So who would you guys have pitched?

Chapman – Utilized; Maddon trusts
Montgomery – Utilized; Maddon trusts
CJ Edwards – Maddon trusts, but he’s a rookie.

Strop – Returned from DL on 23Sep from a knee injury
Rondon – Returned from DL on 03Sep from a throwing arm injury

Grimm – Not going to be utilized in a high-pressure situation.
Wood – He’s had some great moments in Chicago. Was one of Jed’s first acquistions and was an all-star in ’13 as a starter. Good athlete, can hit, and is versatile. At this stage of his career, he’s a loogy and in game 4 Kipnis took him deep.

Francona has two, maybe three, guys that he has trust in, as does Maddon. Andrew Miller happens to be Superman this postseason, but there is an overreaction to the use of Chapman.

Strop and Rondon are supposed to be our set up guys for Chapman. I actually have a lot of faith in Strop. He was excellent before his injury this year, but as you saw last night, he’s not the same guy. It’s something to talk about before a much anticipated game 7, I get it. But, there is a serious overreaction occurring today.

If Chicago loses this series, it’s going to have much more to do with the bats disappearing in game 3 against Tomlin than it does with the use of Chapman. If Kluber isn’t sharp tonight, no one is going to criticize Francona for starting him three times in the series. The roster dictated that is his best option. Same logic should be applied to Maddon and the Cubs’ pen.

Strop, Rondon, or Wood all should have gotten a shot. If they run into trouble, you bring in Chapman. I don't agree with the logic of comparing using him to using Kluber. Kluber isn't starting with a 5-0 lead.

(11-02-2016 12:26 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Strop, Rondon, or Wood all should have gotten a shot. If they run into trouble, you bring in Chapman. I don't agree with the logic of comparing using him to using Kluber. Kluber isn't starting with a 5-0 lead.

If those guys give up a 3 run shot to Lindor, it's a 2 run game with 6 outs to get. Maddon's perspective was to kill the rally and avoid any high-pressure outs in game 6. Right or wrong, it wasn't stupid, IMO. Like I said, I would've used Strop, but I don't think he's close to healthy this PS. He gave up a lot of hard contact to lessor hitters in the 9th.

(11-02-2016 12:49 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  

(11-02-2016 12:26 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Strop, Rondon, or Wood all should have gotten a shot. If they run into trouble, you bring in Chapman. I don't agree with the logic of comparing using him to using Kluber. Kluber isn't starting with a 5-0 lead.

If those guys give up a 3 run shot to Lindor, it's a 2 run game with 6 outs to get. Maddon's perspective was to kill the rally and avoid any high-pressure outs in game 6. Right or wrong, it wasn't stupid, IMO. Like I said, I would've used Strop, but I don't think he's close to healthy this PS. He gave up a lot of hard contact to lessor hitters in the 9th.

Even with that logic, then why bring him back out for the 8th, or 9th. I'll concede on using him for Lindor..... the rest was not bright. It was a panic move IMO.

They had a 5 run lead,it was a panic by Maddon and then I think he lost sight of what was going on with the game. He left him in the game with a 7 run lead in the 9th inning. There is no way to explain that. Rizzo hits a bomb and the pullpen is not even ready to go in the 9th-come on,that is LL stuff.

Strop wasn't ready for the 9th. I've already stated I wouldn't have had Chapman pitch in the 9th even with a 5-run lead. Hoops, I appreciate your position. It's just not as big of a deal to me. History suggests that Lester is going to play a significant role in the Cubs pen tonight regardless of how Chappy was used. It worked for Randy Johnson in '01 and Bumgarner gave SF 5 innings in game 7 in '14.

The Cubs have to score runs against Kluber. Hendricks needs to get through 5 with the lead, and then it's all-hands. It was a risky move by Maddon, fully acknowledged. If Chapman blows a save in the 9th, Maddon will be crucified. Otherwise, this will be forgotten as unnecessary panic by a lot of brilliant baseball minds that chose a profession other than baseball.

Which manager set the line up that had a two run error in the first (even if it wasn't an official error)? Which manager had a player get thrown out at second base in a 6-run game in the 9th? If Cubs do that, I have a feeling Joe's getting killed for not having a prepared team.

(11-02-2016 03:03 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Strop wasn't ready for the 9th. I've already stated I wouldn't have had Chapman pitch in the 9th even with a 5-run lead. Hoops, I appreciate your position. It's just not as big of a deal to me. History suggests that Lester is going to play a significant role in the Cubs pen tonight regardless of how Chappy was used. It worked for Randy Johnson in '01 and Bumgarner gave SF 5 innings in game 7 in '14.

The Cubs have to score runs against Kluber. Hendricks needs to get through 5 with the lead, and then it's all-hands. It was a risky move by Maddon, fully acknowledged. If Chapman blows a save in the 9th, Maddon will be crucified. Otherwise, this will be forgotten as unnecessary panic by a lot of brilliant baseball minds that chose a profession other than baseball.

Which manager set the line up that had a two run error in the first (even if it wasn't an official error)? Which manager had a player get thrown out at second base in a 6-run game in the 9th? If Cubs do that, I have a feeling Joe's getting killed for not having a prepared team.

Either way, hoping for a great game 7 in a series full of mostly games that have been not so great to the outsider. Good luck, Go Cubs!

Yeah, the one game that you probably thought was good was miserable to watch for this Cubs fan. 1-0 in game three, with all of the traffic Cleveland had on the bases was excruciating.

(11-02-2016 03:57 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  Yeah, the one game that you probably thought was good was miserable to watch for this Cubs fan. 1-0 in game three, with all of the traffic Cleveland had on the bases was excruciating.

Game 5 was good too, 4-3, suspense etc. The other 4 though, sheesh.

Win or lose, I'm proud of this team. It's been one helluva ride. I appreciate what they've been able to accomplish. I'm stating this now because I'll have no perspective after the game, win or lose. I haven't agreed with all of Maddon's moves, but like I said in August/September, they're well planned, thought out decisions that I can live with.

I love the core of this team. I love Maddon, Bosio and Martinez! I love what the Ricketts family has brought to the organization, and the front office, including Epstein, Hoyer and Mcleod. For all I know, this will be the only WS I'll ever experience. It's been awesome to see Maddux, Sutcliffe, Sandberg and Dawson in the crowd. The tributes to Harry, Ernie and Ron have been awesome. It's been fun. To talk with Cubs fans that I grew up with and dreamed the unimaginable with. It's been an opportunity to harken back to '89, the ride Sammy gave us in '98, '03, '07 and '08.

Eddie Vedder's "someday we'll go all the way" does a great job of capturing the fandom of a Chicago fan. It's easy to give us a hard time, but for those of us that have been die-hard, lifelong fans, this has been special. "United we stand and united we'll fall down to our knees the day that we win it all...and when the day comes with that last winning run and I'm crying and covered in beer. I'll look to the sky and know I was right...." Go Cubs go!

Yanking Hendricks when he's dealing! Another panic move. Just don't get it. They may win despite him but Maddon has moved down my hierarchy after his over managing this series.

Was really really really hoping I was going to be wrong on Chapman. But I was unequivocally 150% without a doubt right here. Damnit

Maddons managing here and last night can be compared to prevent defense in football

Congrats Fellas!!!! What an epic game 7

Omg. Guys.

It just happened!!!!!

Our Cubs are World Series Champions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm losing my mind right now. This feels effing amazing.

Maddon may have panicked a little.

So what?!

He's a world champ baaaaaaby!!!!!

Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go!

In Chicago waaaaddya say?

Cubs are gonna win today!!!!!!!!!!!!

(11-03-2016 12:24 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  Omg. Guys.

It just happened!!!!!

Our Cubs are World Series Champions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm losing my mind right now. This feels effing amazing.

Maddon may have panicked a little.

So what?!

He's a world champ baaaaaaby!!!!!

Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go!

In Chicago waaaaddya say?

Cubs are gonna win today!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cubs win! Cubs win! Holy Cow!

(11-02-2016 10:16 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Was really really really hoping I was going to be wrong on Chapman. But I was unequivocally 150% without a doubt right here. Damnit

Guys bailed him out. I'll take my crow in a deep-dish pizza, washed down with a Budweiser for Harry.

It was an exciting game for sure but also a little sloppy at times-Indians on the throw home was just terrible and the double play ball hit to Napoli was a give away. Baez had a tough game at 2nd but hit a bomb!
Without question the Cubs had more talent on the field at all times and basically rode that to the win. Maddon was beyond terrible and I thought kept Cleveland in the game with one made bad move after another. They won in spite of him and if they had lost he would have been in hot water with the fan base and maybe he loses his job. The guy is so overrated its a joke. I watched him very closely with Tampa over the years and he made moves there just left you shaking your head-why. The team is stacked and has a chance to be great for the next few years. Maybe he figures it out now but his ego damn near cost them them the WS. I am biased of course but he made the case for me to rip his ass.
Great series and go Yankees!

Mullet, being a Yankees fan i'm curious as to what you think of Girardi? The types of moves Maddon made that we are criticizing are typical Girardi type over manage moves. I'm a diehard and I absolutely despise Girardi and always have.

damnyankees

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