(11-22-2016 12:34 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 11:56 AM)jellowl Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 09:47 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  Again, why is the word "los" on the jersey? I did a just a little bit of research, and it looks like Cuban baseball jerseys usually do NOT include the definite article. And of course, neither do American baseball jerseys.

Is it there "so people will know it's Spanish"? sigh...

Adidas also makes the Ene-Be-A gear and those jerseys include articles as well. In those cases they don't actually translate most of the mascot names, so the article is the only thing distinguishing it as another jersey you can shell out for. I can only assume some graphic designer at Adidas simply took that as the template...

Note that MLB does the same re,.: Los. Not saying it's grammatically correct, just sayin'.

There is no "Los" in the San Francisco Gigantes' jersey:

(11-22-2016 12:34 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 11:56 AM)jellowl Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 09:47 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  Again, why is the word "los" on the jersey? I did a just a little bit of research, and it looks like Cuban baseball jerseys usually do NOT include the definite article. And of course, neither do American baseball jerseys.

Is it there "so people will know it's Spanish"? sigh...

Adidas also makes the Ene-Be-A gear and those jerseys include articles as well. In those cases they don't actually translate most of the mascot names, so the article is the only thing distinguishing it as another jersey you can shell out for. I can only assume some graphic designer at Adidas simply took that as the template...

Note that MLB does the same re,.: Los. Not saying it's grammatically correct, just sayin'.

To be honest, the fact that MLB does it is perhaps the most compelling evidence that it is not proper idiom at all, but in fact a non-idiomatic "faux foreignism" -- like when sportscasters say "mano a mano" thinking it means "man to man", or when JFK proclaimed "Ich bin ein Berliner" when he should have said "Ich bin Berliner".

I was surprised by seeing el buho since I am used to el tecolate but looked it up in Google and there are 3 different terms of owl
buho, lechuza and tecolate. Tecolate is used in Mexico and Central America. I know I am missing the accent on buho but I do not want to bother to figure out how to put one in.

(11-22-2016 03:17 PM)75src Wrote:  I was surprised by seeing el buho since I am used to el tecolate but looked it up in Google and there are 3 different terms of owl
buho, lechuza and tecolate. Tecolate is used in Mexico and Central America. I know I am missing the accent on buho but I do not want to bother to figure out how to put one in.

I gather from this Yahoo! Answer (in Spanish) and some other sources that:

Búho is the common name of birds of the family Strigidae, that is: owls that have feathers on the heads that give the appearance of ears.

Lechuza is the Spanish name for those owls that do not have raised feathers that look like ears, e.g., Barn owls of the family Tytonidae.

Tecolote, which is derived from the Nahuatl word, "tecolotl", is the common name in Mexico, Guatemala and Honduras for several eared owls in the family Strigidae. (In Spain, these birds are called "mochuelos", "autillos" and "cárabos".)

The Athena owl, Rice's mascot, would be called a mochuelo in Spain.

This webpage also includes two other Spanish names used in some countries/regions for some owls: caburé (Paraguay & Argentina) & nuco, a short-eared owl in Chile.

I welcome corrections or added context from native speakers or other afficionados of avian creatures.

Getting back to baseball (and not uniform nomenclature!), College Baseball Central just posted a nice writeup on Ford Proctor and the promising 2017 offense...

http://collegebaseballcentral.com/colleg...tor/14413/

Quote:College Baseball Countdown: 87 Days to Go – Ford Proctor

TOPICS:Dane Myers Rice BaseballFord Proctor
POSTED BY: JOSEPH HEALY NOVEMBER 22, 2016
Getting consistent offensive production was often an issue for the Rice Owls in 2016. It seemed that no more than a couple of guys were swinging it well at any given time. On a larger scale, extra-base pop was really lacking up and down the lineup, as no Rice hitter had more than five homers and they slugged just .365 as a team.

But none of those offensive struggles can be pegged on shortstop Ford Proctor, who stepped into the lineup from day one as a freshman and performed well.

He hit .336/.428/.471 and led the team or was tied for the team lead in hits with 75, doubles with 15, RBI with 41, total bases with 105, and walks with 34. His aforementioned .428 on-base percentage and .471 slugging percentage were also team-best figures. On top of his offensive production, he also ably handled shortstop, fielding the position at a .954 clip.

Understandably, that type of season earned Proctor plenty of accolades, as he was named a First Team Freshman All-American by D1Baseball.com, Baseball America, Perfect Game, and the NCBWA. He’s still got a long career at Rice ahead of him, but already, Proctor looks like just the next in a lengthy line of quality offensive shortstops to put on that uniform in recent years, from Brian Friday, to Rick Hague, to Christian Stringer.

There’s hope that Rice will be improved on offense in 2017. Charlie Warren, who led the team in hitting in 2016 at .344 despite missing a couple of weeks with injury, will be back, as will Tristan Gray, who missed some time of his own, but who also might be the most dynamic offensive player on the roster. Ryan Chandler is a spark plug-type of player at the top of the order, and with a .293 average, Dominic DiCaprio was another freshman who acquitted himself nicely and could take an additional step forward. That’s to say nothing of Dane Myers, a two-way talent who has shown flashes of having some thunder in his bat, and Andrew Dunlap, who struggles mightily with strikeouts, but also has as much power as anyone on the roster.

But no matter what kind of production they get from everyone else, you can count on Ford Proctor being right in the middle of things in the Rice lineup.

way to derail the thread, Walt.

Thanks very much for the updates... seriously.

I love the uni's... and though the athena owl is on our crest, I believe the great horned owl is actually our mascot... and thus buho would be correct, no? OR Tecolote

at any rate, it's an exciting trip for the team and fans

(11-22-2016 05:48 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  way to derail the thread, Walt.

Thanks very much for the updates... seriously.

I love the uni's... and though the athena owl is on our crest, I believe the great horned owl is actually our mascot... and thus buho would be correct, no? OR Tecolote

at any rate, it's an exciting trip for the team and fans

I'm assuming Professor Luis Duno-Gottberg, Latin-American Studies, who has traveled to Cuba on over 20 previous occassions, did the research and got it right.

(11-22-2016 01:47 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 12:34 PM)Da.Owl Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 11:56 AM)jellowl Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 09:47 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  Again, why is the word "los" on the jersey? I did a just a little bit of research, and it looks like Cuban baseball jerseys usually do NOT include the definite article. And of course, neither do American baseball jerseys.

Is it there "so people will know it's Spanish"? sigh...

Adidas also makes the Ene-Be-A gear and those jerseys include articles as well. In those cases they don't actually translate most of the mascot names, so the article is the only thing distinguishing it as another jersey you can shell out for. I can only assume some graphic designer at Adidas simply took that as the template...

Note that MLB does the same re,.: Los. Not saying it's grammatically correct, just sayin'.

There is no "Los" in the San Francisco Gigantes' jersey:

http://baseball.blogs.rice.edu/2016/11/2...=hootsuite

(11-23-2016 07:42 PM)gmath Wrote:  

I take it that's not an Angels jersey

It'd be like having "The Owls" instead of Owls on the jersey. Los Angeles is a place as is Los Mochis (Mexican baseball team). Can't find examples of teams using "Los" before their team name in a jersey, Spanish or English. In Spanish, teams definitely don't use the "Los" but nothing wrong with Los Buhos de Rice.

A couple of bands:

Los Lobos
Los Lonely Boys.

bands are like teams, right?

Los Padres de San Diego

Gotta love my local team: The The Angels Angels of Anaheim.

(11-24-2016 10:16 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(11-23-2016 07:42 PM)gmath Wrote:  

I take it that's not an Angels jersey

I found it on the Dodgers website, George

(11-24-2016 05:55 PM)gmath Wrote:  

(11-24-2016 10:16 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  

(11-23-2016 07:42 PM)gmath Wrote:  

I take it that's not an Angels jersey

I found it on the Dodgers website, George

You don't say...

(11-22-2016 05:51 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 05:48 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  way to derail the thread, Walt.

Thanks very much for the updates... seriously.

I love the uni's... and though the athena owl is on our crest, I believe the great horned owl is actually our mascot... and thus buho would be correct, no? OR Tecolote

at any rate, it's an exciting trip for the team and fans

I'm assuming Professor Luis Duno-Gottberg, Latin-American Studies, who has traveled to Cuba on over 20 previous occassions, did the research and got it right.

My being one of those aficionados of avian creatures, I can say Hambone's right. The school mascot, the Great Horned Owl, is a member of genus Bubo (specifically Bubo virginianus). The Latin word Bubo, referring to a species known in English as the Eurasian Eagle-Owl, has become in Spanish the generic term for tufted owls búho, of which the Great Horned Owl is a member. The Athene owl, by contrast, refers to what in English is called the Little Owl (Athene noctua), which does not occur in North America. There are members of the genus Athene present in North America; in fact, that's the kind of owl that is the mascot of Conference USA opponent Florida Atlantic, specifically the Burrowing Owl (Athene cunicularia) (the FAU campus site was a field littered with burrows and consequently with Burrowing Owls, and the students therefore chose it as the school mascot). So while the owl seen depicted on the university seal is indeed an Athene owl, the school mascot is a Bubo owl.

Here's the latest blog entry from yesterday's activities...

http://baseball.blogs.rice.edu/2016/11/2...DglEPkrI2w

...long day for the student-athletes (and for us!) as we didn't get back to the hotel until after 10:00pm...and they leave to the ball park for pregame practice at 10:00am Friday morning (90 minute bus ride). Game time is 1:30pm. Dane Myer gets the start.

(11-22-2016 05:51 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  I'm assuming Professor Luis Duno-Gottberg, Latin-American Studies, who has traveled to Cuba on over 20 previous occassions, did the research and got it right.

I'd like to think Walt's assumption is correct and that Professor Duno-Gottberg was involved in the design, but it would be unusual. My experience is that special-edition items like this are usually conceived and executed by 1 or 2 people who are creative, energetic and well-meaning but who rarely have expertise, and rarely consult people who do. It would indeed be cool if this particular jersey were an exceptional case, but without knowing more, I would hesitate to assume that it is.

(11-25-2016 12:56 AM)Jonathan Sadow Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 05:51 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(11-22-2016 05:48 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  way to derail the thread, Walt.

Thanks very much for the updates... seriously.

I love the uni's... and though the athena owl is on our crest, I believe the great horned owl is actually our mascot... and thus buho would be correct, no? OR Tecolote

at any rate, it's an exciting trip for the team and fans

I'm assuming Professor Luis Duno-Gottberg, Latin-American Studies, who has traveled to Cuba on over 20 previous occassions, did the research and got it right.

My being one of those aficionados of avian creatures, I can say Hambone's right. The school mascot, the Great Horned Owl, is a member of genus Bubo (specifically Bubo virginianus). The Latin word Bubo, referring to a species known in English as the Eurasian Eagle-Owl, has become in Spanish the generic term for tufted owls búho, of which the Great Horned Owl is a member. The Athene owl, by contrast, refers to what in English is called the Little Owl (Athene noctua), which does not occur in North America. There are members of the genus Athene present in North America; in fact, that's the kind of owl that is the mascot of Conference USA opponent Florida Atlantic, specifically the Burrowing Owl (Athene cunicularia) (the FAU campus site was a field littered with burrows and consequently with Burrowing Owls, and the students therefore chose it as the school mascot). So while the owl seen depicted on the university seal is indeed an Athene owl, the school mascot is a Bubo owl.

Awesome!