I think we have done ok with some graduate transfers, although the injury to Moore this year certainly hurts. I believe Powell is another graduate transfer - he was the one that smoked the EMU player on the mugged Corey Jones punt return that almost went all the way. I did not see it happen in person, but watched the replay on ESPN3 - and although it looked like he used his shoulder pads and not his helmet, he did hit him high and above the shoulders. Penalty was the right call and those types of hits have to be enforced. That could have been a killer for us - not unlike last year against WMU.

One other grad transfer I was not aware of - Gehrig Dieter is playing at Alabama? I guess I may have heard that before, but wasn't sure if it was correct at the time. How did that come about? Did he leave BG because the coach left?

Gehrig knew the cupboard was bare QB-wise for his senior year and he wanted high visibility so he went to Bama to facilitate his potential pro career.

I get it.

Go Rockets!

(10-10-2016 11:00 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  I think we have done ok with some graduate transfers, although the injury to Moore this year certainly hurts. I believe Powell is another graduate transfer - he was the one that smoked the EMU player on the mugged Corey Jones punt return that almost went all the way. I did not see it happen in person, but watched the replay on ESPN3 - and although it looked like he used his shoulder pads and not his helmet, he did hit him high and above the shoulders. Penalty was the right call and those types of hits have to be enforced. That could have been a killer for us - not unlike last year against WMU.

One other grad transfer I was not aware of - Gehrig Dieter is playing at Alabama? I guess I may have heard that before, but wasn't sure if it was correct at the time. How did that come about? Did he leave BG because the coach left?

I gotta say I think we have done really well with the grad transfers in recent years.
Roland Milligan last year really stands out as a great example of what they can bring to the table. Moore's injury is proving to have quite an impact as well which to me just speaks volumes of how these players can come in and have an influence right away. As long as they can come in and help, keep them coming. In moderation of course!

Mark Myers from Whitmer and Michigan State is a graduate transfer. Too bad his old team could not play BYU as tough as the Rockets did this season.

Rockets had 5 grad transfers this year.

Moore was definitely contributing, although I'm not sure he would have started if Marquise had not be suspended. Still his injury put a big dent in the DL depth.

Powell has been contributing on special teams and some as a backup LB, but even with all the injuries to other LBs so far, he still hasn't made it that far up the depth chart. Mark Meyers has 2 tackles, playing a little on special teams. Montgomery has 1 catch in very spotty duty at WR. Frye appears to be no longer on the team. So overall not a huge amount of contributions from 5 players from P5 schools so far. Just goes to show that just because a player is from a P5 school, that does not mean they are automatically going to be better than the players already here.

Carter was a big contributor last season, so that transfer was a big success.

Milligan technically wasn't a grad transfer I don't believe, but instead transferred because of UAB shutting down the FB program. Because of the latter, he was allowed to play right away.

Sheesh, Dieter is now on his third college team. Some kinda loyal kid that is...

(10-10-2016 11:00 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  I think we have done ok with some graduate transfers, although the injury to Moore this year certainly hurts. I believe Powell is another graduate transfer - he was the one that smoked the EMU player on the mugged Corey Jones punt return that almost went all the way. I did not see it happen in person, but watched the replay on ESPN3 - and although it looked like he used his shoulder pads and not his helmet, he did hit him high and above the shoulders. Penalty was the right call and those types of hits have to be enforced. That could have been a killer for us - not unlike last year against WMU.

One other grad transfer I was not aware of - Gehrig Dieter is playing at Alabama? I guess I may have heard that before, but wasn't sure if it was correct at the time. How did that come about? Did he leave BG because the coach left?

Not that the EMU player did not deserve to be blocked, but the sort of hit was unneeded and unsportsmanlike.

(10-10-2016 01:17 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  Rockets had 5 grad transfers this year.

Moore was definitely contributing, although I'm not sure he would have started if Marquise had not be suspended. Still his injury put a big dent in the DL depth.

Powell has been contributing on special teams and some as a backup LB, but even with all the injuries to other LBs so far, he still hasn't made it that far up the depth chart. Mark Meyers has 2 tackles, playing a little on special teams. Montgomery has 1 catch in very spotty duty at WR. Frye appears to be no longer on the team. So overall not a huge amount of contributions from 5 players from P5 schools so far. Just goes to show that just because a player is from a P5 school, that does not mean they are automatically going to be better than the players already here.

Carter was a big contributor last season, so that transfer was a big success.

Milligan technically wasn't a grad transfer I don't believe, but instead transferred because of UAB shutting down the FB program. Because of the latter, he was allowed to play right away.

I think it has already been shown that Moore's loss has impacted the defense.

(10-10-2016 01:21 PM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  Sheesh, Dieter is now on his third college team. Some kinda loyal kid that is...

Where was he before BG? I didn't like him because of his name. Apparently his father is a huge Yankees fan (and I'm BoSox fan) and named him after Lou Gehrig. I think he has a brother named after Derek Jeter, but it is not Jeter Dieter - instead Derek Dieter. Not confirmed on that, just remember a commentator saying that last year.

Desmond Frye (Va Tech) played a decent amount in the 1st game, at least enough for me to notice him...and then quit the team a week later.

Earl Moore (The U) caused a lot of havoc in the trenches when he played. We had two 300+ lb. bad dudes playing on the interior of our dline, with another 300+ lb. guy backing them up. It was a huge advantage for us, not so much now with his season-ending injury.

Powell (Florida) is making the biggest impact now among the 3 remaining. Montgomery (Iowa St) and Myers (Michigan St) haven't contributed much yet. I'd like to see us utilize Montgomery's size (6'6") and get him the ball more.

I love grad transfers. They get to experience what life as a Toledo Rocket is like, having usually come from a P5 program. They bring a kind of mystery to the program where you could end up pleasantly surprised (Milligan and Carter come to mind from last year).

I like the idea of a graduate transfer over a JUCO player. If you get a Graduate transfer, you already know what he is going to be able to contribute to your team, and you shouldn't have to worry about them bringing any off the field issues with them.

(10-10-2016 06:59 PM)MotoRocket Wrote:  

(10-10-2016 01:21 PM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  Sheesh, Dieter is now on his third college team. Some kinda loyal kid that is...

Where was he before BG? I didn't like him because of his name. Apparently his father is a huge Yankees fan (and I'm BoSox fan) and named him after Lou Gehrig. I think he has a brother named after Derek Jeter, but it is not Jeter Dieter - instead Derek Dieter. Not confirmed on that, just remember a commentator saying that last year.

He played 2012 at SMU, redshirt/transfer 2013, BG 2014 and 2015, now Alabama 2016.

Anyone know what Moores injury is and how long he'll be out? He played well in the first couple games. Also, I think Powells hit vs EMU was clean. I thought so in person and I confirmed it in the espn3 replay. MAC refs are exceptionally bad and it was a terrible call IMO.

(10-11-2016 12:47 AM)toledobigmike Wrote:  Anyone know what Moores injury is and how long he'll be out? He played well in the first couple games. Also, I think Powells hit vs EMU was clean. I thought so in person and I confirmed it in the espn3 replay. MAC refs are exceptionally bad and it was a terrible call IMO.

Believe he's out for the season.

Yeah, I can't believe more people aren't talking about Powells hit. I missed it live watching the ball. But went back on replay. He didn't use the crown of his helmet, didn't follow through with his forearm. It was agressive but it's football. On another thread, I said that every player should have their head on a swivel, expecting to get hit. If players are just running down the field thinking the camera will protect them, that is an injury waiting to happen. I wish the conf can review these things and reverse the suspension. You have to wonder what replay is seeing that we all can see?

(10-11-2016 12:20 PM)emanoh Wrote:  Yeah, I can't believe more people aren't talking about Powells hit. I missed it live watching the ball. But went back on replay. He didn't use the crown of his helmet, didn't follow through with his forearm. It was agressive but it's football. On another thread, I said that every player should have their head on a swivel, expecting to get hit. If players are just running down the field thinking the camera will protect them, that is an injury waiting to happen. I wish the conf can review these things and reverse the suspension. You have to wonder what replay is seeing that we all can see?

It was just a very hard hit. Too good of a hit. Bad call.

Watch: Female kicker levels returner with ferocious hit

http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/10/...d=aol_home

(10-11-2016 12:20 PM)emanoh Wrote:  Yeah, I can't believe more people aren't talking about Powells hit. I missed it live watching the ball. But went back on replay. He didn't use the crown of his helmet, didn't follow through with his forearm. It was agressive but it's football. On another thread, I said that every player should have their head on a swivel, expecting to get hit. If players are just running down the field thinking the camera will protect them, that is an injury waiting to happen. I wish the conf can review these things and reverse the suspension. You have to wonder what replay is seeing that we all can see?

It was absolutely the correct call according to the rules. Although leading with the crown of the helmet is one form of targeting, that is not the only one. It is targeting to forcibly hit a defenseless player above the shoulders. The hit can be with the crown of the helmet, or with the shoulder, arm, hand, etc. There are many categories of defenseless players, including (but not limited to) receivers in the act of the catch, returners in the act of the catch, quarterbacks in the act of throwing, and any player who receives a blind-side block. (Rule 9, Section 1, Article 4).

The reality is that with all that has been, and is still being, learned about the devastating long term brain health consequences of repeated head injuries, all levels of football simply have no choice but to take action to try to eliminate violent contact to the head. If they don't, there are gonna be more and more law suits and eventually there would be legislation. If you don't like this, you really won't like Congress setting the rules for football, but they might.

I for one would prefer to watch a game where I know players aren't risking life-long mental health issues or early death because of these hits.

The reality is, football rules have changed a lot over the years. There are numerous things that are illegal now, that didn't used to be. Every time a change like that is implemented, there are some who believe it is ruining the game, and there will be no way for players to adjust, and it "won't be football anymore". Yet, every time, somehow everyone adjusts and forgets that thing ever used to be legal and football stays as popular as ever, if not more popular. I'm all for getting these types of hits out of the game.

(10-11-2016 10:57 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 12:47 AM)toledobigmike Wrote:  Anyone know what Moores injury is and how long he'll be out? He played well in the first couple games. Also, I think Powells hit vs EMU was clean. I thought so in person and I confirmed it in the espn3 replay. MAC refs are exceptionally bad and it was a terrible call IMO.

Believe he's out for the season.

Yep, that was in the game notes for the BYU game. Didn't specify the particular injury, but said he is out for the year.

(10-11-2016 05:20 PM)northcoastRocket Wrote:  

(10-11-2016 12:20 PM)emanoh Wrote:  Yeah, I can't believe more people aren't talking about Powells hit. I missed it live watching the ball. But went back on replay. He didn't use the crown of his helmet, didn't follow through with his forearm. It was agressive but it's football. On another thread, I said that every player should have their head on a swivel, expecting to get hit. If players are just running down the field thinking the camera will protect them, that is an injury waiting to happen. I wish the conf can review these things and reverse the suspension. You have to wonder what replay is seeing that we all can see?

It was absolutely the correct call according to the rules. Although leading with the crown of the helmet is one form of targeting, that is not the only one. It is targeting to forcibly hit a defenseless player above the shoulders. The hit can be with the crown of the helmet, or with the shoulder, arm, hand, etc. There are many categories of defenseless players, including (but not limited to) receivers in the act of the catch, returners in the act of the catch, quarterbacks in the act of throwing, and any player who receives a blind-side block. (Rule 9, Section 1, Article 4).

The reality is that with all that has been, and is still being, learned about the devastating long term brain health consequences of repeated head injuries, all levels of football simply have no choice but to take action to try to eliminate violent contact to the head. If they don't, there are gonna be more and more law suits and eventually there would be legislation. If you don't like this, you really won't like Congress setting the rules for football, but they might.

I for one would prefer to watch a game where I know players aren't risking life-long mental health issues or early death because of these hits.

The reality is, football rules have changed a lot over the years. There are numerous things that are illegal now, that didn't used to be. Every time a change like that is implemented, there are some who believe it is ruining the game, and there will be no way for players to adjust, and it "won't be football anymore". Yet, every time, somehow everyone adjusts and forgets that thing ever used to be legal and football stays as popular as ever, if not more popular. I'm all for getting these types of hits out of the game.

How is the player defenseless when they are running almost directly at one another? The ESPN3 Broadcaster questioned it saying the EMU player was not defenseless. It occurs at 2:15:31 mark of the ESPN3 replay.
He also commented that he wouldn't want to make that call.