It's 1TB a month -- first two months, no surcharge. You can pay $50 a month EXTRA to have unlimited.

So for ESPN & CBSSN & NBCSN and such to watch streaming games...

I downloaded the WMU/CMU game in HD highly compressed and not supreme quality (which I assume HD streaming's like for games) @ 2.4gb for about 2hrs 30m (commercials weeded).

So it's 1 GB an hour for HD sports streaming that's highly compressed & not supreme quality but good. You'd have to watch 1,000 hours of compressed HD videos (sports and Skinemax-like 'sports') to hit 1TB. Obviously that's not the only thing you'd be doing though on the Internet.

If I watch, say, 20 hours of sports games & related videos not thru the cable box, but Online thru Amazon/Roku/etc box, some of which won't be in HD but I'll call it that for watching clips of random stuff here and thru thru a week -- that's 20GB a week = 87GB a month. That's for an Avid sports watcher. It only soaks up 8.7% of the Limit. Shrug.

I think the 4K streaming & complex gaming threatens it.

(10-07-2016 12:05 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  So cable providers got into internet markets to control this very thing.

Yes. Comcast's goal is that you will pay money to Comcast whenever you look at a screen, whether it's a TV, smartphone, laptop, iPad, whatever.

Tom,

HA HA HA!!! Aren't you a hilarious guy????!!

You think Comcast, et al are simply going to allow cities to create municipal broadband. Fat f____ing chance, my friend. They have the game well rigged. Even sued two cities (one in Tennessee and I think one in North Carolina) for creating municipal broadband networks against state laws, or something like that.

swagger,

Fair enough. I do very little downloading these days (not much of a PC gamer). And I'm very satisfied with watching "plain" HD TV streaming, which I only watch maybe 1hr a night. Then just regular web cruising.

(10-07-2016 12:24 PM)BroncoBailey Wrote:  Although I am not a fan of the general direction that Alphabet/Google is taking - their fiber product is outstanding! No data caps. Once they enter a market, Google will dominate.

At their current pace, Google Fiber will be available in 50% of American homes in 2156

(10-07-2016 02:34 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Tom,

HA HA HA!!! Aren't you a hilarious guy????!!

You think Comcast, et al are simply going to allow cities to create municipal broadband. Fat f____ing chance, my friend. They have the game well rigged. Even sued two cities (one in Tennessee and I think one in North Carolina) for creating municipal broadband networks against state laws, or something like that.

Oh Comcast would fight tooth and nail, using massive donations to local officials to fight a public internet utility. But the threat of one would certainly help put Comcast on the back foot.

(10-07-2016 02:34 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Tom,

HA HA HA!!! Aren't you a hilarious guy????!!

You think Comcast, et al are simply going to allow cities to create municipal broadband. Fat f____ing chance, my friend. They have the game well rigged. Even sued two cities (one in Tennessee and I think one in North Carolina) for creating municipal broadband networks against state laws, or something like that.

I think Chattanooga has a public internet provider in EPB (Its why they're called Gig City) If Comcast sued them then they failed.

(10-07-2016 12:05 PM)goofus Wrote:  Could backfire on comcast. Customers could dump comcast altogether and go with alternative services.

On the other hand maybe this makes sense. The other customers most likely to dump comcast, single people who are not home much, probably are not exceeding the limit. Which leaves comcast with just the high usage customers.

so it may make sense for comcast to charge more for a niche market, the stay at home, high data usage customer.

Like what? Most neighborhoods only have 1-2 service providers. And it's usually a combination of DSL/Cable or Cable/Fiber.

(10-07-2016 01:20 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Not to brush aside the implications of this -- I absolutely believe this is just the start ....

But who's really using 1024 GB of data in a month?? That's over 34 GB per day for 30 days.

You would be surprised, many cable cutters do everything online.

Tom, van,

The battle is already lost, the game is already rigged. I probably misspoke when I talked of Comcast suing people. Maybe not.

My point is just that a few cities squeaked in before they laid the hard kibosh down. But those cities can't even expand their networks to their adjacent neighbor cities! Let alone the "preposterous" thought of new municipal networks being set up.


They got it so that state laws strictly forbid such silly things. And the FCC has been utterly hapless at getting it overturned. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/...tate-laws/

I'm trying to figure out what the exact problem is here and why Comcast is in the wrong. You use a service then you should pay for the service. If you use a lot of the service then you should pay a lot for the service.

I feel for.you guys in Comcast country. They are just awful. North Carolina really kicked out their was so much resistance to the their time warner takeover or else we would be in the same boat as our neighbors in VA and SC

Kap,

Well, it could be a big problem if Comcast was the only ISP in the community, yes?

(10-07-2016 12:05 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  So cable providers got into internet markets to control this very thing. Eventually the market will demand separate internet access, with no limits to show cable providers they can't keep raising rates and providing crap setvice, while trying to strongarm the paying public.

I'm a pro business guy, but the cable industry is predatory to their customers and I hope eventually that internet access gets regulated with government oversight, and cable companies can die the death they deserve.

cable got into the internet because they had a big copper cable running to peoples home for the "last mile"

and as for the "regulation" that ring you hear is Ba Bell wondering if you are going to pay your $5 dollar rental fee on your rotary phone this month and if you would like to add their new high tech feature "call waiting" it is really neato


I just checked I used 90 gigs of 1024 so far this month with 4 days left in the billing cycle and the high was 7 gigs used on 9/22 and most of that was downstream

I don't think I could watch more crap on my computer if I tried I can't figure out what some of these morons must be doing to use all that data

hell I have not missed but a game or two this year that I wanted to watch and could not find online and I just watched some other game instead and I have watched more TV online than I should have watched as well along with youtube crap and everything else

And when cable modems first came out people were like "it's always connected AND 256kbps!!!! Wahoooo!!!"

(10-07-2016 04:35 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Kap,

Well, it could be a big problem if Comcast was the only ISP in the community, yes?

But they aren't. Even here in supposed backwards South Carolina I have multiple ISPs I can choose from. Granted, they aren't all the same quality but I have options. If I want more internet than what I currently get/use then I have to pay for it. In other words it works just like everything else in that the more you use the more it costs.

(10-07-2016 05:41 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 12:05 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  So cable providers got into internet markets to control this very thing. Eventually the market will demand separate internet access, with no limits to show cable providers they can't keep raising rates and providing crap setvice, while trying to strongarm the paying public.

I'm a pro business guy, but the cable industry is predatory to their customers and I hope eventually that internet access gets regulated with government oversight, and cable companies can die the death they deserve.

cable got into the internet because they had a big copper cable running to peoples home for the "last mile"

and as for the "regulation" that ring you hear is Ba Bell wondering if you are going to pay your $5 dollar rental fee on your rotary phone this month and if you would like to add their new high tech feature "call waiting" it is really neato


I just checked I used 90 gigs of 1024 so far this month with 4 days left in the billing cycle and the high was 7 gigs used on 9/22 and most of that was downstream

I don't think I could watch more crap on my computer if I tried I can't figure out what some of these morons must be doing to use all that data

hell I have not missed but a game or two this year that I wanted to watch and could not find online and I just watched some other game instead and I have watched more TV online than I should have watched as well along with youtube crap and everything else

Ok cable industry guy....

(10-07-2016 12:05 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  So cable providers got into internet markets to control this very thing. Eventually the market will demand separate internet access, with no limits to show cable providers they can't keep raising rates and providing crap setvice, while trying to strongarm the paying public.

I'm a pro business guy, but the cable industry is predatory to their customers and I hope eventually that internet access gets regulated with government oversight, and cable companies can die the death they deserve.

No business can survive if folks are getting something for nothing. I have no issue with cord-cutters, as long as they are paying for what they should be paying for. If you (not 'you' personally, but anyone) stop buying ESPN, but then 'stream' it some other way for "free" when it is supposed to be paid for, you're just a pirate, no different from people who illegally download MP3s, or movies, etc.

(10-07-2016 11:30 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 05:41 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(10-07-2016 12:05 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  So cable providers got into internet markets to control this very thing. Eventually the market will demand separate internet access, with no limits to show cable providers they can't keep raising rates and providing crap setvice, while trying to strongarm the paying public.

I'm a pro business guy, but the cable industry is predatory to their customers and I hope eventually that internet access gets regulated with government oversight, and cable companies can die the death they deserve.

cable got into the internet because they had a big copper cable running to peoples home for the "last mile"

and as for the "regulation" that ring you hear is Ba Bell wondering if you are going to pay your $5 dollar rental fee on your rotary phone this month and if you would like to add their new high tech feature "call waiting" it is really neato


I just checked I used 90 gigs of 1024 so far this month with 4 days left in the billing cycle and the high was 7 gigs used on 9/22 and most of that was downstream

I don't think I could watch more crap on my computer if I tried I can't figure out what some of these morons must be doing to use all that data

hell I have not missed but a game or two this year that I wanted to watch and could not find online and I just watched some other game instead and I have watched more TV online than I should have watched as well along with youtube crap and everything else

Ok cable industry guy....

how am I a "cable industry guy" I have not had any type of pay TV service in at least 5 years and it might be closer to 7 I can't even remember at this point and the last pay TV I actually had was DishNetwork not even "cable"

and I have had "cable" internet for all of about 9 months and other than that it has been DSL (or UVerse now) with the exception of a year with fixed wireless (that sucked)

plus in many cities especially larger ones and ones in the north and north east cable TV is actually regulated and pretty heavily regulated although sometimes if the regulations are weak or not forward looking the internet portion of that service is outside of what is regulated as far as QoS, but that does not mean that competition came come in

and it is that regulation and the desire by the municipality to collect taxes/fees/R.O.W usage/pole usage fees that has prevented competition from over builders from being able to come into the area because they sold the franchise to one cable company for the money

in most areas it is easier for a CLEC to come in and compete with an ILEC because of the lesser regulations that came about with the break up of Ma Bell than it is for a cable over builder to come in and compete

(10-07-2016 04:35 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Kap,

Well, it could be a big problem if Comcast was the only ISP in the community, yes?

Do you lose sleep over your power companies monopoly? This situation will fall similarly with the establishment of state Public Service Commissioners for internet access.