Nope. Las Vegas Bowl will stay where it is. Vegas casinos want the weekend it is located on to bring in visitors to the hotels and casinos. NYE is already booked solid.

Now look for Las Vegas to get into the rotation for the College Football Playoff championship game.

Didn't say anything about NYE. Nice try.

LV Bowl can be a major non-CFP bowl featuring Big Ten and PAC #2/#3/#4 (alternate with Holiday bowl for best teams outside of CFP/Rose/Orange (Big Ten), playing before NYE.

(01-21-2017 12:15 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Nope. Las Vegas Bowl will stay where it is. Vegas casinos want the weekend it is located on to bring in visitors to the hotels and casinos. NYE is already booked solid.

I suppose it's possible that the Las Vegas Bowl could either (1) make a play at another conference to replace the MWC, or (2) move up the pecking order for the Pac-12.

But honestly, the game completely works as it is. MWC vs. Pac-12, the Saturday before Christmas. "Local" teams, which matters when Bowl match-ups are being finalized only 2 weeks before the game --- LV is very accessible from the Rockies west but it's not quite so easy for the rest of the country. Perfect weekend, when hotels are available.

(01-21-2017 12:15 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Now look for Las Vegas to get into the rotation for the College Football Playoff championship game.

Now, this ---- this will definitely happen. I'd bet $ that Las Vegas hosts one of the 6 games following the 2020-2025 seasons (Florida, a non-Florida Southeast site, Texas, a northern site, and a California site hosting the 5 others).

(01-21-2017 12:45 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  But honestly, the game completely works as it is.

Oh, sure. It works perfectly ... for the MWC.

For whom a P5 v G5 matchup doesn't work perfectly: board of directors for bowl games, P5 confs.

(01-20-2017 07:35 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The Vegas casinos don't want a NYE/NYD bowl game. Their hotels are already full with people partying for New Year's and paying higher-than-normal room rates.

7-10 days after New Year's, for a CFP title game, that's something you could get the casino operators to really support, because their business is slower then.

7-10 days after NYD is the CES convention in Vegas. They aren't hurting with slower business then. A lot of people who go to CES come early to Vegas for New Years and stay for almost the 10 days as part vacation.

(01-21-2017 11:35 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  - LV Bowl dumps the MWC for the Big Ten, becomes another major non-CFP bowl featuring Big Ten vs PAC, plays in new Raiders stadium

Vegas is currently below the Foster Farms Bowl in the PAC's pecking order.

Foster Farms Bowl has had 3 years of a new stadium & a PAC/B1G tie-in. They have yet to hit the stadium's 50% attendance mark.

(01-21-2017 01:31 PM)SactoHornetAlum Wrote:  

(01-20-2017 07:35 PM)Wedge Wrote:  The Vegas casinos don't want a NYE/NYD bowl game. Their hotels are already full with people partying for New Year's and paying higher-than-normal room rates.

7-10 days after New Year's, for a CFP title game, that's something you could get the casino operators to really support, because their business is slower then.

7-10 days after NYD is the CES convention in Vegas. They aren't hurting with slower business then. A lot of people who go to CES come early to Vegas for New Years and stay for almost the 10 days as part vacation.

That's a good point about CES. If you compare the dates, there is more overlap between the CFP title game and CES in some years (eg 2017) but not others (eg 2020). So I suppose the casino operators would prefer that Vegas bid for the CFP title game in the latter situation rather than the former.

The question is, is there ever a slow week or month in Vegas? There's always conventions, fights (boxing, UFC), pageants, multiple conferences have basketball tournaments there, etc. It's cheap to fly to Vegas anywhere in the country and it's usually the place to go for bachelor/bachelorette parties not to mention the thousands of people who marry, divorce and have their honeymoons there every year. It's the place where people go to have fun or they just want to get away from work, stress, problems, etc.

Las Vegas could host the championship or the semis (in an expanded playoff). I predict neutral sites, not bowl games, would host semis in an expanded playoff. Can you imagine a team winning the Rose Bowl and Cotton Bowl in one year? I can't.

(01-20-2017 09:35 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Geesh, you guys need to get a grip on reality, no one is gonna care about a G5 anything unless it's teams in the CFP. People barely watch the semifinals (compared to the past) as it is, let alone the G5.

EGGxactly!!!!!!!!

No one's mentioned Big 12 possibility for Vegas
Alamo Bowl is already 2nd Big 12/2nd Pac 12
Pac 12 & Big 12 had talked about a B-ball series

Traditional Bowl sites in Jeopardy?
The New Las Vegas Stadium
Ram's NFL "Disney World"
Mercedes Benz Stadium, Atlanta
Detroit/Minnesota/Houston/Jerry World
Many More 2 come....

Cotton/Sugar left their original domain
How long B4 Rose says TaTa?

(01-21-2017 02:03 PM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 11:35 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  - LV Bowl dumps the MWC for the Big Ten, becomes another major non-CFP bowl featuring Big Ten vs PAC, plays in new Raiders stadium

Vegas is currently below the Foster Farms Bowl in the PAC's pecking order.

Foster Farms Bowl has had 3 years of a new stadium & a PAC/B1G tie-in. They have yet to hit the stadium's 50% attendance mark.

Foster Farms has been a flop. This years game between a big tenner and PAC tenner was one of the worst attended games. End the bowl. The San Francisco and Emerald did better with WAC/MWC vs BE/ACC/Army/Navy matchups
Cheers!

(01-21-2017 12:45 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 12:15 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Now look for Las Vegas to get into the rotation for the College Football Playoff championship game.

Now, this ---- this will definitely happen. I'd bet $ that Las Vegas hosts one of the 6 games following the 2020-2025 seasons (Florida, a non-Florida Southeast site, Texas, a northern site, and a California site hosting the 5 others).

If that's the way the CFP guys are thinking, then Las Vegas is probably competing with Arizona (Glendale) for that 6th game, with the others likely being Tampa (outside possibility for Miami), Atlanta or New Orleans, JerryWorld (outside possibility for Houston), Indy (longshot possibility for Detroit), and the new LA stadium (longshot possibility for Santa Clara). It's also possible that Atlanta and New Orleans would each get a game and one of the other "regions" would not.

(01-21-2017 04:31 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 12:45 PM)Nittany_Bearcat Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 12:15 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Now look for Las Vegas to get into the rotation for the College Football Playoff championship game.

Now, this ---- this will definitely happen. I'd bet $ that Las Vegas hosts one of the 6 games following the 2020-2025 seasons (Florida, a non-Florida Southeast site, Texas, a northern site, and a California site hosting the 5 others).

If that's the way the CFP guys are thinking, then Las Vegas is probably competing with Arizona (Glendale) for that 6th game, with the others likely being Tampa (outside possibility for Miami), Atlanta or New Orleans, JerryWorld (outside possibility for Houston), Indy (longshot possibility for Detroit), and the new LA stadium (longshot possibility for Santa Clara). It's also possible that Atlanta and New Orleans would each get a game and one of the other "regions" would not.

Minneapolis will be in the running with their new stadium.

(01-21-2017 02:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  Las Vegas could host the championship or the semis (in an expanded playoff). I predict neutral sites, not bowl games, would host semis in an expanded playoff. Can you imagine a team winning the Rose Bowl and Cotton Bowl in one year? I can't.

Neutral site hosting for Vegas does sound like the better idea.

I thought for the bowls to retain their value it was important for them to rotate the semifinal hosting every 3 years. If quarterfinals every other year are okay then it may work.

(01-21-2017 02:03 PM)ManleyPointer Wrote:  Vegas is currently below the Foster Farms Bowl in the PAC's pecking order.

Foster Farms Bowl has had 3 years of a new stadium & a PAC/B1G tie-in. They have yet to hit the stadium's 50% attendance mark.

Yeah, well who wants to travel to San Jose in the winter to sit in an outdoor stadium??

Las Vegas could easily assume that spot in the Big Ten and PAC's order.

(01-21-2017 02:29 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The question is, is there ever a slow week or month in Vegas? There's always conventions, fights (boxing, UFC), pageants, multiple conferences have basketball tournaments there, etc. It's cheap to fly to Vegas anywhere in the country and it's usually the place to go for bachelor/bachelorette parties not to mention the thousands of people who marry, divorce and have their honeymoons there every year. It's the place where people go to have fun or they just want to get away from work, stress, problems, etc.

Great points!

On a superficial level, I see 2 things working against it.

1-Too big a stage. It had a different "feel" in the Giants baseball stadium. 35k fans in a 40k stadium looks respectable. 35k fans in a 70k stadium looks sad. Something to keep in mind about the Vegas Bowl, since they'd be moving from a 40k Sam Boyd stadium.

2-The corporate name undermines the brand. Back when we had an invite, it was the "Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl". As bad as that was, at least Kraft is a strong brand. Now it's named after a local chicken slaughterhouse. Brings to mind an old SNL bit:

http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/I...Bowls.aspx

(01-21-2017 07:31 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(01-21-2017 02:54 PM)esayem Wrote:  Las Vegas could host the championship or the semis (in an expanded playoff). I predict neutral sites, not bowl games, would host semis in an expanded playoff. Can you imagine a team winning the Rose Bowl and Cotton Bowl in one year? I can't.

Neutral site hosting for Vegas does sound like the better idea.

I thought for the bowls to retain their value it was important for them to rotate the semifinal hosting every 3 years. If quarterfinals every other year are okay then it may work.

The problem with that is that it forces the semis and final further into January. Presidents aren't going to like that, and it puts you even more head to head with the NFL playoffs.

(01-21-2017 02:29 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  The question is, is there ever a slow week or month in Vegas? There's always conventions, fights (boxing, UFC), pageants, multiple conferences have basketball tournaments there, etc. It's cheap to fly to Vegas anywhere in the country and it's usually the place to go for bachelor/bachelorette parties not to mention the thousands of people who marry, divorce and have their honeymoons there every year. It's the place where people go to have fun or they just want to get away from work, stress, problems, etc.

There are definitely slow weeks/ends in Vegas. Week before Christmas is one of the slowest, as is most of December. That is why the Vegas Bowl is then.

Check out the differences in hotel rates. My husband's company did a retreat in Vegas in November. Room rate - $29/night. We stayed in the same hotel last weekend (MLK weekend) - room rate, $125/night.

(01-21-2017 11:35 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Simple as this:

- Holiday bowl gets upgraded to a major non-CFP bowl featuring Big Ten vs PAC, plays in new Rams/Chargers stadium

Simple as that? So a bowl designed to bring holiday tourists to San Diego will now be operated out of a stadium 2.5 hours away, and that is "simple?" The people who run the Holiday Bowl have no reason to do that. It doesn't help the people who foot the bill one bit.

That's why I believe the Rose Bowl game is destined to be demoted. The game is too much linked to the Rose Bowl Stadium to ever move. But sponsers will eventually want to play the playoff games in the new shiny stadiums. So the Rose Bowl will be demoted to Citrus Bowl status, continue to play on New Year's day, probably starting at 1pm eastern / 10 am pacific.