It's not just an "end game" - the story needs to have a point. Conflict is just one piece of a narrative theme's resolution. Do they rebuild society? Does man devolve into a primal state and as the remembering generation dies off is all knowledge lost like the library at Alexandria? What part of the human soul and spirit survives and how is humanity changed? And how much longer can millions of rotting zombies sustain themselves (they should be piles of decomposing goo by now)? Why is no one even bothering to look for a cure anymore, and what does that say about mankind?

Also, while the show runners decided to rush the end of Game of Thrones, there was always a planned end to the story, and it's going to catch a lot of people off guard, because apparently the overwhelming majority of the fans watching it do not understand the point of the story. There are a host of consistently in your face but not necessarily spoon fed themes that will reach definitive resolutions that ultimately give the entire story a "point"; that is, if the show runners don't blow it.

I'm fully aware of the Kirkman comics. Just because it is a comic series doesn't mean it cannot or should not have an end. There have been several series that did, and many of them were good. Starting back in the 80s, I remember reading The Watchmen (also thematically loaded, and with a definite "point" to the story, for which it won many awards), and even something more serialized but definitely thematic like The 'Nam (84 issue run).

Anyone besides me sick and tired of freakin' Morgan?

I'm ready for him to GO. Don't care if it's a Zombie turning his Zombie head sideways like he's eating a taco to rip a chunk out of Morgan's throat

Hell.....I'm so ready for him to die I'd even have one of the biggest weasel's the show has seen in Burnt face Dwight to take him out. Btw, if the actor playing Dwight isn't the biggest poor man's Matthew McConaughey I don't know who is. I saw him on The Talking Dead one night and I couldn't believe how badly he tries to rip off my boy Matthew. I can't stand him and I'd be willing for Dwight to bow staff The hell out of Morgan and his non stop moral battles.

Nice introduction to Ezekiel. I like his back story. I like how he 'splains it to Carol.

I'm ready to b!tchaslap her and her deathwish but I forgive her as she's been one of my favorites up to now.

(10-31-2016 10:04 AM)dahbeed Wrote:  Anyone besides me sick and tired of freakin' Morgan?

I'm ready for him to GO. Don't care if it's a Zombie turning his Zombie head sideways like he's eating a taco to rip a chunk out of Morgan's throat

Hell.....I'm so ready for him to die I'd even have one of the biggest weasel's the show has seen in Burnt face Dwight to take him out. Btw, if the actor playing Dwight isn't the biggest poor man's Matthew McConaughey I don't know who is. I saw him on The Talking Dead one night and I couldn't believe how badly he tries to rip off my boy Matthew. I can't stand him and I'd be willing for Dwight to bow staff The hell out of Morgan and his non stop moral battles.

Nice introduction to Ezekiel. I like his back story. I like how he 'splains it to Carol.

I'm ready to b!tchaslap her and her deathwish but I forgive her as she's been one of my favorites up to now.

You are probably going to get your wish of a Morgan death soon. Eastmon tought Morgan the ways of peace and how to use the bow staff and then Eastmon died. Morgan is now teaching that kid how to use the bow staff and gave him his philosophy book. I wouldn't be surprised if Morgan died this season.

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Also in the comics morgan is dead at this point in the story. died when the walkers took down the walls in alexandria. Also Morgan building that jail cell points to something that happens in the comic and Morgan's death may be the catalyst that makes it happen.

(10-31-2016 08:00 AM)Artifice Wrote:  It's not just an "end game" - the story needs to have a point. Conflict is just one piece of a narrative theme's resolution. Do they rebuild society? Does man devolve into a primal state and as the remembering generation dies off is all knowledge lost like the library at Alexandria? What part of the human soul and spirit survives and how is humanity changed? And how much longer can millions of rotting zombies sustain themselves (they should be piles of decomposing goo by now)? Why is no one even bothering to look for a cure anymore, and what does that say about mankind?

Disagree. The story does not need a end game - all the good guys kill all the bad guys and then look at the rising sun together, symbolizing the rebirth of civilization, only better this time?

It is about coping with a changed world. It is the ongoing history of Earth. The journey is what is important, not the destination.

(10-31-2016 12:55 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 08:00 AM)Artifice Wrote:  It's not just an "end game" - the story needs to have a point. Conflict is just one piece of a narrative theme's resolution. Do they rebuild society? Does man devolve into a primal state and as the remembering generation dies off is all knowledge lost like the library at Alexandria? What part of the human soul and spirit survives and how is humanity changed? And how much longer can millions of rotting zombies sustain themselves (they should be piles of decomposing goo by now)? Why is no one even bothering to look for a cure anymore, and what does that say about mankind?

Disagree. The story does not need a end game - all the good guys kill all the bad guys and then look at the rising sun together, symbolizing the rebirth of civilization, only better this time?

It is about coping with a changed world. It is the ongoing history of Earth. The journey is what is important, not the destination.

Current comics still have Negan alive I believe. No end in site to this madness.

(10-31-2016 12:55 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 08:00 AM)Artifice Wrote:  It's not just an "end game" - the story needs to have a point. Conflict is just one piece of a narrative theme's resolution. Do they rebuild society? Does man devolve into a primal state and as the remembering generation dies off is all knowledge lost like the library at Alexandria? What part of the human soul and spirit survives and how is humanity changed? And how much longer can millions of rotting zombies sustain themselves (they should be piles of decomposing goo by now)? Why is no one even bothering to look for a cure anymore, and what does that say about mankind?

Disagree. The story does not need a end game - all the good guys kill all the bad guys and then look at the rising sun together, symbolizing the rebirth of civilization, only better this time?

It is about coping with a changed world. It is the ongoing history of Earth. The journey is what is important, not the destination.

So then the show is about where they find their next (should be spoiled) soup can and who cave manned the other guy for it this time?

Yeah, that isn't something I am interested in watching long term. Call it sophistication above a 5th grade level. Anyway, I think a lot of people are already checking out for this reason.

(10-31-2016 12:55 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 08:00 AM)Artifice Wrote:  It's not just an "end game" - the story needs to have a point. Conflict is just one piece of a narrative theme's resolution. Do they rebuild society? Does man devolve into a primal state and as the remembering generation dies off is all knowledge lost like the library at Alexandria? What part of the human soul and spirit survives and how is humanity changed? And how much longer can millions of rotting zombies sustain themselves (they should be piles of decomposing goo by now)? Why is no one even bothering to look for a cure anymore, and what does that say about mankind?

Disagree. The story does not need a end game - all the good guys kill all the bad guys and then look at the rising sun together, symbolizing the rebirth of civilization, only better this time?

It is about coping with a changed world. It is the ongoing history of Earth. The journey is what is important, not the destination.

nah, it needs an end game or people will get bored and stop watching.

If they drag out the Negan story line for more than a year and then we just basically have a repeat of Negan, I give this show two more years, max.

The tiger is just silly IMO. I know the standard argument of 'you can get past the concept of zombies, but not the idea of a tiger'. So, no, I guess I can't. Anyway, just put the thing in a cage instead of on a chain, and I think it would be less ridiculous. No cool factor in that though I guess.

(10-31-2016 02:26 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 12:55 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 08:00 AM)Artifice Wrote:  It's not just an "end game" - the story needs to have a point. Conflict is just one piece of a narrative theme's resolution. Do they rebuild society? Does man devolve into a primal state and as the remembering generation dies off is all knowledge lost like the library at Alexandria? What part of the human soul and spirit survives and how is humanity changed? And how much longer can millions of rotting zombies sustain themselves (they should be piles of decomposing goo by now)? Why is no one even bothering to look for a cure anymore, and what does that say about mankind?

Disagree. The story does not need a end game - all the good guys kill all the bad guys and then look at the rising sun together, symbolizing the rebirth of civilization, only better this time?

It is about coping with a changed world. It is the ongoing history of Earth. The journey is what is important, not the destination.

nah, it needs an end game or people will get bored and stop watching.

If they drag out the Negan story line for more than a year and then we just basically have a repeat of Negan, I give this show two more years, max.

As I stated earlier in this thread, I'm becoming one of those people.

At the very least, I'd like them to find a "cure" at some point so when you die, you stay dead and don't come back as a walker.

Two things we are on around comic 101 of 159. As of 159 Negan was still around and the current show runners have stayed pretty loyal to the comics outside of show only characters like Daryl (who might be the only one left by now?). Also the Tiger is straight from the comics.


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What I've read the comic has Negan getting beat at some point and eventually escaping, possibly to cause problems a second time kind of like the governor.

(10-31-2016 02:26 PM)Niner National Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 12:55 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-31-2016 08:00 AM)Artifice Wrote:  It's not just an "end game" - the story needs to have a point. Conflict is just one piece of a narrative theme's resolution. Do they rebuild society? Does man devolve into a primal state and as the remembering generation dies off is all knowledge lost like the library at Alexandria? What part of the human soul and spirit survives and how is humanity changed? And how much longer can millions of rotting zombies sustain themselves (they should be piles of decomposing goo by now)? Why is no one even bothering to look for a cure anymore, and what does that say about mankind?

Disagree. The story does not need a end game - all the good guys kill all the bad guys and then look at the rising sun together, symbolizing the rebirth of civilization, only better this time?

It is about coping with a changed world. It is the ongoing history of Earth. The journey is what is important, not the destination.

nah, it needs an end game or people will get bored and stop watching.

If they drag out the Negan story line for more than a year and then we just basically have a repeat of Negan, I give this show two more years, max.

Still disagree. This is the latest chapter in the development of humanity on Earth, from the cave man on. The only way that ends is with the the extinction of mankind. thus, the apocalypse. So there's your ending. Everybody dies. Anything else is like wishing we could get to the Fall of Rome so we could wrap this up.

Soon an asteroid will hit earth and kill all the living, and then only the undead will roam the landscape looking for food that no longer exist... the meek shall inherit the earth.

Well, I've taken my first step by deleting my scheduled DVR recording of Talking Dead.

(11-06-2016 11:24 PM)topper1296 Wrote:  Well, I've taken my first step by deleting my scheduled DVR recording of Talking Dead.

That's nothing, they've inflated it so bad and added so much filler and has horrible guests.


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Bump.

Hoping we get to see Maggie and her group tonight!

The show is just becoming an avg cable network Drama.
Everything is so drawn out and slow and is coming across as very whinny.
Can something happen......

Meanwhile does anyone watch West World? That is a show

Soon as I can I plan on starting west world, heard great things.

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Lowest ratings since season 3. Show will be dead in two years.

I called it on the season opener. It was the tipping point for audiences. Haven't watched it since.

If writers want to be the new "faces of death" type show, they have boxed themselves in a corner.

(11-24-2016 01:49 PM)johndavidblue Wrote:  Lowest ratings since season 3. Show will be dead in two years.

I called it on the season opener. It was the tipping point for audiences. Haven't watched it since.

If writers want to be the new "faces of death" type show, they have boxed themselves in a corner.

Agree, I won't say it's "Jumped the Shark" but the story lines have drug on while they've spent time developing new characters. There were still some major conflicts after the first battle with The Governor, and the survivors from the Terminus group kept things interesting as well. Now just giving half their **** to Negan each week and wondering who's Lucille's next date will get old quick. They've had 4 episodes since the season opener and 4 different storylines. This week looks like storyline 5.