(10-17-2016 10:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 09:15 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:19 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:00 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:56 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Smart @55

The AAC isn't losing any members... Mike Aresco has no more road blocks $$$.

Exactly, if he's worth what the AAC has been paying him he's gonna show it soon. The league has out performed any reasonable expectations and has been/will be stable. There are no excuses for him to not be able to greatly increase the TV value. If that doesn't happen quite frankly he needs to hit the road.

Thinking out loud here.

If Mike Aresco fails to convince tv networks for a respectable $$$ bump than the expansion thang may not be over just yet.

define respectable, The AAC even if he pulled off quadrupling the deal wont keep any members here.

We really can't view this league's current network deal as a legit over the counter purchase... I think we can blame our enemy instability for why the purchaser made the bit it did.

But now that this (AAC) product has strengthen its backbone significantly = ratings, 8mil - 12mil is a respectable number this league should be paid.

Good luck with that, the problem is there is no incentive to pay you guys that much money. Now, I think if you guys could put on a better basketball product like adding three good basketball programs (Wichita, VCU, Dayton). Then you could argue that your worth at least as much as the Big East. There is not anything wrong with AAC basketball now, but it is very top heavy.

Football, it is what it is for you guys. BYU is not coming and no one from the MWC is coming unless you sell Boise State.

(10-18-2016 07:30 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 10:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 09:15 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:19 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:00 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Exactly, if he's worth what the AAC has been paying him he's gonna show it soon. The league has out performed any reasonable expectations and has been/will be stable. There are no excuses for him to not be able to greatly increase the TV value. If that doesn't happen quite frankly he needs to hit the road.

Thinking out loud here.

If Mike Aresco fails to convince tv networks for a respectable $$$ bump than the expansion thang may not be over just yet.

define respectable, The AAC even if he pulled off quadrupling the deal wont keep any members here.

We really can't view this league's current network deal as a legit over the counter purchase... I think we can blame our enemy instability for why the purchaser made the bit it did.

But now that this (AAC) product has strengthen its backbone significantly = ratings, 8mil - 12mil is a respectable number this league should be paid.

Good luck with that, the problem is there is no incentive to pay you guys that much money. Now, I think if you guys could put on a better basketball product like adding three good basketball programs (Wichita, VCU, Dayton). Then you could argue that your worth at least as much as the Big East. There is not anything wrong with AAC basketball now, but it is very top heavy.

Football, it is what it is for you guys. BYU is not coming and no one from the MWC is coming unless you sell Boise State.

The thing outsiders forget is even if the league adds no one they are getting additional inventory for the next TV deal in Navy's home games. So you are talking about semi annual games with ND and Air Force that will be added to the league's TV package, all the Navy home league games, and at least half of the Army-Navy game. Even if you were to believe the value of the AAC was not suppressed at all that additional inventory has a lot of value. So the football value is going to increase no matter what, unless you believe networks don't wanna air Navy-ND and Army-Navy.

(10-18-2016 07:30 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 10:11 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 09:15 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:19 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:00 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Exactly, if he's worth what the AAC has been paying him he's gonna show it soon. The league has out performed any reasonable expectations and has been/will be stable. There are no excuses for him to not be able to greatly increase the TV value. If that doesn't happen quite frankly he needs to hit the road.

Thinking out loud here.

If Mike Aresco fails to convince tv networks for a respectable $$$ bump than the expansion thang may not be over just yet.

define respectable, The AAC even if he pulled off quadrupling the deal wont keep any members here.

We really can't view this league's current network deal as a legit over the counter purchase... I think we can blame our enemy instability for why the purchaser made the bit it did.

But now that this (AAC) product has strengthen its backbone significantly = ratings, 8mil - 12mil is a respectable number this league should be paid.

Good luck with that, the problem is there is no incentive to pay you guys that much money. Now, I think if you guys could put on a better basketball product like adding three good basketball programs (Wichita, VCU, Dayton). Then you could argue that your worth at least as much as the Big East. There is not anything wrong with AAC basketball now, but it is very top heavy.

Football, it is what it is for you guys. BYU is not coming and no one from the MWC is coming unless you sell Boise State.

I think you haven't been paying attention if you really believe the conference is openly pursuing expansion... or even thinks it needs to expand, in light of keeping all of the present properties under the AAC umbrella.

If there is one thing that this exercise has shown us its that the value beyond autonomy is in the AAC.

I think the membership and Aresco are content building the basketball from within the current group, through coaching hires, etc.

The "incentive" to pay the AAC market value can be monetized in a track record that's getting more valuable by the day as other conferences pursue their future apart from the WWL. The AAC doesn't need Boise or any of the MWC for that. If Aresco chose to go that route, fine, but it would have to be with the cooperation of the networks (perhaps with a pro rata in the next contract). 12 is a good number for the American, imo.

(10-17-2016 05:56 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:00 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  You going somewhere else?

Smart @55

The AAC isn't losing any members... Mike Aresco has no more road blocks $$$.

So he is going to squeeze money out of the same folks who just said to the B12 "if these 11 are the candidates, DON'T DO IT"?


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(10-18-2016 08:03 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:56 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:00 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  You going somewhere else?

Smart @55

The AAC isn't losing any members... Mike Aresco has no more road blocks $$$.

So he is going to squeeze money out of the same folks who just said to the B12 "if these 11 are the candidates, DON'T DO IT"?


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Why are these Sunbelt fans from Troy State (TrojanCampaign) and Georgia State (panama) so hot and bothered about our TV deal?

(10-18-2016 08:03 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:56 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:00 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  You going somewhere else?

Smart @55

The AAC isn't losing any members... Mike Aresco has no more road blocks $$$.

So he is going to squeeze money out of the same folks who just said to the B12 "if these 11 are the candidates, DON'T DO IT"?


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Big difference between saying those schools aren't worth 25 million a year vs saying they aren't worth more than 2 million a year. Whole bunch of in between there.

(10-17-2016 09:15 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:19 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:00 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:56 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:00 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  You going somewhere else?

Smart @55

The AAC isn't losing any members... Mike Aresco has no more road blocks $$$.

Exactly, if he's worth what the AAC has been paying him he's gonna show it soon. The league has out performed any reasonable expectations and has been/will be stable. There are no excuses for him to not be able to greatly increase the TV value. If that doesn't happen quite frankly he needs to hit the road.

Thinking out loud here.

If Mike Aresco fails to convince tv networks for a respectable $$$ bump than the expansion thang may not be over just yet.

define respectable, The AAC even if he pulled off quadrupling the deal wont keep any members here.

Members leaving apparently isn't going to be an issue since there is nowhere better for them to go. Increasing the contract by four fold may not be the answer, but it would certainly help. Most importantly, it would create another level of separation between the AAC and the rest of the G5.

(10-17-2016 06:00 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:56 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:00 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  You going somewhere else?

Smart @55

The AAC isn't losing any members... Mike Aresco has no more road blocks $$$.

Exactly, if he's worth what the AAC has been paying him he's gonna show it soon. The league has out performed any reasonable expectations and has been/will be stable. There are no excuses for him to not be able to greatly increase the TV value. If that doesn't happen quite frankly he needs to hit the road.

On field performance means nothing without good TV ratings. The networks would rather show a 6-6 UF over a 12-0 UCF. Its sucks, but that's the way it is.

(10-18-2016 08:31 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:00 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:56 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:00 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  You going somewhere else?

Smart @55

The AAC isn't losing any members... Mike Aresco has no more road blocks $$$.

Exactly, if he's worth what the AAC has been paying him he's gonna show it soon. The league has out performed any reasonable expectations and has been/will be stable. There are no excuses for him to not be able to greatly increase the TV value. If that doesn't happen quite frankly he needs to hit the road.

On field performance means nothing without good TV ratings. The networks would rather show a 6-6 UF over a 12-0 UCF. Its sucks, but that's the way it is.

The American has had good ratings. Just because it's not SEC level ratings doesn't mean they aren't "good" ratings.

Btw, I doubt a 6-6 Florida would outdraw 12-0 UCF in the national ratings.

(10-18-2016 08:30 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 09:15 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:19 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:00 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:56 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Smart @55

The AAC isn't losing any members... Mike Aresco has no more road blocks $$$.

Exactly, if he's worth what the AAC has been paying him he's gonna show it soon. The league has out performed any reasonable expectations and has been/will be stable. There are no excuses for him to not be able to greatly increase the TV value. If that doesn't happen quite frankly he needs to hit the road.

Thinking out loud here.

If Mike Aresco fails to convince tv networks for a respectable $$$ bump than the expansion thang may not be over just yet.

define respectable, The AAC even if he pulled off quadrupling the deal wont keep any members here.

Members leaving apparently isn't going to be an issue since there is nowhere better for them to go. Increasing the contract by four fold may not be the answer, but it would certainly help. Most importantly, it would create another level of separation between the AAC and the rest of the G5.

We need to get our own contract bowl. We shouldn't have to fight for a New Years Six bowl with four other conferences. We also need to improve our other bowl affiliations. They're absolute garbage IMO.

(10-18-2016 08:31 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:00 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:56 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:00 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  You going somewhere else?

Smart @55

The AAC isn't losing any members... Mike Aresco has no more road blocks $$$.

Exactly, if he's worth what the AAC has been paying him he's gonna show it soon. The league has out performed any reasonable expectations and has been/will be stable. There are no excuses for him to not be able to greatly increase the TV value. If that doesn't happen quite frankly he needs to hit the road.

On field performance means nothing without good TV ratings. The networks would rather show a 6-6 UF over a 12-0 UCF. Its sucks, but that's the way it is.

The AAC has a track record of good ratings now to fall back on. No not quite P5 ratings, but by no means 1/10th the ratings either. You are correct ratings matter and Aresco now has that to sell along with on the field performance plus stability plus all of Navy's inventory that's not included in this deal. If he can't take all of that and get a very good raise for the league he needs to be fired he's not worth what the league is paying him.

(10-18-2016 08:35 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 08:30 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 09:15 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:19 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:00 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Exactly, if he's worth what the AAC has been paying him he's gonna show it soon. The league has out performed any reasonable expectations and has been/will be stable. There are no excuses for him to not be able to greatly increase the TV value. If that doesn't happen quite frankly he needs to hit the road.

Thinking out loud here.

If Mike Aresco fails to convince tv networks for a respectable $$$ bump than the expansion thang may not be over just yet.

define respectable, The AAC even if he pulled off quadrupling the deal wont keep any members here.

Members leaving apparently isn't going to be an issue since there is nowhere better for them to go. Increasing the contract by four fold may not be the answer, but it would certainly help. Most importantly, it would create another level of separation between the AAC and the rest of the G5.

We need to get our own contract bowl. We shouldn't have to fight for a New Years Six bowl with four other conferences. We also need to improve our other bowl affiliations. They're absolute garbage IMO.

This I agree with and I believe that's the goal. Let's not forget that it was Mike Aresco with the foot in the door to get the access slot in the first place.

(10-18-2016 06:23 AM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  I admittedly am not on this board as much anymore.

When did this information about there not being a look-in in the AAC media deal come from?

I distinctly remember them saying there was one. Where is the source on this because I would like to read it?

Aresco has said several times that there is no official "look in". That said, the MAC didn't have one either. Didn't stop the MAC from signing an early extension that increased their pay in the last 3 remaining years of the old contract (from 1 million to 8 million for the whole league) and then from 8 million to 10 million a year in the extension years. Thats a 10 fold increase despite never making it to the open market. When we reach the end of the current athletic season, we will have 3 years left on our ESPN deal---the exact same point at which the MAC negotiated thier extension.

(10-17-2016 05:00 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  You going somewhere else?

Just Tom Herman.

(10-18-2016 08:41 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 08:35 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 08:30 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 09:15 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:19 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  Thinking out loud here.

If Mike Aresco fails to convince tv networks for a respectable $$$ bump than the expansion thang may not be over just yet.

define respectable, The AAC even if he pulled off quadrupling the deal wont keep any members here.

Members leaving apparently isn't going to be an issue since there is nowhere better for them to go. Increasing the contract by four fold may not be the answer, but it would certainly help. Most importantly, it would create another level of separation between the AAC and the rest of the G5.

We need to get our own contract bowl. We shouldn't have to fight for a New Years Six bowl with four other conferences. We also need to improve our other bowl affiliations. They're absolute garbage IMO.

This I agree with and I believe that's the goal. Let's not forget that it was Mike Aresco with the foot in the door to get the access slot in the first place.

It would require a network being willing to pay a minimum of 40 million for the rights to that game. There were no takers last time around.

Frankly, I doubt that happens. I do think having at least one quality bowl game to serve as an anchor bowl (as well as a guaranteed post season destination for our champ vs a #3-#5 selection from a P5) would be a huge step forward for the conference. I think that could be something ESPN could pull off as part of the extension. It could be accomplished by giving a rotating slot in the pool of bowls made up of the Liberty, Texas, Belk, Gator, and Music City Bowls---or it could be done by adding 4 million to the Miami Bowl payout (in exchange for the TV rights) and simply adding the Miami Bowl to the bowl pool mentioned previously. That's a change that could happen just 3 years from now when the bowl go through another negotiating cycle.

The later method would be the best option as one characteristic of power conferences is having a traditional guaranteed quality post season destination for thier champions.

(10-18-2016 08:18 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 08:03 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:56 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:00 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  You going somewhere else?

Smart @55

The AAC isn't losing any members... Mike Aresco has no more road blocks $$$.

So he is going to squeeze money out of the same folks who just said to the B12 "if these 11 are the candidates, DON'T DO IT"?


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Why are these Sunbelt fans from Troy State (TrojanCampaign) and Georgia State (panama) so hot and bothered about our TV deal?

Don't lump Troy with gastate. Gastate shouldn't be d1. Troy has 1 loss by 1 score to Clemson. Gastate has no redeeming qualities and is the Sunbelt mistake add.

(10-18-2016 07:28 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 05:34 AM)J Coog Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 09:03 PM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:19 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 06:00 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  [quote='BigHouston' pid='13690456' dateline='1476745011']

Smart @55

The AAC isn't losing any members... Mike Aresco has no more road blocks $$$.

Actually, this is wrong. There is no reason he cannot be proactive, even if just for preliminary negotiations. Even if there is no "look-in", he can negotiate the next contract so that members can budget and plan. We all know that the effort to operate between current P5 and G4 teams is not sustainable at the current revenue levels.

Right now he can only talk with ESPN. I expect he only has a shot at 7mil plus if he goes to open market. That can not happen until current deal is finished.

I could see him working with ESPN on a deal where the contract is extended until lets say 2025 with the money increasing per year.
Example
2018- 3.0 million up from 2.0 in current contract
2019- 4.0 miliion up from current 2.0
2020- 4.5 million up from 2.0 in current contract
2021- 5.0 million extended contract
2022- 5.5 million
2023- 6.0 million
2024- 6.5 million
2025- 7.0 million

(10-18-2016 08:53 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 06:23 AM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  I admittedly am not on this board as much anymore.

When did this information about there not being a look-in in the AAC media deal come from?

I distinctly remember them saying there was one. Where is the source on this because I would like to read it?

Aresco has said several times that there is no official "look in". That said, the MAC didn't have one either. Didn't stop the MAC from signing an early extension that increased their pay in the last 3 remaining years of the old contract (from 1 million to 8 million for the whole league) and then from 8 million to 10 million a year in the extension years. Thats a 10 fold increase despite never making it to the open market. When we reach the end of the current athletic season, we will have 3 years left on our ESPN deal---the exact same point at which the MAC negotiated thier extension.

I agree. While there may not be an official look in there is also a precedent for media deals to be negotiated prior to them expiring. So I could very easily see ESPN working with the league on an increase/extension. I have no idea what the amount will be but I do know they will add Navy's inventory and just based on ratings alone stand to get some kind of increase. Could it be similar to the MAC level increase? Maybe but I wouldn't be shocked with any amount to be honest. I think 8- 9 would be a fair amount.

I also think now that stability has returned the league really should work on a scheduling/bowl alliance with Army. I think landing better bowl deals would be helped by having both Army and Navy as part of the deal. And playing maybe 4 games a year against Army would also help the TV deal as well. I swear I just saw some bowl deals already extended so hopefully Aresco has a plan and is working the phones now so the league can improve in this area. Really no where to go but up. Military is about the only decent one. Maybe you could land the ACC for the Miami Beach Bowl for the years they don't have the Orange Bowl and maybe grab the PAC12 for the other years. Just think the league needs to think outside the box. I like the idea attackcoog has about a rotating big bowl but I don't know if it would fly or not.

(10-18-2016 09:05 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 08:18 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(10-18-2016 08:03 AM)panama Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:56 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(10-17-2016 05:00 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  You going somewhere else?

Smart @55

The AAC isn't losing any members... Mike Aresco has no more road blocks $$$.

So he is going to squeeze money out of the same folks who just said to the B12 "if these 11 are the candidates, DON'T DO IT"?


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Why are these Sunbelt fans from Troy State (TrojanCampaign) and Georgia State (panama) so hot and bothered about our TV deal?

Don't lump Troy with gastate. Gastate shouldn't be d1. Troy has 1 loss by 1 score to Clemson. Gastate has no redeeming qualities and is the Sunbelt mistake add.

Lol! I suppose yesterday is too soon Shere? LoL. You're always worth a good laugh.


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Aresco needs to:

1) Negotiate more TV money

2) Secure a contract/anchor and high end sponsor bowl(s) w/ higher payouts

3) Push for a 6 to 8 team playoff