(11-07-2016 04:42 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 04:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  why no more than 3 in the same conference. Sorry but if a conference has 4 top 10 teams, they deserve to have 4 teams in a 12 team playoff.

That would destroy college football's regular season. This is why the CFP is only at 4 teams.

If the playoff is 12 teams like they suggested, there would be no artificial cap to the number of teams.

Oh, and didn't folks say when we were at 2 that going to any playoff would destroy the regular season? Guess they were wrong.

Quote:why no more than 3 in the same conference. Sorry but if a conference has 4 top 10 teams, they deserve to have 4 teams in a 12 team playoff.

By your rationale, who cares who wins a conference or the G5? Sorry undefeated Boise -- you're #13. We're putting in the 5th team from the SEC who's #12 in there, instead. Oh, you could only reach #13 because the 2 P5s you played had not so great years? Boo hoo. Play in the Potato Bowl.

Again, they're polls/evaluations. Having 4 teams of the same Conf in the 12-team Playoff -- with usually, say, 11 teams from the P5... you want over 1/3rd of the P5s being from the same conference so easily in a mere 12 team playoff?

Limiting teams still keeps value to winning your Conference, and even Division to some extent.

I could see exception for a 4th team from the same conference: If you're in the Top 6 (half) of 12.

Quote:Might as well have all 10 conference Champs if you go to 12.

12 Gives a Bye to Top 4.
All 10 Conference Champs + 2 At-Larges who didn't win the conference (including potential ND) in Top 6-9? People wouldn't want it. Too much undeserving G5s over 3rd best non-Conf winner. Going P5 Winners + Potentially 2 G5s where 1 G5 will USUALLY make it (+1 extra every few years) allows still highly ranked teams to still get in.

Essentially my view of the Top 12 -- keeping Conference Diversity within reason, and ensures more than just conference winners get in, but doesn't overdo it.

If you're like "Hey, I'm WAY better than that G5 that came in! Why don't I go?" I'd say "Come at least Close to winning your conference, or within the Top 6 in the country. Otherwise, change conferences. The regular season is a pre-playoff."

It reminds me of this girl I dated many years ago. She HATED the NCAA Tournament! She hated the underdog! She would YELL when a mid-major 12 seed would upset a 5 seed. "WTF?! You ruined their chances! You don't deserve to advance or even to be here!" she'd exclaim. Yes, in playoffs, an overall lesser team can make it further than ones better than they, when evaluating, upsets included. The regular season is a playoff to get to a good Bowl or to the post-season playoff. Get out of the conference if it's too difficult for you. You need conference diversity in playoffs, because you can only ride on polls-alone so much.

(11-07-2016 04:24 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Just give it to the SEC champion and let everybody play for 2nd place

LOL this, except 2011 when the third place team from the SEC won it all.

(11-07-2016 05:03 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:why no more than 3 in the same conference. Sorry but if a conference has 4 top 10 teams, they deserve to have 4 teams in a 12 team playoff.

By your rationale, who cares who wins a conference or the G5? Sorry undefeated Boise -- you're #13. We're putting in the 5th team from the SEC who's #12 in there, instead. Oh, you could only reach #13 because the 2 P5s you played had not so great years? Boo hoo. Play in the Potato Bowl.

The flip side is the years where your two best G5 teams are 8-4 South Alabama and 8-5 UNLV. Sorry 11-1 Louisville and Auburn. You should have won your conference so we are putting these two teams ranked in the 30's in who lost to every team that had a pulse this year.

No autobids, no artificial caps on number of teams per conference seed 1-12 on merit or your playoff idea is even more bogus than the old BCS system.

Yeah, either 1 G5, all champions or let the rankings decide it.

(11-07-2016 03:50 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 03:40 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  5 Power 5 champs
1 G5 champ
2 wild cards

that would be...

Seed the playoffs as:
1. Alabama (SEC Champ)
2. Clemson (ACC Champ)
3. Michigan (B1G Champ)
4. Washington (PAC 12 Champ)
5. West Virginia (Big XII Champ)
6. Western Michigan (MAC Champ)
7. Louisville
8. Ohio State

DEC 10:
Ohio State @ Alabama
Louisville @ Clemson
Western Michigan @ Michigan
West Virginia @ Washington

This looks awesome too!! How bout that game in Ann Arbor! Great games all around

This setup is not bad, but agree seeding should be based on rankings after all 8 teams are picked, and can be tweaked to avoid rematch.

1. BAMA
2. CLEM
3. MICH
4. WASH
5. LOU
6. WV
7. OHIO ST (drops from #6 to avoid rematch)
8. WMU

Quote:The flip side is the years where your two best G5 teams are 8-4 South Alabama and 8-5 UNLV. Sorry 11-1 Louisville and Auburn.

Not so fast. I'm not saying 2 G5s automatically make it. They wouldn't be in the Top 20, AND HIGHLY HIGHLY likely with that record would have beaten some P5 Conf or Divisional Champ or anyone in the Top 11 to make it.

So no, in this scenario, you would not be saying sorry to Anyone. They wouldn't be going. :)

*EDIT EXCEPTION TO ENSURE BUT PROBABLY NEVER NEEDED TO BE IMPLEMENTED:
For a Conf G5 Winner who's NOT ranked in the Top 20, but beats any P5 Conf Champ, P5 Div Champ, or anyone in the Top 11 Selected --> You must have 9W or more over FBS opponents. So those two you show would most likely have 7W (playing an FCS), but a 10-2 Troy if they beat, say, Washington State this year who ends up a Div Champ -- would get to go.

(11-07-2016 03:33 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 03:14 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  On the flip side, about half of D-I has basically no access to the national title.

No access?

How do you come to this conclusion? There are no autobids for anyone therefore nobody is guranteed access nor denied it.

Do you disagree that if UH had run the table they'd be left out? I don't.

The current system rewards good teams who play and win against tough schedules and win their conference

How is that unfair especially given how disparate the level of talent and commitment is in CFB compared to pretty much every other sport?

You know you don't even believe that crap coming out your mouth. It's easy to say that as an SEC fan. Especially when your team can lose a game and still be ranked in the top 4 ahead of multiple undefeated teams.

If the system were based on the BCS or AP poll where human bias was not a huge factor? Sure. But even if Houston were undefeated right now they would be ranked around #10. And they would have no feasible way to break into the top 4 unless every single P5 teams had two losses.

And even if every team had two losses it's still not likely. Would they get in over 2 loss Oklahoma? Yes. Would Houston be ranked ahead of 2 loss Alabama, Clemson, Auburn, Ohio State, Michigan? No.....

(11-07-2016 04:42 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 04:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  why no more than 3 in the same conference. Sorry but if a conference has 4 top 10 teams, they deserve to have 4 teams in a 12 team playoff.

That would destroy college football's regular season. This is why the CFP is only at 4 teams.

Ha, this is one of the biggest lies in college football. This four team playoff was fought tooth and nail because it would ruin the regular season. 12 games were fought because it would make games less meaningful.

The only thing that would be ruined is having too many pointless bowl games. I personally would gladly watch more playoff and less 6-6 teams playing in Idaho.

The P5 will never agree to turn the CFBPO into the NCAAT

I'm all for expanding the playoff to 8 but still say no to autobids. The 8 best teams should play, not an 8-4 team that's in just because they lucked into their conferences championship. Save that crap for March Madness.

4 team playoff ensures at least one P5 team is left out, and we are still complaining about inclusivity?

I would be a proponent of 8 teams if they got rid of CCGs and just played out the 12 game season without an extra game and without declaring a pointless regular season champion. An 8 team playoff following CCGs is stupid because what's the point of winning a division and being penalized to win the CCG if the runner up in your division is already in the top 8? It would make sense for UL to play the extra game instead of Clemson if anything. It doesn't work.

Get rid of CCG's and play the 8 team playoff that weekend. Pretty simple.

Look at the Iowa MSU game last year as the template for a 4/5... and add three more similar games of equal stature that very day.

(11-07-2016 05:24 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:The flip side is the years where your two best G5 teams are 8-4 South Alabama and 8-5 UNLV. Sorry 11-1 Louisville and Auburn.

Not so fast. I'm not saying 2 G5s automatically make it. They wouldn't be in the Top 20, AND HIGHLY HIGHLY likely with that record would have beaten some P5 Conf or Divisional Champ or anyone in the Top 11 to make it.

So no, in this scenario, you would not be saying sorry to Anyone. They wouldn't be going. :)

*EDIT EXCEPTION TO ENSURE BUT PROBABLY NEVER NEEDED TO BE IMPLEMENTED:
For a Conf G5 Winner who's NOT ranked in the Top 20, but beats any P5 Conf Champ, P5 Div Champ, or anyone in the Top 11 Selected --> You must have 9W or more over FBS opponents. So those two you show would most likely have 7W (playing an FCS), but a 10-2 Troy if they beat, say, Washington State this year who ends up a Div Champ -- would get to go.

1-12, no autobids. Seeded on merit. Unless your goal is just to be inclusive and all the talk about "bogus" and "rigged" is a weak attempt at deception.

I really doubt we see expansion to 8 for the next CFP.

It took this long just to get to 4.


My guess is they're going to be more along the lines of thinking "boy this 4 team playoff really worked great! We're making money hand over fist, TV ratings are great, teams are playing fun games ... let's keep it exactly the same! We finally cooked up a winning recipe!"

(11-07-2016 03:40 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  5 Power 5 champs
1 G5 champ
2 wild cards

This is how I would do it. Even as a G5 fan I'll admit not every G5 champ deserves it. The best G5 team should get a chance tho. And then the 2 wild cards is your 1-loss SEC team that lost to Alabama and your 1-loss Big 10 team that lost to Michigan.

(11-07-2016 05:47 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  4 team playoff ensures at least one P5 team is left out, and we are still complaining about inclusivity?

I would be a proponent of 8 teams if they got rid of CCGs and just played out the 12 game season without an extra game and without declaring a pointless regular season champion. An 8 team playoff following CCGs is stupid because what's the point of winning a division and being penalized to win the CCG if the runner up in your division is already in the top 8? It would make sense for UL to play the extra game instead of Clemson if anything. It doesn't work.

Get rid of CCG's and play the 8 team playoff that weekend. Pretty simple.

Look at the Iowa MSU game last year as the template for a 4/5... and add three more similar games of equal stature that very day.

That's on the conferences and no one else. No one made it a rule that they had to expand to be more financially lucrative, try to improve their stock or pretend they're the SEC. These conferences would be best served fragmenting to roughly their traditional lineups, a la the WAC-16 split into the MWC.

Quote:1-12, no autobids. Seeded on merit. Unless your goal is just to be inclusive and all the talk about "bogus" and "rigged" is a weak attempt at deception.

By that rationale, the Top G5 shouldn't get an auto-bid right now into the NY6 Bowls pointing to the Top 12... and no P5 Conference winners should get auto-bids either.

(11-07-2016 03:33 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

(11-07-2016 03:14 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  On the flip side, about half of D-I has basically no access to the national title.

No access?

How do you come to this conclusion? There are no autobids for anyone therefore nobody is guranteed access nor denied it.

Do you disagree that if UH had run the table they'd be left out? I don't.

The current system rewards good teams who play and win against tough schedules and win their conference

How is that unfair especially given how disparate the level of talent and commitment is in CFB compared to pretty much every other sport?

Actually, there's absolutely zero evidence to indicate that Houston would've been in the playoffs. The selection committee, overwhelmingly helmed by P5 advocates, have consistently under rated G5 teams. Houston was 13 and one last year with wins over 4 top 25 teams and still wasn't in the CFP top 10--much less the top 4. So no, I have zero confidence in the system that appears to be largely stacked and biased toward the P5 to the point that it's almost silly to argue otherwise.

The best way is 5 P5 champs, 1 G5 Champ, and two at large. First round on campus then back to what we have now.

(11-07-2016 06:29 PM)toddjnsn Wrote:  

Quote:1-12, no autobids. Seeded on merit. Unless your goal is just to be inclusive and all the talk about "bogus" and "rigged" is a weak attempt at deception.

By that rationale, the Top G5 shouldn't get an auto-bid right now into the NY6 Bowls pointing to the Top 12... and no P5 Conference winners should get auto-bids either.

The NY6 bowls with autobids are not the playoffs. Those bowls made agreements with the conferences they wanted.

(11-07-2016 03:40 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  5 Power 5 champs
1 G5 champ
2 wild cards

^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^

This is a playoff format that provides access to all. This is a format that doesn't cheapen the regular season because EVERY conference race is important. This is a format that is neither too big nor too small. This is a format that could literally last 100 years without significant change.