Here is the link:

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...p-j-fleck/

(01-06-2017 09:16 AM)Maize Wrote:  Here is the link:

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...p-j-fleck/

Good for him!

Decent...well good move for PJ. He did well recruiting at W. Michigan and should do pretty well at Minnesota being in the same region and all.

He really wants to lose to Wisconsin again!

Fleck is tired of winning titles and wants to secure his retirement fund.

(01-06-2017 09:31 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Fleck is tired of winning titles and wants to secure his retirement fund.

More like title. He has 1 CC, 2016.

So much for the WMU fans who claimed he was getting a 10 year contract worth 30 million to stay.

It's the type of hire I approve of, generally speaking: hiring a successful head coach from a regional G5. Sometimes that works, sometimes not.


However, speaking specifically of Fleck: he's a salesman first, coach second. Not my preference. But will be interesting to see what he does.


You always hope these types of moves will end up like Urban Meyer from Bowling Green to Utah. That's the best case, in my opinion.

I really thought PJ was going to hold out for an elite or semi-elite job, but in the end a 425% pay increase is hard to turn down. Especially when it is guaranteed for 6 years.

(01-06-2017 10:56 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I really thought PJ was going to hold out for an elite or semi-elite job, but in the end a 425% pay increase is hard to turn down. Especially when it is guaranteed for 6 years.

Wow, that means Minnesota more than doubled the previous salary which was 1.4 if I remember correctly. That's a big jump.

(01-06-2017 10:56 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I really thought PJ was going to hold out for an elite or semi-elite job, but in the end a 425% pay increase is hard to turn down. Especially when it is guaranteed for 6 years.

Fleck might have had to hold out for a very long time. He couldn't even get an interview for Oregon or any of the other major job openings this year. Maybe those programs think he needs a few more or several more years as a head coach before he's ready for a big job. And if he stayed at WMU there would be the risk that his next two seasons would be 7-5 or 6-6 and his name would fall off the list of "hot" coaches.

(01-06-2017 10:01 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  It's the type of hire I approve of, generally speaking: hiring a successful head coach from a regional G5. Sometimes that works, sometimes not.


However, speaking specifically of Fleck: he's a salesman first, coach second. Not my preference. But will be interesting to see what he does.


You always hope these types of moves will end up like Urban Meyer from Bowling Green to Utah. That's the best case, in my opinion.

I won't go as far as to say that Minny hired another Urban Meyer just yet, but PJ did seem to land in a better spot than most of his MAC contemporaries who end up hitting the payday lotto.

We all know how it turned out for the likes of Hazell, Beckman and Campbell over at Iowa State...taking jobs with garbage support (actually, Iowa State puts effort out) as if miracles just happen every day.

Minnesota paid for PJ about double than what any MAC coach has been paid to leave before. 21 million over the life of the contract.

That was notable but what it comes down to isnt the money as much as getting a chance to make your own footprint at a school on multiyear contract. These guys are program builders not sustainers.

I think PJ could be at Minnesota a long, long time. They have great new stadium and play in the Big Ten. Its a mid tier B1G job with the implosion of Illinois and Rutgers. He could make into a serious player for the West division.

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Way better job than Purdue. You can win at Minn, it's not an elite job but it's on the side of the BIG that is winnable.

(01-06-2017 12:57 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I think PJ could be at Minnesota a long, long time.

Yes.

But only if his ego doesn't get him run outta town because flashy doesn't make friends up here. Watch this 2 min video to get a better understanding.

"It's OK to feel good about things here, no sense running down the street telling people at the top of your voice. Minnesotans prefer to express their postive feelings through the use of negatives."





Tim Brewster was a cheerleading Goofer football coach up here and is routinely the butt of many jokes. "Get your dadgum chili hot! Get that chili hot!"

On the opposite spectrum, Ron Gardenhire coached the Twins to be the worst team in baseball but his quiet manners keep his still firmly rooted as a fan favorite and regular guest and interview subject.

Fleck is way more Brewster than Gardie. Fleck beware.

(01-06-2017 01:09 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Way better job than Purdue. You can win at Minn, it's not an elite job but it's on the side of the BIG that is winnable.

Purdue is also in the west division.

Illinois should be a better job than Purdue and Minnesota, but they've made several dubious coaching hires since Mackovic was there.

(01-06-2017 12:36 PM)AllPtsBulletin Wrote:  I won't go as far as to say that Minny hired another Urban Meyer just yet

I didn't say that. I said that would be the best case scenario.

(01-06-2017 12:57 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I think PJ could be at Minnesota a long, long time. They have great new stadium and play in the Big Ten. Its a mid tier B1G job with the implosion of Illinois and Rutgers. He could make into a serious player for the West division.

Well, the stadium is new-ish. Opened in 2009. It is pretty nice, if a little undersized compared to Iowa and Wisconsin. But it's right sized for Minnesota crowds.

The new thing is the athlete's village, all new practice facilities. That will be a huge selling point for recruits.


But anyway, the thing that I want to keep reminding people is just how bad Wisconsin was before Barry got there. And look at them today. So ... just saying, and will keep saying, if folks can win football games at Wisconsin, they can do it at Minnesota.

(01-06-2017 01:09 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Way better job than Purdue. You can win at Minn, it's not an elite job but it's on the side of the BIG that is winnable.

Huh? Purdue is in the West.

(01-06-2017 01:28 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  But only if his ego doesn't get him run outta town

He can say anything he wants, if he wins. Brewster's shtick got real old, real fast, when he couldn't deliver.

He was, and is, a career Tight Ends coach. Apparently, he could recruit players with "high stars" to Texas. Or so we were told. I don't think that works in Minnesota. At least not past the first fall, once it turns cold and the player's saying to himself "it's zero degrees and I'm a thousand miles from home ... what am I doing?!"

(01-06-2017 01:32 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Illinois should be a better job than Purdue and Minnesota

Here's the problem with Illinois and Purdue: they're out in the middle of nowhere, and they're male dominated. Agriculture + math/science/engineering nerds, and no med school (Illinois's public med school is at UI Chicago). So, not as many females.

Can't be a popular place with football players.


On the other hand, Minn is literally right across the river from downtown Mpls. Now, that may actually be too much of a good thing ... but just saying,

I would like to see him being challenged with good coaching. Let him and Minnesota team face North Dakota State and see them lose to them.

Probability of Minnesota scheduling NDSU in football in the next 20 years: roughly 0.000000000000000000000001%

(01-06-2017 09:43 AM)p23570 Wrote:  

(01-06-2017 09:31 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  Fleck is tired of winning titles and wants to secure his retirement fund.

So much for the WMU fans who claimed he was getting a 10 year contract worth 30 million to stay.

The 10 year 30 million could've been on the table which is 3mil/yr Minnesota offered 21 mill over 6 years which is 3.5Mil/yr... Wmu might not have been willing to match.

A directional university in Michigan even has that kind of money, in the first place???

Didn't think there were that many filthy rich blueberry farmers out in Western Michigan ...