(12-12-2016 11:19 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I have no desire to undermine FAU's hire (I said this on our board long before he was hired), but has there ever been someone who got so much who did so little? I don't understand the appeal of Kiffin. He keeps getting jobs without proving any success of being a head coach. As a head coach, he failed in the NFL. He failed at Tennessee. He failed at USC.

And as an OC at Bama I really wonder how many of us here on this board couldn't draw up plays in the dirt and be as successful. Hell, Bama probably had seven or eight NFLers on the field at any point offensively going up against teams that might have a couple of NFL caliber defenders.

Kiffin had nightmarish time trying to figure out UT Chattanooga's defense earlier this year.

I just don't get all the appeal for this guy.

He's definitely the Sam Bradford of coaching, but if he just brings some attention and big time recruiting to FAU for a year or two, that's a good thing.

(12-12-2016 11:27 AM)FIUFanatic Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 11:24 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  MT and wkcc have done a good job of recruiting Florida. I wonder if these coaches who will be better at keeping talent home will force us to rethink our Florida recruiting strategies??

Not necessarily, but recruiting for you guys down here will be that much more competitive and hard due to these new entries as coaches at FIU and FAU.

Wasn't just thinking FIU and FAU either. Ton of good recruiters leading programs down there now. This tweet...

Jon Solomon @JonSolomonCBS
Recruiting Florida will be crazy: Jimbo Fisher, Mark Richt, Jim McElwain, Charlie Strong, Lane Kiffin, Butch Davis, Scott Frost. Have at it.
10:55 AM - 12 Dec 2016

(12-12-2016 11:19 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I have no desire to undermine FAU's hire (I said this on our board long before he was hired), but has there ever been someone who got so much who did so little? I don't understand the appeal of Kiffin. He keeps getting jobs without proving any success of being a head coach. As a head coach, he failed in the NFL. He failed at Tennessee. He failed at USC.

And as an OC at Bama I really wonder how many of us here on this board couldn't draw up plays in the dirt and be as successful. Hell, Bama probably had seven or eight NFLers on the field at any point offensively going up against teams that might have a couple of NFL caliber defenders.

Kiffin had nightmarish time trying to figure out UT Chattanooga's defense earlier this year.

I just don't get all the appeal for this guy.

I agree entirely. Hope he works out ofr FAU, but don't see it as a homerun at all.

a gamble, but if it does pay off, this can be a huge win for FAU.

(12-12-2016 11:32 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 11:19 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I have no desire to undermine FAU's hire (I said this on our board long before he was hired), but has there ever been someone who got so much who did so little? I don't understand the appeal of Kiffin. He keeps getting jobs without proving any success of being a head coach. As a head coach, he failed in the NFL. He failed at Tennessee. He failed at USC.

And as an OC at Bama I really wonder how many of us here on this board couldn't draw up plays in the dirt and be as successful. Hell, Bama probably had seven or eight NFLers on the field at any point offensively going up against teams that might have a couple of NFL caliber defenders.

Kiffin had nightmarish time trying to figure out UT Chattanooga's defense earlier this year.

I just don't get all the appeal for this guy.

He's definitely the Sam Bradford of coaching, but if he just brings some attention and big time recruiting to FAU for a year or two, that's a good thing.

winning record at usc
winning record at tennessee

I like it, at a minimum it makes a splash. Every conference needs a villain, and it looks like CUSA has ours now. Embrace and enjoy the role FAU

(12-12-2016 11:49 AM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 11:32 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 11:19 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I have no desire to undermine FAU's hire (I said this on our board long before he was hired), but has there ever been someone who got so much who did so little? I don't understand the appeal of Kiffin. He keeps getting jobs without proving any success of being a head coach. As a head coach, he failed in the NFL. He failed at Tennessee. He failed at USC.

And as an OC at Bama I really wonder how many of us here on this board couldn't draw up plays in the dirt and be as successful. Hell, Bama probably had seven or eight NFLers on the field at any point offensively going up against teams that might have a couple of NFL caliber defenders.

Kiffin had nightmarish time trying to figure out UT Chattanooga's defense earlier this year.

I just don't get all the appeal for this guy.

He's definitely the Sam Bradford of coaching, but if he just brings some attention and big time recruiting to FAU for a year or two, that's a good thing.

winning record at usc
winning record at tennessee

a winning record will probably be fine at FAU but you are kidding yourself if you think a winning record is the standard for success at either of those programs.

(12-12-2016 11:37 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 11:27 AM)FIUFanatic Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 11:24 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  MT and wkcc have done a good job of recruiting Florida. I wonder if these coaches who will be better at keeping talent home will force us to rethink our Florida recruiting strategies??

Not necessarily, but recruiting for you guys down here will be that much more competitive and hard due to these new entries as coaches at FIU and FAU.

Wasn't just thinking FIU and FAU either. Ton of good recruiters leading programs down there now. This tweet...

Jon Solomon @JonSolomonCBS
Recruiting Florida will be crazy: Jimbo Fisher, Mark Richt, Jim McElwain, Charlie Strong, Lane Kiffin, Butch Davis, Scott Frost. Have at it.
10:55 AM - 12 Dec 2016

That too, or course. But we (FAU and FIU) recruit more the same type-level kids that would affect MTSU and other CUSA schools. It's crazy good recruiting coaches here in the state now.

(12-12-2016 11:53 AM)chidave Wrote:  I like it, at a minimum it makes a splash. Every conference needs a villain, and it looks like CUSA has ours now. Embrace and enjoy the role FAU

My thoughts exactly. At a time when attendance for all is struggling, this is in all likelihood one of the better short term answers....and I say short term because does anyone really see him being there for more than 2-3 years. "IF" he can get a few big recruits in and get some wins it would get the ball rolling for FAU.

I wish you guys well, but Kiffen has failed as a head coach everywhere he has been. Maybe he will work at a lower resource program...

Nothing to lose, everything to gain.

Congratulations, FAU!

(12-12-2016 11:53 AM)chidave Wrote:  I like it, at a minimum it makes a splash. Every conference needs a villain, and it looks like CUSA has ours now. Embrace and enjoy the role FAU

We already one in Bobby Wilder, dude runs his mouth as much as 13 year old girl.

(12-12-2016 11:49 AM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 11:32 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 11:19 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I have no desire to undermine FAU's hire (I said this on our board long before he was hired), but has there ever been someone who got so much who did so little? I don't understand the appeal of Kiffin. He keeps getting jobs without proving any success of being a head coach. As a head coach, he failed in the NFL. He failed at Tennessee. He failed at USC.

And as an OC at Bama I really wonder how many of us here on this board couldn't draw up plays in the dirt and be as successful. Hell, Bama probably had seven or eight NFLers on the field at any point offensively going up against teams that might have a couple of NFL caliber defenders.

Kiffin had nightmarish time trying to figure out UT Chattanooga's defense earlier this year.

I just don't get all the appeal for this guy.

He's definitely the Sam Bradford of coaching, but if he just brings some attention and big time recruiting to FAU for a year or two, that's a good thing.

winning record at usc
winning record at tennessee

Sad thing is, and it's a shame, but a lot of people won't see it this way. This is a very good hire for FAU, and CUSA as well. Those that want to throw in his time with the Raiders as proof that he's not a good HC are only looking at things very subjectively.

No matter how long he's at FAU, he just raised their profile tremendously...

It will be FAU's responsibility to sustain the momentum from this hire whenever he leaves.

FAU and FIU have a built-in advantage that most every CUSA school wish they had...Florida recruiting...particularly, South Florida recruiting. Their hires have potential to lock most G5 schools out of this area...and a few High Resource Teams as well!

It's a hell of a hire. Who else would they've gotten that would be better than a OC who's lost one game in 2 years and will have 2 national titles? Sheesh. He won at UT in his first year and went to a bowl. Hell, UT burned mattresses and blocked his car from leaving the garage when he announced that he was leaving. He bolted to USC which was crappy but he's had success.

I'm happier for the conference. Is the Sun Belt, MAC or MWC hiring coaches like Butch Davis and Lane Kiffin right now?

Look at it this way, the weaker teams in the conference (2015 or this year) are all getting better. We'll still have Rice and UTEP but everyone else has improved or have gotten huge upgrades in their coaching.

UNT - Won 5 games and Litrell will recruit well. Big improvement from 2015.
FAU - Kiffin
FIU - Butch Davis
UTSA - Bowl game and their coach is really good. Night and Day from 2015.
Charlotte - Won 4 and was close to going to the next level. Night and Day from 2015.
ODU - won 9 games and will be a beast next year. Night and Day from 2015. They could win the east next year.

Add WKU, La Tech, Marshall and MT to the mix and next year will be pretty dang competitive. Especially in the east.

(12-12-2016 12:09 PM)DNEagle Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 11:49 AM)NTTHOR Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 11:32 AM)Niner National Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 11:19 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I have no desire to undermine FAU's hire (I said this on our board long before he was hired), but has there ever been someone who got so much who did so little? I don't understand the appeal of Kiffin. He keeps getting jobs without proving any success of being a head coach. As a head coach, he failed in the NFL. He failed at Tennessee. He failed at USC.

And as an OC at Bama I really wonder how many of us here on this board couldn't draw up plays in the dirt and be as successful. Hell, Bama probably had seven or eight NFLers on the field at any point offensively going up against teams that might have a couple of NFL caliber defenders.

Kiffin had nightmarish time trying to figure out UT Chattanooga's defense earlier this year.

I just don't get all the appeal for this guy.

He's definitely the Sam Bradford of coaching, but if he just brings some attention and big time recruiting to FAU for a year or two, that's a good thing.

winning record at usc
winning record at tennessee

Sad thing is, and it's a shame, but a lot of people won't see it this way. This is a very good hire for FAU, and CUSA as well. Those that want to throw in his time with the Raiders as proof that he's not a good HC are only looking at things very subjectively.

No matter how long he's at FAU, he just raised their profile tremendously...

It will be FAU's responsibility to sustain the momentum from this hire whenever he leaves.

FAU and FIU have a built-in advantage that most every CUSA school wish they had...Florida recruiting...particularly, South Florida recruiting. Their hires have potential to lock most G5 schools out of this area...and a few High Resource Teams as well!

The raiders thing can easily be combatted with Steve Spurrier and Nick Saban. Great in college not so great in the NFL.

looking for contract details....

(12-12-2016 11:59 AM)usm99 Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 11:53 AM)chidave Wrote:  I like it, at a minimum it makes a splash. Every conference needs a villain, and it looks like CUSA has ours now. Embrace and enjoy the role FAU

My thoughts exactly. At a time when attendance for all is struggling, this is in all likelihood one of the better short term answers....and I say short term because does anyone really seeing him be there for more than 2-3 years. "IF" he can get a few big recruits in and get some wins it would get the ball rolling for FAU.

ain't no doubt they're the bulls-eye now....

he's scraping the bottom trying to get back to the top....

this one is going to be fun to watch play out.....

I think it's a Homerun for FAU, a great program that never gets needed attention. This is a best case situation that CUSA needed, A market added program that's not necessarily pulled its weight and now will get a ton of attention. Regardless of how the team does , this will do a lot for the university and the attention towards CUSA

(12-12-2016 12:06 PM)wh49er Wrote:  

(12-12-2016 11:53 AM)chidave Wrote:  I like it, at a minimum it makes a splash. Every conference needs a villain, and it looks like CUSA has ours now. Embrace and enjoy the role FAU

We already one in Bobby Wilder, dude runs his mouth as much as 13 year old girl.

What? When? or is it just you being a sour ass. The only time he whined AFAIK was when his team was picked to be 6th in east in preseason and i understand that.

I wouldn't say he's done nothing as a head coach

Head coaching record
Overall 35–21 (college)
5–15 (NFL)