(01-11-2017 10:29 PM)Dukesfan71 Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 10:05 PM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  I think Mike Houston would leave for the right gig. But it would have to be the right one. He wouldnt pull any Whithers crap and jump in bed with the first FBS that showed interest.

I counted 15 or 16 schools that have geographical fit for Houston.Of those, almost half have a coach that was hired prior to this season. I think he could be a fit at a service academy. All of those guys are doing a nice job.

Paul Johnson and Dave Clawson doing nice jobs at Tech and Wake.

Biggest risk job is Vanderbilt, IMO. I dont think Derek Mason has that much rope left. Houston would be a VERY appealing hire for Vandy given his makeup.

Mason beat Georgia, Ole Miss and Tennessee this year. And they went to a bowl. He has at least two years there. Maybe Duke when Cutcliffe retires in 8 years.

Duke also a good call.

Duke maybe, I still think that NC State (if they have a 7-5 year or worse next year, they will be looking for a coach) and ECU 9Not next year, but maybe in 2-3 years) are real threats to take him away from JMU.

(01-12-2017 09:06 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  Duke maybe, I still think that NC State (if they have a 7-5 year or worse next year, they will be looking for a coach) and ECU 9Not next year, but maybe in 2-3 years) are real threats to take him away from JMU.

Yep...agreed.

If NC State has a 7-5 year next year, they won't be looking for a new HC.

They play South Carolina in Charlotte and travel to Notre Dame. FSU, Clemson and Louisville are in their division. 7-5 would actually be a respectable record for a program who hasn't won an ACC title since 1979.

edit note: Pack also will host annual cross-over division rival, UNCheat, and must travel in '17 to Pitt.

(01-12-2017 09:41 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  If NC State has a 7-5 year next year, they won't be looking for a new HC.

They play South Carolina in Charlotte and travel to Notre Dame. FSU, Clemson and Louisville are in their division. 7-5 would actually be a respectable record for a program who hasn't won an ACC title since 1979.

edit note: Pack also will host annual cross-over division rival, UNCheat, and must travel in '17 to Pitt.

I like you, but you're wrong. I know too many Wolfpack Club members that give a whole bunch of money that have HCDD on a short leash for next year. They will have a senior heavy team with lots of experience (probably the best D-Line in the ACC). DD has not won one single game against the better teams in the division. If he doesn't beat FSU or Louisville next year and the team goes 4-4 or worse in the ACC, he's gone. As Dirty would say, Book it!

(01-12-2017 09:59 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 09:41 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  If NC State has a 7-5 year next year, they won't be looking for a new HC.

They play South Carolina in Charlotte and travel to Notre Dame. FSU, Clemson and Louisville are in their division. 7-5 would actually be a respectable record for a program who hasn't won an ACC title since 1979.

edit note: Pack also will host annual cross-over division rival, UNCheat, and must travel in '17 to Pitt.

I like you, but you're wrong. I know too many Wolfpack Club members that give a whole bunch of money that have HCDD on a short leash for next year. They will have a senior heavy team with lots of experience (probably the best D-Line in the ACC). DD has not won one single game against the better teams in the division. If he doesn't beat FSU or Louisville next year and the team goes 4-4 or worse in the ACC, he's gone. As Dirty would say, Book it!

Fair enough. They are morons if they start all over again with a new HC off a 7-5 record (and meaningless exhibition game with chance to go 8-5) against that schedule. Whipping the Cheaters wins a lot of points for that fanbase. They lost by 4 to FSU at home and should have beaten national champs, Clemson, at their place. They beat a poor Notre Dame team in a monsoon. If they beat the Cheaters again next fall as one of those 7 wins and against that schedule they will have won some noteworthy games, and then fire him? That'd be really dumb to start all over again with a new staff...again, in Raleigh.

But, a lot of people do a lot of dumb things in this world. We'll see.

(01-12-2017 10:21 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 09:59 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 09:41 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  If NC State has a 7-5 year next year, they won't be looking for a new HC.

They play South Carolina in Charlotte and travel to Notre Dame. FSU, Clemson and Louisville are in their division. 7-5 would actually be a respectable record for a program who hasn't won an ACC title since 1979.

edit note: Pack also will host annual cross-over division rival, UNCheat, and must travel in '17 to Pitt.

I like you, but you're wrong. I know too many Wolfpack Club members that give a whole bunch of money that have HCDD on a short leash for next year. They will have a senior heavy team with lots of experience (probably the best D-Line in the ACC). DD has not won one single game against the better teams in the division. If he doesn't beat FSU or Louisville next year and the team goes 4-4 or worse in the ACC, he's gone. As Dirty would say, Book it!

Fair enough. They are morons if they start all over again with a new HC off a 7-5 record (and meaningless exhibition game with chance to go 8-5) against that schedule. Whipping the Cheaters wins a lot of points for that fanbase. They lost by 4 to FSU at home and should have beaten national champs, Clemson, at their place. They beat a poor Notre Dame team in a monsoon. If they beat the Cheaters again next fall as one of those 7 wins and against that schedule they will have won some noteworthy games, and then fire him? That'd be really dumb to start all over again with a new staff...again, in Raleigh.

But, a lot of people do a lot of dumb things in this world. We'll see.

I'm a State fan, and I agree with you that it probably wouldn't be the best move. I'm just saying that if he doesn't win 8, I think he's gone. I hope they win 10+, if for no other reason it means one fewer place for Houston to be tempted to go.

(01-12-2017 10:53 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 10:21 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 09:59 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 09:41 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  If NC State has a 7-5 year next year, they won't be looking for a new HC.

They play South Carolina in Charlotte and travel to Notre Dame. FSU, Clemson and Louisville are in their division. 7-5 would actually be a respectable record for a program who hasn't won an ACC title since 1979.

edit note: Pack also will host annual cross-over division rival, UNCheat, and must travel in '17 to Pitt.

I like you, but you're wrong. I know too many Wolfpack Club members that give a whole bunch of money that have HCDD on a short leash for next year. They will have a senior heavy team with lots of experience (probably the best D-Line in the ACC). DD has not won one single game against the better teams in the division. If he doesn't beat FSU or Louisville next year and the team goes 4-4 or worse in the ACC, he's gone. As Dirty would say, Book it!

Fair enough. They are morons if they start all over again with a new HC off a 7-5 record (and meaningless exhibition game with chance to go 8-5) against that schedule. Whipping the Cheaters wins a lot of points for that fanbase. They lost by 4 to FSU at home and should have beaten national champs, Clemson, at their place. They beat a poor Notre Dame team in a monsoon. If they beat the Cheaters again next fall as one of those 7 wins and against that schedule they will have won some noteworthy games, and then fire him? That'd be really dumb to start all over again with a new staff...again, in Raleigh.

But, a lot of people do a lot of dumb things in this world. We'll see.

I'm a State fan, and I agree with you that it probably wouldn't be the best move. I'm just saying that if he doesn't win 8, I think he's gone. I hope they win 10+, if for no other reason it means one fewer place for Houston to be tempted to go.

NCSU would pay Houston a ton of $$$, but I do think it is a tough job. Tough place to win more than 7 games/year.

(01-12-2017 10:53 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 10:21 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 09:59 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 09:41 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  If NC State has a 7-5 year next year, they won't be looking for a new HC.

They play South Carolina in Charlotte and travel to Notre Dame. FSU, Clemson and Louisville are in their division. 7-5 would actually be a respectable record for a program who hasn't won an ACC title since 1979.

edit note: Pack also will host annual cross-over division rival, UNCheat, and must travel in '17 to Pitt.

I like you, but you're wrong. I know too many Wolfpack Club members that give a whole bunch of money that have HCDD on a short leash for next year. They will have a senior heavy team with lots of experience (probably the best D-Line in the ACC). DD has not won one single game against the better teams in the division. If he doesn't beat FSU or Louisville next year and the team goes 4-4 or worse in the ACC, he's gone. As Dirty would say, Book it!

Fair enough. They are morons if they start all over again with a new HC off a 7-5 record (and meaningless exhibition game with chance to go 8-5) against that schedule. Whipping the Cheaters wins a lot of points for that fanbase. They lost by 4 to FSU at home and should have beaten national champs, Clemson, at their place. They beat a poor Notre Dame team in a monsoon. If they beat the Cheaters again next fall as one of those 7 wins and against that schedule they will have won some noteworthy games, and then fire him? That'd be really dumb to start all over again with a new staff...again, in Raleigh.

But, a lot of people do a lot of dumb things in this world. We'll see.

I'm a State fan, and I agree with you that it probably wouldn't be the best move. I'm just saying that if he doesn't win 8, I think he's gone. I hope they win 10+, if for no other reason it means one fewer place for Houston to be tempted to go.

I'm by no means saying Houston isn't worthy or would not be ready or a bad/risky hire here...just curious, how often have we seen D1AA HC's jump to P5 programs? The NDSU HC moved to a G5 program in Wyoming.

(01-12-2017 10:58 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  I'm by no means saying Houston isn't worthy or would not be ready or a bad/risky hire here...just curious, how often have we seen D1AA HC's jump to P5 programs? The NDSU HC moved to a G5 program in Wyoming.

I think we had this discussion earlier in this thread or in another thread last week. I'm sure BDK will give us the exact numbers, but there are not many in the last 30 years. One school that did do it and had one of their more successful coaches as a result was NC State when they hired Dick Sheridan from Furman. In fact, in the last 30 years, he is the only coach that has not ended his tenure with the Wolfpack by being fired.

Mike London--Richmond to UVA
Jim Tressell--Youngstown State to Ohio State
Jim Harbaugh--San Diego to Stanford

...just off the top of my head

(01-12-2017 11:33 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 10:58 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  I'm by no means saying Houston isn't worthy or would not be ready or a bad/risky hire here...just curious, how often have we seen D1AA HC's jump to P5 programs? The NDSU HC moved to a G5 program in Wyoming.

I think we had this discussion earlier in this thread or in another thread last week. I'm sure BDK will give us the exact numbers, but there are not many in the last 30 years. One school that did do it and had one of their more successful coaches as a result was NC State when they hired Dick Sheridan from Furman. In fact, in the last 30 years, he is the only coach that has not ended his tenure with the Wolfpack by being fired.

Mike London--Richmond to UVA
Jim Tressell--Youngstown State to Ohio State
Jim Harbaugh--San Diego to Stanford

...just off the top of my head

Thanks!

(01-12-2017 09:06 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  Duke maybe, I still think that NC State (if they have a 7-5 year or worse next year, they will be looking for a coach) and ECU 9Not next year, but maybe in 2-3 years) are real threats to take him away from JMU.

It won't sting as much if he helps us knock both off in the coming years.

Let's just get to FBS in the next 1-2 years and take Houston along for the ride-and put all this speculation to rest .


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(01-12-2017 10:58 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 10:53 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 10:21 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 09:59 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 09:41 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  If NC State has a 7-5 year next year, they won't be looking for a new HC.

They play South Carolina in Charlotte and travel to Notre Dame. FSU, Clemson and Louisville are in their division. 7-5 would actually be a respectable record for a program who hasn't won an ACC title since 1979.

edit note: Pack also will host annual cross-over division rival, UNCheat, and must travel in '17 to Pitt.

I like you, but you're wrong. I know too many Wolfpack Club members that give a whole bunch of money that have HCDD on a short leash for next year. They will have a senior heavy team with lots of experience (probably the best D-Line in the ACC). DD has not won one single game against the better teams in the division. If he doesn't beat FSU or Louisville next year and the team goes 4-4 or worse in the ACC, he's gone. As Dirty would say, Book it!

Fair enough. They are morons if they start all over again with a new HC off a 7-5 record (and meaningless exhibition game with chance to go 8-5) against that schedule. Whipping the Cheaters wins a lot of points for that fanbase. They lost by 4 to FSU at home and should have beaten national champs, Clemson, at their place. They beat a poor Notre Dame team in a monsoon. If they beat the Cheaters again next fall as one of those 7 wins and against that schedule they will have won some noteworthy games, and then fire him? That'd be really dumb to start all over again with a new staff...again, in Raleigh.

But, a lot of people do a lot of dumb things in this world. We'll see.

I'm a State fan, and I agree with you that it probably wouldn't be the best move. I'm just saying that if he doesn't win 8, I think he's gone. I hope they win 10+, if for no other reason it means one fewer place for Houston to be tempted to go.

I'm by no means saying Houston isn't worthy or would not be ready or a bad/risky hire here...just curious, how often have we seen D1AA HC's jump to P5 programs? The NDSU HC moved to a G5 program in Wyoming.

Go back a page on this thread.
http://csnbbs.com/thread-802720-post-139...id13958707

(01-12-2017 01:23 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 10:58 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 10:53 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 10:21 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 09:59 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  I like you, but you're wrong. I know too many Wolfpack Club members that give a whole bunch of money that have HCDD on a short leash for next year. They will have a senior heavy team with lots of experience (probably the best D-Line in the ACC). DD has not won one single game against the better teams in the division. If he doesn't beat FSU or Louisville next year and the team goes 4-4 or worse in the ACC, he's gone. As Dirty would say, Book it!

Fair enough. They are morons if they start all over again with a new HC off a 7-5 record (and meaningless exhibition game with chance to go 8-5) against that schedule. Whipping the Cheaters wins a lot of points for that fanbase. They lost by 4 to FSU at home and should have beaten national champs, Clemson, at their place. They beat a poor Notre Dame team in a monsoon. If they beat the Cheaters again next fall as one of those 7 wins and against that schedule they will have won some noteworthy games, and then fire him? That'd be really dumb to start all over again with a new staff...again, in Raleigh.

But, a lot of people do a lot of dumb things in this world. We'll see.

I'm a State fan, and I agree with you that it probably wouldn't be the best move. I'm just saying that if he doesn't win 8, I think he's gone. I hope they win 10+, if for no other reason it means one fewer place for Houston to be tempted to go.

I'm by no means saying Houston isn't worthy or would not be ready or a bad/risky hire here...just curious, how often have we seen D1AA HC's jump to P5 programs? The NDSU HC moved to a G5 program in Wyoming.

Go back a page on this thread.
http://csnbbs.com/thread-802720-post-139...id13958707

Thank you. Apologies for my laziness.

(01-02-2017 03:39 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  As mentioned earlier Bohl won 3 titles at NDSU before bokting for Wyoming. And that was after 11 seasons at YSU

Can't think of many that have made the jump from I-AA HC to (what is now) P5 HC.
-Donnan to UGA in 96' after 6 seasons at Marshall. After his 1st season at Marshall (no playoffs) Marshall went to 5 straight to semifinals, making 4 NC game appearances, winning 1.
-Tressel from YSU to Ohio St in 2001 after 15 seasons at YSU, where he coached YSU to 6 NC game appearances, winning 4. Actually 3 straight seasons 91'-93' it was Marshall vs YSU in the NC game.
-London after 2 seasons at RU (won NC, lost in qtr finals) to UVA..which turned out to be a disaster..
I'm sure there are few others going back the last 30+ years..

I'd be very surprised if after less than 5 seasons at JMU Houston landed a P5 HC job. The most likely scenario for Houston, even if after multiple NC game appearances (hopefully) at JMU would be a G5 HC gig (which could be JMU if a move up announcement is made in the next couple of years)..

Or, a P5 or G5 well paid coordinator job.

(01-12-2017 11:36 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 11:33 AM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 10:58 AM)Wear Purple Wrote:  I'm by no means saying Houston isn't worthy or would not be ready or a bad/risky hire here...just curious, how often have we seen D1AA HC's jump to P5 programs? The NDSU HC moved to a G5 program in Wyoming.

I think we had this discussion earlier in this thread or in another thread last week. I'm sure BDK will give us the exact numbers, but there are not many in the last 30 years. One school that did do it and had one of their more successful coaches as a result was NC State when they hired Dick Sheridan from Furman. In fact, in the last 30 years, he is the only coach that has not ended his tenure with the Wolfpack by being fired.

Mike London--Richmond to UVA
Jim Tressell--Youngstown State to Ohio State
Jim Harbaugh--San Diego to Stanford

...just off the top of my head

Thanks!

Add Donnan to that list (UGA to marshal 96'
I was missing Harbaugh...

(01-12-2017 01:28 PM)JMU1985 Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:39 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  As mentioned earlier Bohl won 3 titles at NDSU before bokting for Wyoming. And that was after 11 seasons at YSU

Can't think of many that have made the jump from I-AA HC to (what is now) P5 HC.
-Donnan to UGA in 96' after 6 seasons at Marshall. After his 1st season at Marshall (no playoffs) Marshall went to 5 straight to semifinals, making 4 NC game appearances, winning 1.
-Tressel from YSU to Ohio St in 2001 after 15 seasons at YSU, where he coached YSU to 6 NC game appearances, winning 4. Actually 3 straight seasons 91'-93' it was Marshall vs YSU in the NC game.
-London after 2 seasons at RU (won NC, lost in qtr finals) to UVA..which turned out to be a disaster..
I'm sure there are few others going back the last 30+ years..

I'd be very surprised if after less than 5 seasons at JMU Houston landed a P5 HC job. The most likely scenario for Houston, even if after multiple NC game appearances (hopefully) at JMU would be a G5 HC gig (which could be JMU if a move up announcement is made in the next couple of years)..

Or, a P5 or G5 well paid coordinator job.

Major P5 yes. I couldn't see Houston going from JMU to a G5 coordinator..

(01-11-2017 10:51 PM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 10:29 PM)Dukesfan71 Wrote:  

(01-11-2017 10:05 PM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  I think Mike Houston would leave for the right gig. But it would have to be the right one. He wouldnt pull any Whithers crap and jump in bed with the first FBS that showed interest.

I counted 15 or 16 schools that have geographical fit for Houston.Of those, almost half have a coach that was hired prior to this season. I think he could be a fit at a service academy. All of those guys are doing a nice job.

Paul Johnson and Dave Clawson doing nice jobs at Tech and Wake.

Biggest risk job is Vanderbilt, IMO. I dont think Derek Mason has that much rope left. Houston would be a VERY appealing hire for Vandy given his makeup.

Mason beat Georgia, Ole Miss and Tennessee this year. And they went to a bowl. He has at least two years there. Maybe Duke when Cutcliffe retires in 8 years.

Duke also a good call.

Would be better if the current Administration/Leadership could find a way to control our own future and act versus being acted upon. Problem is that this takes time but you must start. I'm not being negative on the current leadership. They might be doing something and I am just ignorant. Yet, the only way forward is to be proactive and not reactive.

If you guys want me to go ahead and write a check for 20 million bucks to keep Houston at JMU for the next decade, I will.

I mean, it's a check.