(01-01-2017 10:52 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 10:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 10:45 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 10:36 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Big ten champs PSU should be in the playoffs.

Then they should have beaten Pitt.

FWIW, Clemson didn't beat Pitt either, and they are in the national title game.

And that was Clemsons only loss. PSU also got blown out by Michigan. So if two 3-4 loss teams wins conference championship games in the same season one of them should get into the playoff?

I mean you're the one who made the asinine comment about losing to Pitt. In truth losing by 30+ to me automatically disqualifies you from being in the playoffs just about any year.

Regardless of what PSU does today, they had no business being in the playoffs after the Michigan fiasco

How come Big Ten fans can crow about media deals, top 10 teams, etc. ALL SEASON, but let the B1G be exposed in the bowls and all of a sudden it's wrong to talk smack...? If you dish it out, be prepared to take it.

Sent from my HTC Desire 626 using CSNbbs mobile app

(01-02-2017 04:40 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 10:52 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 10:47 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 10:45 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 10:36 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Big ten champs PSU should be in the playoffs.

Then they should have beaten Pitt.

FWIW, Clemson didn't beat Pitt either, and they are in the national title game.

And that was Clemsons only loss. PSU also got blown out by Michigan. So if two 3-4 loss teams wins conference championship games in the same season one of them should get into the playoff?

I mean you're the one who made the asinine comment about losing to Pitt. In truth losing by 30+ to me automatically disqualifies you from being in the playoffs just about any year.

Regardless of what PSU does today, they had no business being in the playoffs after the Michigan fiasco

Exactly. Their resume wasn't strong enough regardless of Ohio State's performance or their own performance in the Rose Bowl.

(01-02-2017 03:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I guess we'll see tonight. If Penn St beats the hottest, true best team in the PAC, then there will be zero doubt in my mind that the following is factual:

2014 - Ohio St proved it was the best team in the nation
2015 - Ohio St would've proved it was the best team in the nation, if given the chance
2016 - Penn St would've proved it was the best team in the nation, if given the chance

Ohio State didn't deserve its selection in 2014 regardless of its performance. TCU had the better resume but the CFP (in its first year) needed big names and a small private Texas school didn't have the clout that Ohio State has.

(01-01-2017 10:50 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 10:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  B1G is now 2-5 in bowl games, including losses in the Orange and Fiesta Bowls.

All year long, I (and Massey and Sagarin, LOL) tried to tell you that the B1G wasn't the best, they were maybe third or fourth, but all I heard was:

"The B1G has 4 of the 10 best teams, that makes them the best conference !!!!"

Never mind that a conference includes all members, not just the best four.

And never mind that those "best 4" didn't do much OOC to merit the praise. Ohio State got all kinds of credit for beating an Oklahoma team that Houston dusted.

Now two of those "B1G 4" are 0-2 in NY6 games.

Sure, the B1G will win the Cotton, thanks to getting to play the G5 champ (LOL). And Iowa will probably beat Florida, because Florida couldn't score on a high school team. But they've already been exposed.

The B1G wasn't the best conference, remember that next year when their "best 4" are overrated again.

So Ohio State shouldn't have gotten credit for beating the Big XII champs on the road? Not neutral site, but in Norman.

Michigan beat the Pac-12 South champs Colorado.

Maybe playing ACC teams would be more informative. The ACC seems to be better than both.

(01-02-2017 06:06 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I guess we'll see tonight. If Penn St beats the hottest, true best team in the PAC, then there will be zero doubt in my mind that the following is factual:

2014 - Ohio St proved it was the best team in the nation
2015 - Ohio St would've proved it was the best team in the nation, if given the chance
2016 - Penn St would've proved it was the best team in the nation, if given the chance

Ohio State didn't deserve its selection in 2014 regardless of its performance. TCU had the better resume but the CFP (in its first year) needed big names and a small private Texas school didn't have the clout that Ohio State has.

Dude get the **** out of here with that absolute GARBAGE. TCU lost to Baylor, so they were not the Big 12 team that was even the highest ranked. Baylor was. Ohio St actually had some stones and played a good OOC schedule, PLUS had the Big Ten title game. Baylor didn't. THAT is why Ohio St made the playoff, not your black helicopter bulljive.

oh, and beyond that- folks on the committee just don't think the big 12 gimmick offense/no defense set up- means anything.

Watching TCU boatrace Ole Miss by 50, I would bet heavy money they would've won the title that year.

(01-02-2017 06:16 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 10:50 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 10:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  B1G is now 2-5 in bowl games, including losses in the Orange and Fiesta Bowls.

All year long, I (and Massey and Sagarin, LOL) tried to tell you that the B1G wasn't the best, they were maybe third or fourth, but all I heard was:

"The B1G has 4 of the 10 best teams, that makes them the best conference !!!!"

Never mind that a conference includes all members, not just the best four.

And never mind that those "best 4" didn't do much OOC to merit the praise. Ohio State got all kinds of credit for beating an Oklahoma team that Houston dusted.

Now two of those "B1G 4" are 0-2 in NY6 games.

Sure, the B1G will win the Cotton, thanks to getting to play the G5 champ (LOL). And Iowa will probably beat Florida, because Florida couldn't score on a high school team. But they've already been exposed.

The B1G wasn't the best conference, remember that next year when their "best 4" are overrated again.

So Ohio State shouldn't have gotten credit for beating the Big XII champs on the road? Not neutral site, but in Norman.

Michigan beat the Pac-12 South champs Colorado.

Maybe playing ACC teams would be more informative. The ACC seems to be better than both.

Urban doesn't want any more of the ACC. Half his losses at Ohio State are to ACC schools.

(01-02-2017 07:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:16 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 10:50 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 10:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  B1G is now 2-5 in bowl games, including losses in the Orange and Fiesta Bowls.

All year long, I (and Massey and Sagarin, LOL) tried to tell you that the B1G wasn't the best, they were maybe third or fourth, but all I heard was:

"The B1G has 4 of the 10 best teams, that makes them the best conference !!!!"

Never mind that a conference includes all members, not just the best four.

And never mind that those "best 4" didn't do much OOC to merit the praise. Ohio State got all kinds of credit for beating an Oklahoma team that Houston dusted.

Now two of those "B1G 4" are 0-2 in NY6 games.

Sure, the B1G will win the Cotton, thanks to getting to play the G5 champ (LOL). And Iowa will probably beat Florida, because Florida couldn't score on a high school team. But they've already been exposed.

The B1G wasn't the best conference, remember that next year when their "best 4" are overrated again.

So Ohio State shouldn't have gotten credit for beating the Big XII champs on the road? Not neutral site, but in Norman.

Michigan beat the Pac-12 South champs Colorado.

Maybe playing ACC teams would be more informative. The ACC seems to be better than both.

Urban doesn't want any more of the ACC. Half his losses at Ohio State are to ACC schools.

He sure gave up on the SEC when he coached at UF, also.

Little 10= 3-7 in bowl games.

little 10 east- 0-5 in bowl games, 0-3 in NY6 games.

B1G goes 1-3 in NY6 bowls, only win over MAC champ.

(01-02-2017 07:11 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 07:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:16 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(01-01-2017 10:50 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 10:21 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  B1G is now 2-5 in bowl games, including losses in the Orange and Fiesta Bowls.

All year long, I (and Massey and Sagarin, LOL) tried to tell you that the B1G wasn't the best, they were maybe third or fourth, but all I heard was:

"The B1G has 4 of the 10 best teams, that makes them the best conference !!!!"

Never mind that a conference includes all members, not just the best four.

And never mind that those "best 4" didn't do much OOC to merit the praise. Ohio State got all kinds of credit for beating an Oklahoma team that Houston dusted.

Now two of those "B1G 4" are 0-2 in NY6 games.

Sure, the B1G will win the Cotton, thanks to getting to play the G5 champ (LOL). And Iowa will probably beat Florida, because Florida couldn't score on a high school team. But they've already been exposed.

The B1G wasn't the best conference, remember that next year when their "best 4" are overrated again.

So Ohio State shouldn't have gotten credit for beating the Big XII champs on the road? Not neutral site, but in Norman.

Michigan beat the Pac-12 South champs Colorado.

Maybe playing ACC teams would be more informative. The ACC seems to be better than both.

Urban doesn't want any more of the ACC. Half his losses at Ohio State are to ACC schools.

He sure gave up on the SEC when he coached at UF, also.

I know you're stirring the pot, but didn't urban meyer have a heart attack that curtailed his time in Gainesville? He would have likely left for OSU if given the opportunity anyways, but I think he only quit because of health reasons.

(01-02-2017 06:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:06 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I guess we'll see tonight. If Penn St beats the hottest, true best team in the PAC, then there will be zero doubt in my mind that the following is factual:

2014 - Ohio St proved it was the best team in the nation
2015 - Ohio St would've proved it was the best team in the nation, if given the chance
2016 - Penn St would've proved it was the best team in the nation, if given the chance

Ohio State didn't deserve its selection in 2014 regardless of its performance. TCU had the better resume but the CFP (in its first year) needed big names and a small private Texas school didn't have the clout that Ohio State has.

Dude get the **** out of here with that absolute GARBAGE. TCU lost to Baylor, so they were not the Big 12 team that was even the highest ranked. Baylor was. Ohio St actually had some stones and played a good OOC schedule, PLUS had the Big Ten title game. Baylor didn't. THAT is why Ohio St made the playoff, not your black helicopter bulljive.

Conversation is about TCU, not Baylor.

(01-02-2017 10:21 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:06 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I guess we'll see tonight. If Penn St beats the hottest, true best team in the PAC, then there will be zero doubt in my mind that the following is factual:

2014 - Ohio St proved it was the best team in the nation
2015 - Ohio St would've proved it was the best team in the nation, if given the chance
2016 - Penn St would've proved it was the best team in the nation, if given the chance

Ohio State didn't deserve its selection in 2014 regardless of its performance. TCU had the better resume but the CFP (in its first year) needed big names and a small private Texas school didn't have the clout that Ohio State has.

Dude get the **** out of here with that absolute GARBAGE. TCU lost to Baylor, so they were not the Big 12 team that was even the highest ranked. Baylor was. Ohio St actually had some stones and played a good OOC schedule, PLUS had the Big Ten title game. Baylor didn't. THAT is why Ohio St made the playoff, not your black helicopter bulljive.

Conversation is about TCU, not Baylor.

But the problem is TCU wasn't the team that was being compared to Ohio St. Baylor was. In THAT committee's mind, Baylor was the Big 12 champion.

(01-02-2017 10:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 10:21 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:06 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 03:48 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  I guess we'll see tonight. If Penn St beats the hottest, true best team in the PAC, then there will be zero doubt in my mind that the following is factual:

2014 - Ohio St proved it was the best team in the nation
2015 - Ohio St would've proved it was the best team in the nation, if given the chance
2016 - Penn St would've proved it was the best team in the nation, if given the chance

Ohio State didn't deserve its selection in 2014 regardless of its performance. TCU had the better resume but the CFP (in its first year) needed big names and a small private Texas school didn't have the clout that Ohio State has.

Dude get the **** out of here with that absolute GARBAGE. TCU lost to Baylor, so they were not the Big 12 team that was even the highest ranked. Baylor was. Ohio St actually had some stones and played a good OOC schedule, PLUS had the Big Ten title game. Baylor didn't. THAT is why Ohio St made the playoff, not your black helicopter bulljive.

Conversation is about TCU, not Baylor.

But the problem is TCU wasn't the team that was being compared to Ohio St. Baylor was. In THAT committee's mind, Baylor was the Big 12 champion.

The committee was short sighted.

(01-02-2017 10:26 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 10:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 10:21 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:06 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  Ohio State didn't deserve its selection in 2014 regardless of its performance. TCU had the better resume but the CFP (in its first year) needed big names and a small private Texas school didn't have the clout that Ohio State has.

Dude get the **** out of here with that absolute GARBAGE. TCU lost to Baylor, so they were not the Big 12 team that was even the highest ranked. Baylor was. Ohio St actually had some stones and played a good OOC schedule, PLUS had the Big Ten title game. Baylor didn't. THAT is why Ohio St made the playoff, not your black helicopter bulljive.

Conversation is about TCU, not Baylor.

But the problem is TCU wasn't the team that was being compared to Ohio St. Baylor was. In THAT committee's mind, Baylor was the Big 12 champion.

The committee was short sighted.

yeah head to head got it for Baylor.

But realistically the committee didn't view what the Big 12 had as being legit. A lot of older coaches on that committee and they view the spread as a complete joke.

(01-02-2017 10:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 10:26 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 10:23 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 10:21 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(01-02-2017 06:19 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Dude get the **** out of here with that absolute GARBAGE. TCU lost to Baylor, so they were not the Big 12 team that was even the highest ranked. Baylor was. Ohio St actually had some stones and played a good OOC schedule, PLUS had the Big Ten title game. Baylor didn't. THAT is why Ohio St made the playoff, not your black helicopter bulljive.

Conversation is about TCU, not Baylor.

But the problem is TCU wasn't the team that was being compared to Ohio St. Baylor was. In THAT committee's mind, Baylor was the Big 12 champion.

The committee was short sighted.

yeah head to head got it for Baylor.

But realistically the committee didn't view what the Big 12 had as being legit. A lot of older coaches on that committee and they view the spread as a complete joke.

And that is why the committee is a joke. To have those coaches immediately discount a team because of their offenses is ridiculous.

Y'all create a pissing match thread about Baylor and TCU from a few years ago. This one is for laughing at how overrated the Big Slow was this year.

(01-02-2017 10:31 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Y'all create a pissing match thread about Baylor and TCU from a few years ago. This one is for laughing at how overrated the Big Slow was this year.

Don't worry, Kaplony, I have plenty of venom for the Little 10.