approval for any new institution to be built on it (or even telling anyone that the purchase was going to take place until after the fact) seems a bit shady? If I were in the legislature, I would see this as a fairly transparent attempt to present the state with a fait accompli.

but what you are failing to understand is they are NOT creating a new university

they are going to run this campus under the administration of UT Austin and thus it is not a new university

it is no different than UT Austin having the telescope farm in west Texas or having the Marine Center in Port Aransas

https://utmsi.utexas.edu/

the above facility offers both graduate and undergraduate classes and it is fully under the control of UT Austin and in the College of Natural Sciences

as long as the UT-Houston facility is under the control and administration of UT Austin it is not a new university

and along with that if they desire to offer any particular degrees there as long as UT Austin already offers those degrees then there is no need for any approval from anyone for that as well

they are simply NOT looking to open up a full 4 year campus they are looking for something ultimately similar to the SWRI in San Antonio or the OU OKC facility

http://urc.ou.edu/


and when one looks at the OU center you can even see some of the cost and timeline of building it out

http://urc.ou.edu/opportunities/facilities/

Maybe. Maybe not. He has said on multiple occasions he "doesnt know" what it will be. Of course, he's also said it wont be a school. Then in the same testimony he said it might offer classes and degrees. He has said it wont replicate anything offered in Houston (though the research hub idea is a complete replication of the 77 acre UH research park). I dont know how he can answer any UT-Houston question difinitively if he starts out with the line "I dont know what it will be". McRaven has said the steering committee will determine its usage and the first report from that committee is due by the end of this month. So, I guess we will see what it going to be.

I dont think there is any appetite at the capitol for any new campus to fund and maintain. My guess is that this environmentally tainted site will still be vacant a decade from now. Hell, 2 of the new UT regents about to come on board dont want it and the third has significant reservations regarding the need for UT-Houston.

(01-30-2017 09:18 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  This topic has reached epic status - Todge appeared.

I was wondering why i suddenly had to scroll past a long line of crap.

(01-30-2017 01:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Maybe. Maybe not. He has said on multiple occasions he "doesnt know" what it will be. Of course, he's also said it wont be a school. Then in the same testimony he said it might offer classes and degrees. He has said it wont replicate anything offered in Houston (though the research hub idea is a complete replication of the 77 acre UH research park). I dont know how he can answer any UT-Houston question difinitively if he starts out with the line "I dont know what it will be". McRaven has said the steering committee will determine its usage and the first report from that committee is due by the end of this month. So, I guess we will see what it going to be.

I dont think there is any appetite at the capitol for any new campus to fund and maintain. My guess is that this environmentally tainted site will still be vacant a decade from now. Hell, 2 of the new UT regents about to come on board dont want it and the third has significant reservations regarding the need for UT-Houston.

he is saying that because he does not want a bunch of political grifters and buffoons to try and take the opportunity to try and cash in on the situation and to try and turn a quality idea into some type of make work nonsense for their moronic constituents

this is part of the reason that UT Austin has the constitutional authority to build facilities without the need for political approval

and just because a place offers degrees that does not make it a full on university with an independent administration

those crappy little system centers that Khator is littering Houston with and using to steal degrees plans/screw over other UH System components offer degrees, but they are not independent universities they are just waste of money and resources doubling down on that a community college could help with

and this will not be a duplication of the UH research park which is mostly a collection of old warehouses and that has failed to really get off the ground

this will have much more room for private companies to collaborate and this will be much more broad based and of course much more successful

and there is nothing about that property that makes it "polluted" that is just more dem coogs doh nonsense trying to fling more coog poo while ignoring the facts and reality

you can see the rest of this thread filled with easily discredited claims about graduation rates and breaking laws as an example of that

you complain about the $20 million or so per year it will cost to pay for the land for this facility and how that money could best be used elsewhere yet you for some reason have no complaints about the use of $19 million dollars EXCLUSIVE of the $7+ million that dem coogs doh bill the students in student fees for athletics......and then you wonder why there is not money available for dem coogs doh to do things

then you have the 600+ new dorm rooms that were sitting there EMPTY in 2015 (and more the year before) eating up system bonding capacity and resulting in other dorm students having to carry that cost of paying for those empty rooms and again you wonder why there is not money available to do things

get your own house in order and try and manage to get your graduation rates at least to the level of Texas State or north Texas state before you start calling others out and let UT take care of the big projects until you can get the little things like athletics and dorm capacity under control......oh yea and screwing system components out of degree plans that they built the reputation of

100% of what dem coogs doh accuse big bad UT UT UT of doing is actually being done by dem coogs doh

and the REALITY is the funding for buying this land and for building the facilities on it will mostly if not all come off the back of UT Austin that money was not and would not be available to any other UT System university (PUF participant or not) much less any non-PUF participant because it is coming off the backs of the "excellence" funding portion of what UT Austin gets from the PUF

if the money was not spent in Houston it would simply be spend somewhere else by UT Austin under their administration

so go and fix UHCL so it is not a joke compared to UTD that was founded at the same time and in a similar fashion at TI instead of at NASA and stop screwing UHV out of degree plans and fix the horrid graduation rates at UHD and UHV and figure out a way to get athletics to have at least an average if not below average academic side subsidy and try and catch up to the horribly run north Texas state in graduation rates much less Texas State and then perhaps people would listen to your dem coogs doh bleatings

(01-30-2017 02:09 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 09:18 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  This topic has reached epic status - Todge appeared.

I was wondering why i suddenly had to scroll past a long line of crap.

it has to do with your desire to remain clueless and void of reality and in denial of the facts and the truth of the situation

Man this todge dude has some serious butt hurt, I wonder who it was that pissed in his or her corn flakes to set this person off on these twisted rants
It is you todge that is in denial

(01-30-2017 06:40 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 01:59 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Maybe. Maybe not. He has said on multiple occasions he "doesnt know" what it will be. Of course, he's also said it wont be a school. Then in the same testimony he said it might offer classes and degrees. He has said it wont replicate anything offered in Houston (though the research hub idea is a complete replication of the 77 acre UH research park). I dont know how he can answer any UT-Houston question difinitively if he starts out with the line "I dont know what it will be". McRaven has said the steering committee will determine its usage and the first report from that committee is due by the end of this month. So, I guess we will see what it going to be.

I dont think there is any appetite at the capitol for any new campus to fund and maintain. My guess is that this environmentally tainted site will still be vacant a decade from now. Hell, 2 of the new UT regents about to come on board dont want it and the third has significant reservations regarding the need for UT-Houston.

he is saying that because he does not want a bunch of political grifters and buffoons to try and take the opportunity to try and cash in on the situation and to try and turn a quality idea into some type of make work nonsense for their moronic constituents

this is part of the reason that UT Austin has the constitutional authority to build facilities without the need for political approval

and just because a place offers degrees that does not make it a full on university with an independent administration

those crappy little system centers that Khator is littering Houston with and using to steal degrees plans/screw over other UH System components offer degrees, but they are not independent universities they are just waste of money and resources doubling down on that a community college could help with

and this will not be a duplication of the UH research park which is mostly a collection of old warehouses and that has failed to really get off the ground

this will have much more room for private companies to collaborate and this will be much more broad based and of course much more successful

and there is nothing about that property that makes it "polluted" that is just more dem coogs doh nonsense trying to fling more coog poo while ignoring the facts and reality

you can see the rest of this thread filled with easily discredited claims about graduation rates and breaking laws as an example of that

you complain about the $20 million or so per year it will cost to pay for the land for this facility and how that money could best be used elsewhere yet you for some reason have no complaints about the use of $19 million dollars EXCLUSIVE of the $7+ million that dem coogs doh bill the students in student fees for athletics......and then you wonder why there is not money available for dem coogs doh to do things

then you have the 600+ new dorm rooms that were sitting there EMPTY in 2015 (and more the year before) eating up system bonding capacity and resulting in other dorm students having to carry that cost of paying for those empty rooms and again you wonder why there is not money available to do things

get your own house in order and try and manage to get your graduation rates at least to the level of Texas State or north Texas state before you start calling others out and let UT take care of the big projects until you can get the little things like athletics and dorm capacity under control......oh yea and screwing system components out of degree plans that they built the reputation of

100% of what dem coogs doh accuse big bad UT UT UT of doing is actually being done by dem coogs doh

and the REALITY is the funding for buying this land and for building the facilities on it will mostly if not all come off the back of UT Austin that money was not and would not be available to any other UT System university (PUF participant or not) much less any non-PUF participant because it is coming off the backs of the "excellence" funding portion of what UT Austin gets from the PUF

if the money was not spent in Houston it would simply be spend somewhere else by UT Austin under their administration

so go and fix UHCL so it is not a joke compared to UTD that was founded at the same time and in a similar fashion at TI instead of at NASA and stop screwing UHV out of degree plans and fix the horrid graduation rates at UHD and UHV and figure out a way to get athletics to have at least an average if not below average academic side subsidy and try and catch up to the horribly run north Texas state in graduation rates much less Texas State and then perhaps people would listen to your dem coogs doh bleatings

(01-30-2017 02:09 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(01-30-2017 09:18 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  This topic has reached epic status - Todge appeared.

I was wondering why i suddenly had to scroll past a long line of crap.

it has to do with your desire to remain clueless and void of reality and in denial of the facts and the truth of the situation

lol time for the Todge Rodge book length entry


ps: NOBODY read your 100000 word crap dude....give us the cliff notes

-3 for Todge Rodge for posting crap nobody takes time to read

Yeah man this person is off their rocker with their over whelming lust to hate anything about Houston that it is clouding their mental reality reguarding actual facts
It makes me question what age this person is, their sounding more and more like a child a little brat or an anger woman with a score to settle

yea I mean how childish to actually post graduation rates directly from the THECB instead of making stupid claims about 40% 6 year graduation rates

and how childish to post things directly from the constitution of The State of Texas supporting what I am saying

it is much more of an adult thing to do to make baseless and easily refuted claims and keep trying to hammer them home in spite of all proven reality and all 100% factually supported evidence

and then when everything you have claims is shown to be 100% false a real "adult" simply ignores that they were proven wrong and starts to claim that someone is "off their rocker" or they are "butt hurt"

because real adults prove their point and support their claims by making BS up out of thin air and then crying "butt hurt" when they are shown to be ignorant of reality and simply making up false claims

this is the reason that dem coogs doh and UC and others were left out of the Big 12 their fans are ignorant and void of reality and their clams for membership were based on nonsense and "we will prove it" while supporting their argument with nonsense

and this is why some universities move forward as an institution and some have a very active twitter account and waste time and effort making silly and baseless comparisons to AAU members while being ignorant of how AAU membership works

and why they cry about another university spending money on academic pursuits while they waste the same amount of money on athletics in a now failed attempt to elevate their "university" through athletics instead of academics

but hey you can always make up some new "tier 1" and hang a new billboard that never gets old no matter how many times those claims are proven to be a joke

You have proved to be the joke...

(01-30-2017 09:41 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  You have proved to be the joke...

yes because proving facts and supporting them while totally shutting down those that made the most ignorant and idiotic and easily proven false claims makes me a joke

you can slightly get ahead in life catering to morons and the ignorant and the downright stupid and foolish

but only if your goal in life is to be the leader of the morons and the buffoons

please continue to ignore all reality and go back to shouting about broken laws, false gradation rates, claims of achievement that even those making the classification disavow or point out as false

and go back to being wrong about Big 12 membership and "long term elite status" and the like......the ignorant and stupid are eating it up

the rest are using it to show why those that cry out shrilly like you should be ignored

(01-30-2017 07:40 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  Man this todge dude has some serious butt hurt, I wonder who it was that pissed in his or her corn flakes to set this person off on these twisted rants
It is you todge that is in denial

No doubt..it's like Todge Rodge is having a fit because he finally came to the realization that one of "Dem Coogs" CAN totally embarrass their untouchable UT Military Officer President. Not only did he embarrass him but he made him feel like a little child who got his hand caught in the cookie jar. Not only caught him but continued to remind him that a scolding was coming. The fact that it was one of "dem coogs" doing all the scolding is just too much for Todge Rodge to deal with. Bless his little heart.

Todge Rodge likes to insult the University of Houston by referring to them as "Dem Coogs" in his FAKE WORLD narratives.

But IN THE REAL WORLD, we ALL just watched one of "Dem Coogs" obliterate the leader of the University of Texas in of all places, THE TEXAS SENATE. Doesn't get more REAL WORLD than in a Texas Senate Hearing.

But then again, this Todge Dodge person spends his free time lurking on G5 conference forums dishing out insults to less fortunate G5 schools. That should tell you all you need to know about this poster.

..and now we can all expect a chapter long response from 'you know who'.

why would he be embarrassed about the land purchase

it is 100% irrefutably clear that UT Austin and the UT System have the constitutional authority to make that land purchase

the only ones that should be embarrassed are those that are making a fool of themselves with their grandstanding that just shows they are ignorant of the authority that UT has under the Texas constitution

a child is one that cries for something they are not entitled to and they have no right to cry for

the UT System did not need to ask the legislature or the THECB for the right or approval to buy that land and the fact that legislators do not understand that or cannot live with that just shows their stupidity and ignorance of their position and the constitution of The State of Texas

and along with that as long as the institution in question is under the administration of UT Austin not only do they not need approval or permission of the legislature to build buildings the legislature is specifically constitutionally prohibited from stopping that construction

the only ones making a fool of themselves are those that do not understand that and that are too stupid to learn that

and it is only because McRaven did not want to embarrass those idiot politicians that he did not simply point that out in public and instead will wait to show that in private

I have linked The State of Texas Constitution right there directly from the state website and highlighted the applicable laws

nothing changes that especially not the childish grandstanding of politicians that most people view as useless and as buffoons and have no respect for.....generally because they are idiots when it comes to actual laws and the constitution

currently barring a change in the constitution of The State of Texas the only ones that can stop the project moving forward is the UT BOR and once the new members have things fully explained to them the project will move forward and once the legislature gets in session those that actually know the law and the constitution will tell the other morons to sit down and shut up


again some universities actually move forward with meaningful projects based on sound information and a clear understanding of the rules and laws

some universities have an active twitter account, a contract with a billboard company, and a penchant for making idiot "poke you and thumb my nose at you" legislation that dies immediately after being introduced and they like to give presentations and make up awards based on a faulty understanding of what they are talking about and the meaning behind it

everyone chooses their own methods and what works (or does not work) for them

Not going to happen... All this nonsense crap is already dead.

In a nutshell both UH, LT GOV, and Governor said if the BIG12 let's UH in they will look favorably in UT setting up a school in Houston. BIG12 denied UH and now they are not going to get to have that school they wanted. If you don't believe politics will have a play in this your being willfully ignorant. The school will not be built and that was what the military calls an ass chewing. McRaven got his ass chewed.

(01-31-2017 01:14 AM)Agust Wrote:  In a nutshell both UH, LT GOV, and Governor said if the BIG12 let's UH in they will look favorably in UT setting up a school in Houston. BIG12 denied UH and now they are not going to get to have that school they wanted. If you don't believe politics will have a play in this your being willfully ignorant. The school will not be built and that was what the military calls an ass chewing. McRaven got his ass chewed.

in a nut shell what dem coogs doh want has nothing to do with anything

and the Gov. and Lt. Gov are not going to move to change the constitution and while they can try and have the UT BOR decide to not move forward with the project the land has already been LEGALLY purchased

and there are 9 voting BOR members on the UT BOR and a student regent and only 3 of the voting members and the student regent are up for replacement in 2017 and the other 6 are not up for replacement until 2019 (3) and 2021 (3)

so 6 of the 9 BOR members have been and will continue to be in place for several more years while all of this has been going on

so even with 3 new voting BOR members if all 3 end up and are against this that still means they need some of the other 6 to be against it and there is little to suggest any of those 6 are against it since they have sat by while it has happened and

and the three BOR members that were replaced were the ones that ran off the prior chancellor and the former Austin president and they were replaced because of that

so there is little to suggest that the 3 new members (or the 4th to be replaced soon that is a student regent) are being put in place to further challenge Austin and their goals or the goals of the current chancellor

and this is a project that will be under the administration of Austin and the Austin administration

and the new BOR members will be shown all they need to be convinced this is a sound project

it has nothing to do with the Big 12 or any other nonsense like that

(01-31-2017 01:25 AM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(01-31-2017 01:14 AM)Agust Wrote:  In a nutshell both UH, LT GOV, and Governor said if the BIG12 let's UH in they will look favorably in UT setting up a school in Houston. BIG12 denied UH and now they are not going to get to have that school they wanted. If you don't believe politics will have a play in this your being willfully ignorant. The school will not be built and that was what the military calls an ass chewing. McRaven got his ass chewed.

in a nut shell what dem coogs doh want has nothing to do with anything

and the Gov. and Lt. Gov are not going to move to change the constitution and while they can try and have the UT BOR decide to not move forward with the project the land has already been LEGALLY purchased

and there are 9 voting BOR members on the UT BOR and a student regent and only 3 of the voting members and the student regent are up for replacement in 2017 and the other 6 are not up for replacement until 2019 (3) and 2021 (3)

so 6 of the 9 BOR members have been and will continue to be in place for several more years while all of this has been going on

so even with 3 new voting BOR members if all 3 end up and are against this that still means they need some of the other 6 to be against it and there is little to suggest any of those 6 are against it since they have sat by while it has happened and

and the three BOR members that were replaced were the ones that ran off the prior chancellor and the former Austin president and they were replaced because of that

so there is little to suggest that the 3 new members (or the 4th to be replaced soon that is a student regent) are being put in place to further challenge Austin and their goals or the goals of the current chancellor

and this is a project that will be under the administration of Austin and the Austin administration

and the new BOR members will be shown all they need to be convinced this is a sound project

it has nothing to do with the Big 12 or any other nonsense like that

According to their Senate testimony the BOR was informed of the move one day prior to the vote. So its not like the BOR new many details of the project. We don't know what the vote was, but if there wasn't a fairly lopsided majority---a 3 vote swing could easily make a huge difference in the outcome. The reality is the legislature provides a ton of UT funding outside of the PUF. So if the legislature wants UT-Houston dead, it will be dead.

The fact is the legislature is gearing up for some serious budget cuts and belt tightening this session. There is a 5 billion dollar shortfall over the 2 year budget cycle. The legislature is in no mood for stupid wasteful spending, which is what this UT vanity project is. So, UT-Houston is dead as a door nail. You'd have to be politically tone deaf to think this boondoggle has a chance of moving forward.

UT can buy all the land they want but if they want funding for other areas which they do then the writing is on the wall. And also why UT was on its political knees begging in front of the legislature.

I was wondering why UT/McRaven were there in the first place, were they called there by the senate committee only to be ass chewed and if so why was it only an ass chewing
McRaven in the end seemed defiant and told senator Whitmire that he would do what the UT board of regents tell him what to do not what whitmire was asking him to do, to stand and wait on making any more plans until after the new regents are sworn in. McRaven agreed to do so and in same sentence said he will do what the BOR tells him what to do as if saying when I do go forward with said plans it's not my fault " I was just doing my job" , yeah right !, the fact is McRaven " you can't handle the truth " becouse your messing with the wrong part of Texas
McRaven is a fool and getting set up by the BOR to be the fall guy for something it seems ?, or when it's convenient for the BOR
There will be some kind of fallout or coladeral damage from this on going battle and McRaven is looking more like a cheap plastic pawn being played the fool... these BORs are hiding behind you dodging the bullets that are coming UTs way !
Yikes !

(01-31-2017 02:58 AM)Agust Wrote:  UT can buy all the land they want but if they want funding for other areas which they do then the writing is on the wall. And also why UT was on its political knees begging in front of the legislature.

you are totally ignorant of how higher education funding works in Texas

there are two main sources of state funds both based on formulas specifically so that politicians cannot do the stupid things you believe they can do

the Instruction and Operating funding comes 100% from general state revenues for all public universities in Texas and all of those universities are funded using the same formula

the Infrastructure funding comes from general state revenues for all non-PUF participants and for PUF participants their Infrastructure funding comes from the PUF.AUF

but the level of funding is still based on the same formula for both PUF and non-PUF participants

so the legislature does not even have control of the formula infrastructure funding for UT Austin because the legislature does not have control of the PUF and in addition as I have shown Section 7 Part H of the constitution specifically does not allow the legislature to interfere with UT Austin construction projects....be it projects funded with formula funding or projects funded with excellence funding

and there is not a chance that the legislature will try and cut instruction and operations funding specifically to UT Austin and I don't believe they can even if they wanted to because it is formula based and again that is specifically to prevent favoritism or retaliation by political morons against any particular university

and other than that there is very little funding that comes from straight line item funding and the other small amounts of funding outside of those two formulas is also allocated to a number of other universities again mostly based on formulas for research metrics and the like

so it is not as simple as just take funding from UT Austin which will not be happening anyway

TodgeRodge, my favorite...the man smarter than UH law professors, the head of the texas board of education

now not only are the most powerful legislators in texas dumb, but also members of the university of texas board of regent (aka the school that bought the land) have now publicly come against it....

my guy todge, ut-houston is dying but as always refuses to accept it, as kt would mean he was wrong...and todge is never wrong

like i noted months ago..ut-houston isnt ut-austin, the uta alum dont identify with it or see it as part of them, they arent inclined to protect it (like utsa, utrgv etc..). uth has no alum. UH on the other hand has hundreds of thousands of alum who would be against this as it threats there degree

outside of those involved in the purchase, not one single person in power has come in support of the purchase, while almost every legislator including UT austin alums have come against it