(12-06-2016 01:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:24 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:26 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:06 PM)cwise Wrote:  Outside looking in...this seems like a bad fit.

Outside looking in... The American is no better than C-USA. This 5hit pisses me off. That's 2 in one year.... so far.

Life as a G5. Hire a good coach? He's gone as soon as he can.

Hire a bad coach? You're screwed and looking at a 3-5 year rebuild IF you make a good / great hire.

G5s will always be on the outside looking in and right now there's no reason to think that Memphis will ever cross over into the promised land.

Largely true. But there are exceptions. So you hire the best guy you can, treat him right, and hope he's an exception. Patterson at TCU is the best example for us in college football. There are lots of examples in basketball.

I thought TCU was in the Big 12. If they were not Patterson might be gone. Those days are long gone.....

(12-06-2016 01:38 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  At least the conference is making good hires. Fuente, Herman, Rhule, (some say) Morris. This will continue to separate us from the rest of the G5. Place to be to make your bones. I hate it, but that's the best spin I can give.

It's the best spin there is and it isn't pretty.

It's going to continue to get worse.

(12-06-2016 01:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:24 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:26 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:06 PM)cwise Wrote:  Outside looking in...this seems like a bad fit.

Outside looking in... The American is no better than C-USA. This 5hit pisses me off. That's 2 in one year.... so far.

Life as a G5. Hire a good coach? He's gone as soon as he can.

Hire a bad coach? You're screwed and looking at a 3-5 year rebuild IF you make a good / great hire.

G5s will always be on the outside looking in and right now there's no reason to think that Memphis will ever cross over into the promised land.

Largely true. But there are exceptions. So you hire the best guy you can, treat him right, and hope he's an exception. Patterson at TCU is the best example for us in college football. There are lots of examples in basketball.

Louisville was in Conference USA as of 2004. One break for us and we could be similar. We could also go the other direction too.

(12-06-2016 01:55 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:24 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:26 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:06 PM)cwise Wrote:  Outside looking in...this seems like a bad fit.

Outside looking in... The American is no better than C-USA. This 5hit pisses me off. That's 2 in one year.... so far.

Life as a G5. Hire a good coach? He's gone as soon as he can.

Hire a bad coach? You're screwed and looking at a 3-5 year rebuild IF you make a good / great hire.

G5s will always be on the outside looking in and right now there's no reason to think that Memphis will ever cross over into the promised land.

Largely true. But there are exceptions. So you hire the best guy you can, treat him right, and hope he's an exception. Patterson at TCU is the best example for us in college football. There are lots of examples in basketball.

I thought TCU was in the Big 12. If they were not Patterson might be gone. Those days are long gone.....

Who is the guy at Northwestern ? He's a lot like Patterson

He's at a P5 and is probably the best coach in his league given the circumstances

Mike Leach fits that bill too

I hate to be the bearer of bad news... but if Norvell goes 10-2 or better next year... P5 schools will begin wanting to chat with him... If it doesn't happen in yr 2 and he wins 8 or more games again in year 3, he will be gone for sure.

Now, an assumption here, I'm assuming he wants to be a P5 coach at a much higher profile school like CJF wanted too. He only has a $500k buy out, kind of like CJF had I believe.

I hope that I'm totally wrong on this!!! GTG.

(12-06-2016 01:55 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:33 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:24 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:26 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 12:06 PM)cwise Wrote:  Outside looking in...this seems like a bad fit.

Outside looking in... The American is no better than C-USA. This 5hit pisses me off. That's 2 in one year.... so far.

Life as a G5. Hire a good coach? He's gone as soon as he can.

Hire a bad coach? You're screwed and looking at a 3-5 year rebuild IF you make a good / great hire.

G5s will always be on the outside looking in and right now there's no reason to think that Memphis will ever cross over into the promised land.

Largely true. But there are exceptions. So you hire the best guy you can, treat him right, and hope he's an exception. Patterson at TCU is the best example for us in college football. There are lots of examples in basketball.

I thought TCU was in the Big 12. If they were not Patterson might be gone. Those days are long gone.....

They are now, but they weren't when Patterson was making his name. He was in the G5 (before it was the G5) and crashing the BCS table. He had job offers to move to the adult table and turned them down. Until it got to the point that they had to invite his whole TCU family to the adult table.

(12-06-2016 02:12 PM)FranklinTNTiger Wrote:  I hate to be the bearer of bad news... but if Norvell goes 10-2 or better next year... P5 schools will begin wanting to chat with him... If it doesn't happen in yr 2 and he wins 8 or more games again in year 3, he will be gone for sure.

Now, an assumption here, I'm assuming he wants to be a P5 coach at a much higher profile school like CJF wanted too. He only has a $500k buy out, kind of like CJF had I believe.

I hope that I'm totally wrong on this!!! GTG.

I'd bet you're right...

(12-06-2016 01:56 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 01:38 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  At least the conference is making good hires. Fuente, Herman, Rhule, (some say) Morris. This will continue to separate us from the rest of the G5. Place to be to make your bones. I hate it, but that's the best spin I can give.

It's the best spin there is and it isn't pretty.

It's going to continue to get worse.

I disagree; I looked at the past 2 seasons to date and the turnover rate among all FBS schools is 34%... fully one third of all head coaching jobs have changed in the past 2 seasons. That's an incredibly high burn rate, there just aren't that many qualified head coaches and asst coaches out there to continue to hire and fire at that rate. Not to mention the mounds of cash these schools are burning through.

At some point we're going to see this hire/fire carousel slow way down, there's just no way to sustain it....

(12-06-2016 12:01 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Does he have Texas ties?

Not a one. His entire time at Temple he didn't sign a single Texas kid, and I can't imagine he's going to be able to bring a whole lot of top quality recruits with him - taking a kid from Pennsylvania and trying to sell him on Waco, TX has got be difficult, all stereotypes aside. I tend to think Blake Anderson would have been a better hire. Their recruiting class, save a couple of JC's and east-coast kids aside, is done for.

This is a head scratcher - I'm not big on hiring guys too far outside of their personal geographic and recruiting history, Saban being an exception. The only thing I can think of is the money - with the huge salary increase and no state income tax in Texas this is a big difference. Honestly didn't see this one coming.

I'm sorry for Temple, too. He was a good coach to them. They should go after Golden or Schiano - they have something to offer them now.

Bad move for Rhule.

Baylor had to take major gambles to get where they were. He'll be asked to clean up the mess and the program will drop off. About the time he is ready to compete, the boosters will want him out. Baylor is a terrible job right now.

Horrible decision.

He could have used this to get a pay raise from Temple and taken a much better job later.

Baylor is no better than any HC job in the American. Waco, TX is where sanity never settled.

I wonder if Rhule got one of those 7 year deals? If I was him, I would demand it. It is going to take that much time to clean the stench off of Baylor.

(12-06-2016 03:25 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Horrible decision.

He could have used this to get a pay raise from Temple and taken a much better job later.

Baylor is no better than any HC job in the American. Waco, TX is where sanity never settled.

Any job in a p5 conference is better than any job in the AAC.

(12-06-2016 03:53 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 03:25 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Horrible decision.

He could have used this to get a pay raise from Temple and taken a much better job later.

Baylor is no better than any HC job in the American. Waco, TX is where sanity never settled.

Any job in a p5 conference is better than any job in the AAC.

Iowa State vs. South Florida/Central Florida?

Iowa State's Matt Campbell gets $2m/year

Tubbs was making $2.2m/year AND Norvell is getting $1.8m/year.

The Kansas job is awful as well.

Memphis job >> Iowa State and Kansas.

I know that's an exception, but there are some pretty crappy P5 jobs.

(12-06-2016 03:53 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 03:25 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Horrible decision.

He could have used this to get a pay raise from Temple and taken a much better job later.

Baylor is no better than any HC job in the American. Waco, TX is where sanity never settled.

Any job in a p5 conference is better than any job in the AAC.

Baylor isn't.

Louisville, Utah and TCU are the only three schools that were not in BCS conferences in 1998 and that are now in a P5 league.

If we are fortunate then a few more schools will end up making the jump and we'll be one of them.

However, there is no guarantee that more spots will be open and there is obviously plenty of competition if spots do open.

(12-06-2016 04:05 PM)ddramone Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 03:53 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 03:25 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Horrible decision.

He could have used this to get a pay raise from Temple and taken a much better job later.

Baylor is no better than any HC job in the American. Waco, TX is where sanity never settled.

Any job in a p5 conference is better than any job in the AAC.

Iowa State vs. South Florida/Central Florida?

Iowa State's Matt Campbell gets $2m/year

Tubbs was making $2.2m/year AND Norvell is getting $1.8m/year.

The Kansas job is awful as well.

Memphis job >> Iowa State and Kansas.

I know that's an exception, but there are some pretty crappy P5 jobs.

Talking about football. Much more money to be thrown around for a coach and facilities in the p5 conferences. Iowa State finished this year with a 3-9 record. Their average attendance was almost 10K higher than our highest attendance. Each member of the Big 12 got almost 30M for football alone.

(12-06-2016 04:16 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 04:05 PM)ddramone Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 03:53 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 03:25 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Horrible decision.

He could have used this to get a pay raise from Temple and taken a much better job later.

Baylor is no better than any HC job in the American. Waco, TX is where sanity never settled.

Any job in a p5 conference is better than any job in the AAC.

Iowa State vs. South Florida/Central Florida?

Iowa State's Matt Campbell gets $2m/year

Tubbs was making $2.2m/year AND Norvell is getting $1.8m/year.

The Kansas job is awful as well.

Memphis job >> Iowa State and Kansas.

I know that's an exception, but there are some pretty crappy P5 jobs.

Talking about football. Much more money to be thrown around for a coach and facilities in the p5 conferences. Iowa State finished this year with a 3-9 record. Their average attendance was almost 10K higher than our highest attendance. Each member of the Big 12 got almost 30M for football alone.

And 30 M later they still suck.

(12-06-2016 04:21 PM)tigergeorge55 Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 04:16 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 04:05 PM)ddramone Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 03:53 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(12-06-2016 03:25 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  Horrible decision.

He could have used this to get a pay raise from Temple and taken a much better job later.

Baylor is no better than any HC job in the American. Waco, TX is where sanity never settled.

Any job in a p5 conference is better than any job in the AAC.

Iowa State vs. South Florida/Central Florida?

Iowa State's Matt Campbell gets $2m/year

Tubbs was making $2.2m/year AND Norvell is getting $1.8m/year.

The Kansas job is awful as well.

Memphis job >> Iowa State and Kansas.

I know that's an exception, but there are some pretty crappy P5 jobs.

Talking about football. Much more money to be thrown around for a coach and facilities in the p5 conferences. Iowa State finished this year with a 3-9 record. Their average attendance was almost 10K higher than our highest attendance. Each member of the Big 12 got almost 30M for football alone.

And 30 M later they still suck.

Yep, I would rather suck raking in 30M a year than suck making 1 or 2M. though.

(12-06-2016 03:16 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Bad move for Rhule.

Baylor had to take major gambles to get where they were. He'll be asked to clean up the mess and the program will drop off. About the time he is ready to compete, the boosters will want him out. Baylor is a terrible job right now.

So what if he fails? He'll be a rich failure and can always crawl back to a G5 spot for great money and fail again.

See how it works?