(01-22-2017 02:51 PM)kyucat Wrote:  I think what is happening is this. Until the ACC network is up and running in 2018 ESPN has given the ACC priority coverage which cost AAC slots on ESPN channels. Therefore they sell our games to CBSSN to clear the way for ACC coverage. The only way the AAC gets better coverage is to play ACC teams at there place. When the ACC network is up and running then things might change.

Selling our games to CBSSN allows ESPN to get back the money they are paying the AAC cutting exposure. The next contract must require a set number of games that must be broadcast on there main platforms.

I hope you are right. 2 AAC games on cbs-sn today:
UCF @ Memphis
ECU @ Uconn
The UCF vs Memphis game is a pivotal conference race game that I thought would get on one of the ESPN channels. Uconn is having a rough year, but they are a big name and there's no other men's games on ESPN or ESPN2. Bowling, women's games and 30 for 30 reruns. Disappointing.
Cheers!

We were in a position of Weakness now we are better off, I see us getting 5-7 mil



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(01-22-2017 09:35 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 10:22 PM)Starfox207 Wrote:  We should be the first to separate from NCAA and ESPN. We would make headlines and control our own damn fate. Pioneer something that's not asinine.

You never know we might have something other than fertilizer in the end and Men will say that it is good. Haha it's just all a broken record sometimes. Just happy to not go through this alone we have a great conference

The Big East already did that with their Fox deal. Of course the big east doesn't have the football albatross around its neck like the American. We got to get a better deal out of ESPN or some of us are going to go broke.

"Football albatross"? What the hell does that mean?

(01-23-2017 10:08 AM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 09:35 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 10:22 PM)Starfox207 Wrote:  We should be the first to separate from NCAA and ESPN. We would make headlines and control our own damn fate. Pioneer something that's not asinine.

You never know we might have something other than fertilizer in the end and Men will say that it is good. Haha it's just all a broken record sometimes. Just happy to not go through this alone we have a great conference

The Big East already did that with their Fox deal. Of course the big east doesn't have the football albatross around its neck like the American. We got to get a better deal out of ESPN or some of us are going to go broke.

"Football albatross"? What the hell does that mean?

If you are not P5, IMO football is an albatross financially. I know it is for Memphis and always has been. Unless we ever get better bowl tie ins and a better tv deal it's always going to be that way. Look at our bowl deal. Is it any better than CUSA ? Where does the conference champ go?

(01-22-2017 09:35 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 10:22 PM)Starfox207 Wrote:  We should be the first to separate from NCAA and ESPN. We would make headlines and control our own damn fate. Pioneer something that's not asinine.

You never know we might have something other than fertilizer in the end and Men will say that it is good. Haha it's just all a broken record sometimes. Just happy to not go through this alone we have a great conference

The Big East already did that with their Fox deal. Of course the big east doesn't have the football albatross around its neck like the American. We got to get a better deal out of ESPN or some of us are going to go broke.

I think that we should seriously consider buying Aresco out. We need someone that is a little more open-minded about our media partner alliance and has a proven track record for getting things done. Heck, I'd prefer Britton Banowsky than this guy's track record ...

(01-22-2017 02:58 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 02:51 PM)kyucat Wrote:  I think what is happening is this. Until the ACC network is up and running in 2018 ESPN has given the ACC priority coverage which cost AAC slots on ESPN channels. Therefore they sell our games to CBSSN to clear the way for ACC coverage. The only way the AAC gets better coverage is to play ACC teams at there place. When the ACC network is up and running then things might change.

Selling our games to CBSSN allows ESPN to get back the money they are paying the AAC cutting exposure. The next contract must require a set number of games that must be broadcast on there main platforms.

I hope you are right. 2 AAC games on cbs-sn today:
UCF @ Memphis
ECU @ Uconn
The UCF vs Memphis game is a pivotal conference race game that I thought would get on one of the ESPN channels. Uconn is having a rough year, but they are a big name and there's no other men's games on ESPN or ESPN2. Bowling, women's games and 30 for 30 reruns. Disappointing.
Cheers!

I really have no issue with CBS-Sports Network. Its a national network with nearly 60 million subscribers and availability (meaning they can order the network from their cable company if they want it) to over 95 million. The only issue I have with them is we get nothing from the games sold to them.

Id like to see our next deal slice and dice our TV package so we sell blocks of programming to fit each networks needs. That way, we pocket the entire value of our TV rights. My guess is ESPN recoupes much of the AAC cost by reselling a healthy portion of the inventory. There is even some valuable 3rd tier stuff (like UConn Womens Basketball).

Also worth mentioning---several months ago Aresco indicated we were about to announce a deal with a major streaming service to provide exposure to some Olympic sports content. So far, nothing but crickets on that front. As ESPN owns all our rights, even the 3rd tier stuff---I wonder if they squashed that idea.

(01-22-2017 02:51 PM)kyucat Wrote:  I think what is happening is this. Until the ACC network is up and running in 2018 ESPN has given the ACC priority coverage which cost AAC slots on ESPN channels. Therefore they sell our games to CBSSN to clear the way for ACC coverage. The only way the AAC gets better coverage is to play ACC teams at there (their) place. When the ACC network is up and running then things might change.

Selling our games to CBSSN allows ESPN to get back the money they are paying the AAC cutting exposure. The next contract must require a set number of games that must be broadcast on there (their) main platforms.

Knowing is half the battle.

(01-23-2017 06:51 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 09:35 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 10:22 PM)Starfox207 Wrote:  We should be the first to separate from NCAA and ESPN. We would make headlines and control our own damn fate. Pioneer something that's not asinine.

You never know we might have something other than fertilizer in the end and Men will say that it is good. Haha it's just all a broken record sometimes. Just happy to not go through this alone we have a great conference

The Big East already did that with their Fox deal. Of course the big east doesn't have the football albatross around its neck like the American. We got to get a better deal out of ESPN or some of us are going to go broke.

I think that we should seriously consider buying Aresco out. We need someone that is a little more open-minded about our media partner alliance and has a proven track record for getting things done. Heck, I'd prefer Britton Banowsky than this guy's track record ...

Does anyone have a breakdown of salaries of the 10 FBS conference commissioners?

Cheers!

(01-23-2017 06:51 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 09:35 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 10:22 PM)Starfox207 Wrote:  We should be the first to separate from NCAA and ESPN. We would make headlines and control our own damn fate. Pioneer something that's not asinine.

You never know we might have something other than fertilizer in the end and Men will say that it is good. Haha it's just all a broken record sometimes. Just happy to not go through this alone we have a great conference

The Big East already did that with their Fox deal. Of course the big east doesn't have the football albatross around its neck like the American. We got to get a better deal out of ESPN or some of us are going to go broke.

I think that we should seriously consider buying Aresco out. We need someone that is a little more open-minded about our media partner alliance and has a proven track record for getting things done. Heck, I'd prefer Britton Banowsky than this guy's track record ...

You're kidding, right? How soon you forget Banowsky's ineptness from which the CUSA still hasn't recovered .....and related to the AAC contract, when the AAC TV deal was done, the choice was made for exposure & the AAC has arguably better exposure than the BE in BB & better FB exposure than any conference not P5 (& you could argue as good as a couple of P5 conferences). I'm not taking a position on Aresco, just stating the decision process choice at the time which the conference presidents preferred. The AAC will be in a different, better position next contract & should get a better deal. And in regards to BB, I just don't understand why the AAC doesn't invite WSU to complete the Navy membership - that too would give the AAC leverage next contract.

(01-24-2017 09:07 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 06:51 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 09:35 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 10:22 PM)Starfox207 Wrote:  We should be the first to separate from NCAA and ESPN. We would make headlines and control our own damn fate. Pioneer something that's not asinine.

You never know we might have something other than fertilizer in the end and Men will say that it is good. Haha it's just all a broken record sometimes. Just happy to not go through this alone we have a great conference

The Big East already did that with their Fox deal. Of course the big east doesn't have the football albatross around its neck like the American. We got to get a better deal out of ESPN or some of us are going to go broke.

I think that we should seriously consider buying Aresco out. We need someone that is a little more open-minded about our media partner alliance and has a proven track record for getting things done. Heck, I'd prefer Britton Banowsky than this guy's track record ...

You're kidding, right? How soon you forget Banowsky's ineptness from which the CUSA still hasn't recovered .....and related to the AAC contract, when the AAC TV deal was done, the choice was made for exposure & the AAC has arguably better exposure than the BE in BB & better FB exposure than any conference not P5 (& you could argue as good as a couple of P5 conferences). I'm not taking a position on Aresco, just stating the decision process choice at the time which the conference presidents preferred. The AAC will be in a different, better position next contract & should get a better deal. And in regards to BB, I just don't understand why the AAC doesn't invite WSU to complete the Navy membership - that too would give the AAC leverage next contract.

I was not saying that we should go a get Britton Banowsky, although CUSA's bowl agreements appear to be as good or better than ours at this moment. It kinda makes you wonder what he could do with a more marketable product.

I am saying, however, that we should start looking around for viable alternatives because Aresco does not appear to be getting the job done. Maybe someone should reach out, through a third party, to the guy who use be the commissioner for the Old Big East. See what he thinks about things that could be done to the boat back on course ...

(01-21-2017 09:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  On another thread, an AAC fan posted this conference rankings "BPI" thing ESPN does. They list the "6 Power Conferences" and it gives a summary on the conference races. Guess what? No write up for the AAC as we fall in the "other conference" category. No summary for the "others". Why do you guys defend our "media partner" ESPN so much when they disrespect us with this garbage? Aresco and his P6 sticker campaign didn't work. If "P6" or I guess "P7" labels were sewed into the basketball jerseys would ESPN include the AAC then? Aresco, are you reading this son? ESPN sucks!

Cheers!

He's had 10 weeks. Remove him! LOL

(01-23-2017 07:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 02:58 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 02:51 PM)kyucat Wrote:  I think what is happening is this. Until the ACC network is up and running in 2018 ESPN has given the ACC priority coverage which cost AAC slots on ESPN channels. Therefore they sell our games to CBSSN to clear the way for ACC coverage. The only way the AAC gets better coverage is to play ACC teams at there place. When the ACC network is up and running then things might change.

Selling our games to CBSSN allows ESPN to get back the money they are paying the AAC cutting exposure. The next contract must require a set number of games that must be broadcast on there main platforms.

I hope you are right. 2 AAC games on cbs-sn today:
UCF @ Memphis
ECU @ Uconn
The UCF vs Memphis game is a pivotal conference race game that I thought would get on one of the ESPN channels. Uconn is having a rough year, but they are a big name and there's no other men's games on ESPN or ESPN2. Bowling, women's games and 30 for 30 reruns. Disappointing.
Cheers!

I really have no issue with CBS-Sports Network. Its a national network with nearly 60 million subscribers and availability (meaning they can order the network from their cable company if they want it) to over 95 million. The only issue I have with them is we get nothing from the games sold to them.

Id like to see our next deal slice and dice our TV package so we sell blocks of programming to fit each networks needs. That way, we pocket the entire value of our TV rights. My guess is ESPN recoupes much of the AAC cost by reselling a healthy portion of the inventory. There is even some valuable 3rd tier stuff (like UConn Womens Basketball).

Also worth mentioning---several months ago Aresco indicated we were about to announce a deal with a major streaming service to provide exposure to some Olympic sports content. So far, nothing but crickets on that front. As ESPN owns all our rights, even the 3rd tier stuff---I wonder if they squashed that idea.

I enjoy watching games on CBS-SN, good production. I've said that before. The problem is this:ESPN won't show highlights from games on CBS-SN for whatever reason. Fox doesn't show highlights from games on CBS-SN. The other media groups pretend like games on CBS-SN doesnt exist OR cbs-SN doesn't allow other media groups to show highlights of their broadcasts. Which is the reason?
Also, Games on CBS-SN don't show up in the ratings. I'd love to know how many people viewed Ohio St vs Navy. Air Force vs Navy. Army vs anyone. Houston vs Navy. BYU vs Cincy, BYU at any MWC school, MWC schools like SDSU who play all their games on CBS-SN. What are their tv ratings? Why won't CBS-SN tell us? 3. Why won't they stream their games for those of us who don't have the network and have to go to a bar or a friends house to watch an ECU game that's on CBS-SN?
Cheers!

(01-22-2017 11:23 AM)Wooglin157 Wrote:  Because we have zero real leverage.

Ohhh yeaahhh...DOH

(01-23-2017 11:18 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 10:08 AM)coogrfan Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 09:35 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 10:22 PM)Starfox207 Wrote:  We should be the first to separate from NCAA and ESPN. We would make headlines and control our own damn fate. Pioneer something that's not asinine.

You never know we might have something other than fertilizer in the end and Men will say that it is good. Haha it's just all a broken record sometimes. Just happy to not go through this alone we have a great conference

The Big East already did that with their Fox deal. Of course the big east doesn't have the football albatross around its neck like the American. We got to get a better deal out of ESPN or some of us are going to go broke.

"Football albatross"? What the hell does that mean?

If you are not P5, IMO football is an albatross financially. I know it is for Memphis and always has been. Unless we ever get better bowl tie ins and a better tv deal it's always going to be that way. Look at our bowl deal. Is it any better than CUSA ? Where does the conference champ go?

As opposed to Men's Tennis? Volleyball? There is not other sport that garners the interest and support at the college level as football.

(01-24-2017 01:49 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 09:07 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 06:51 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 09:35 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 10:22 PM)Starfox207 Wrote:  We should be the first to separate from NCAA and ESPN. We would make headlines and control our own damn fate. Pioneer something that's not asinine.

You never know we might have something other than fertilizer in the end and Men will say that it is good. Haha it's just all a broken record sometimes. Just happy to not go through this alone we have a great conference

The Big East already did that with their Fox deal. Of course the big east doesn't have the football albatross around its neck like the American. We got to get a better deal out of ESPN or some of us are going to go broke.

I think that we should seriously consider buying Aresco out. We need someone that is a little more open-minded about our media partner alliance and has a proven track record for getting things done. Heck, I'd prefer Britton Banowsky than this guy's track record ...

You're kidding, right? How soon you forget Banowsky's ineptness from which the CUSA still hasn't recovered .....and related to the AAC contract, when the AAC TV deal was done, the choice was made for exposure & the AAC has arguably better exposure than the BE in BB & better FB exposure than any conference not P5 (& you could argue as good as a couple of P5 conferences). I'm not taking a position on Aresco, just stating the decision process choice at the time which the conference presidents preferred. The AAC will be in a different, better position next contract & should get a better deal. And in regards to BB, I just don't understand why the AAC doesn't invite WSU to complete the Navy membership - that too would give the AAC leverage next contract.

I was not saying that we should go a get Britton Banowsky, although CUSA's bowl agreements appear to be as good or better than ours at this moment. It kinda makes you wonder what he could do with a more marketable product.

I am saying, however, that we should start looking around for viable alternatives because Aresco does not appear to be getting the job done. Maybe someone should reach out, through a third party, to the guy who use be the commissioner for the Old Big East. See what he thinks about things that could be done to the boat back on course ...

The last commish of the Big East wasn't good so I don't think anyone would want to go down that road. With that said I think you keep Aresco until the next tv/bowl deals are negotiated. I think he has laid the groundwork for those deals which is why he originally signed a shorter deal. He gave the league a chance to establish itself with exposure. Now of course if that deal comes in really low or there isn't substantial improvement then I would agree it might be time to move on.

(01-24-2017 01:49 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 09:07 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 06:51 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 09:35 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 10:22 PM)Starfox207 Wrote:  We should be the first to separate from NCAA and ESPN. We would make headlines and control our own damn fate. Pioneer something that's not asinine.

You never know we might have something other than fertilizer in the end and Men will say that it is good. Haha it's just all a broken record sometimes. Just happy to not go through this alone we have a great conference

The Big East already did that with their Fox deal. Of course the big east doesn't have the football albatross around its neck like the American. We got to get a better deal out of ESPN or some of us are going to go broke.

I think that we should seriously consider buying Aresco out. We need someone that is a little more open-minded about our media partner alliance and has a proven track record for getting things done. Heck, I'd prefer Britton Banowsky than this guy's track record ...

You're kidding, right? How soon you forget Banowsky's ineptness from which the CUSA still hasn't recovered .....and related to the AAC contract, when the AAC TV deal was done, the choice was made for exposure & the AAC has arguably better exposure than the BE in BB & better FB exposure than any conference not P5 (& you could argue as good as a couple of P5 conferences). I'm not taking a position on Aresco, just stating the decision process choice at the time which the conference presidents preferred. The AAC will be in a different, better position next contract & should get a better deal. And in regards to BB, I just don't understand why the AAC doesn't invite WSU to complete the Navy membership - that too would give the AAC leverage next contract.

I was not saying that we should go a get Britton Banowsky, although CUSA's bowl agreements appear to be as good or better than ours at this moment. It kinda makes you wonder what he could do with a more marketable product.

I am saying, however, that we should start looking around for viable alternatives because Aresco does not appear to be getting the job done. Maybe someone should reach out, through a third party, to the guy who use be the commissioner for the Old Big East. See what he thinks about things that could be done to the boat back on course ...

Go back to the no leverage post.

(01-24-2017 02:26 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 01:49 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  

(01-24-2017 09:07 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(01-23-2017 06:51 PM)TonyTiger06 Wrote:  

(01-22-2017 09:35 AM)VinnieVegas Wrote:  The Big East already did that with their Fox deal. Of course the big east doesn't have the football albatross around its neck like the American. We got to get a better deal out of ESPN or some of us are going to go broke.

I think that we should seriously consider buying Aresco out. We need someone that is a little more open-minded about our media partner alliance and has a proven track record for getting things done. Heck, I'd prefer Britton Banowsky than this guy's track record ...

You're kidding, right? How soon you forget Banowsky's ineptness from which the CUSA still hasn't recovered .....and related to the AAC contract, when the AAC TV deal was done, the choice was made for exposure & the AAC has arguably better exposure than the BE in BB & better FB exposure than any conference not P5 (& you could argue as good as a couple of P5 conferences). I'm not taking a position on Aresco, just stating the decision process choice at the time which the conference presidents preferred. The AAC will be in a different, better position next contract & should get a better deal. And in regards to BB, I just don't understand why the AAC doesn't invite WSU to complete the Navy membership - that too would give the AAC leverage next contract.

I was not saying that we should go a get Britton Banowsky, although CUSA's bowl agreements appear to be as good or better than ours at this moment. It kinda makes you wonder what he could do with a more marketable product.

I am saying, however, that we should start looking around for viable alternatives because Aresco does not appear to be getting the job done. Maybe someone should reach out, through a third party, to the guy who use be the commissioner for the Old Big East. See what he thinks about things that could be done to the boat back on course ...

The last commish of the Big East wasn't good so I don't think anyone would want to go down that road. With that said I think you keep Aresco until the next tv/bowl deals are negotiated. I think he has laid the groundwork for those deals which is why he originally signed a shorter deal. He gave the league a chance to establish itself with exposure. Now of course if that deal comes in really low or there isn't substantial improvement then I would agree it might be time to move on.

He's in his 60's. I don't think he plans to work forever. I suspect his tenure with the AAC will be relatively short regardless of the next contracts outcome.

Cbs sports isn't on the vue, so I hate when we play on that network.

(01-24-2017 03:03 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Cbs sports isn't on the vue, so I hate when we play on that network.

I think VUE is the best tv deal out there right now. The only reason I haven't switched to it is the exact reason you mentioned.

Because he has to deal with a free market placed that is driven totally by supply and demand. No disrespect here, but reality.