(10-03-2016 10:03 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  I don't disagree with you, but who is to say what is the right or wrong way to protest?

We all have just as much right to say what is the "right or wrong way to protest" as the protesters have to protest.

Does the constitution protect ECU band member's right to protest during the national anthem? Yes.

Does the constitution also protect my right to criticize them for doing so? Yes.

(10-04-2016 05:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-03-2016 10:03 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  I don't disagree with you, but who is to say what is the right or wrong way to protest?

We all have just as much right to say what is the "right or wrong way to protest" as the protesters have to protest.

Does the constitution protect ECU band member's right to protest during the national anthem? Yes.

Does the constitution also protect my right to criticize them for doing so? Yes.

It is thier job to play the national anthem and they refused. They have freedom of speech but the band director can kick them the hell out for not doing thier one job they are on the field for. It is so simple

(10-04-2016 01:32 PM)Bear Wrote:  I would love for someone to explain:

that politely (through non-participation) kneeling during the anthem is WORSE than someone who

carries around the confederate flag (anti-union symbol for treason and treachery that cost a lot of American lives)?



(Don't forget Ole Miss)

Have you read any of the several threads explaining this? If someone carries around a confederate flag, on their own time then it's their own business. That is free speech.

Speech or action may be constrained, if you willingly accept a job, and agree to abide by the dress code, or perform a service at the appointed hour. That's called responsibility. (FWIW, I don't agree with what the confed flag represents... but hey, unpopular speech is exactly what the 1st Am protects...)

These students were wearing an ECU uniform and were committed to performing a job. Refusing to do that job is not 'free speech', it's violating your agreed to policy and refusing to work. That's why ECU has every right to boot them off the band, and has now indicated future disruptions will not be tolerated. (Took a day though... until the administration saw the backlash. As expected...)

For your analogy to be accurate, the question is... What would happen if I decided to wear the confederate flag to work on my work time, if it violated my work dress code? Answer: I should get fired or somehow reprimanded.

(10-04-2016 05:29 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 05:26 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(10-03-2016 10:03 PM)NTTHOR Wrote:  I don't disagree with you, but who is to say what is the right or wrong way to protest?

We all have just as much right to say what is the "right or wrong way to protest" as the protesters have to protest.

Does the constitution protect ECU band member's right to protest during the national anthem? Yes.

Does the constitution also protect my right to criticize them for doing so? Yes.

It is thier job to play the national anthem and they refused. They have freedom of speech but the band director can kick them the hell out for not doing thier one job they are on the field for. It is so simple

This guy gets how the world works.

(10-04-2016 03:19 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 03:06 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 02:54 PM)Bear Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 02:48 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 02:13 PM)Chappy Wrote:  This has gone too far...

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/espn-fayett.../16082161/

I get that there is a heavy military presence in Fayetteville, but this seems extraordinarily unnecessary given the music department has forbidden the kids from doing this again.

If my Memphis games were to no longer be broadcast on the Tiger Sports Network because of the petulance and dishonor of a dozen or so band members, I'd be pissed too. I'd get it... but I'd be pissed.

angry with who?

blame the networks

At the spoiled brats on the field.

I love this. The kids who VOLUNTEER to be in the marching band are spoiled brats. hahahahahahahaha

Also loved the guy who linked to a breitbart article as proof of his point. hahaha

Seriously flawed point. So what happens if they decide they don't want to wear the uniform? What happens if they don't like the song and want to play a different song? Or in the wrong key? Maybe some just don't feel like practicing on Mondays or Wednesdays? What happens then?

Good lord... is it really hard to understand that these kids AGREED to the conditions of serving in the band? Volunteering or not is utterly irrelevant.

(10-04-2016 08:25 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  They have the right to protest, and we have the right to protest that protest. Those on scholarship who were involved should lose those scholarships. Not be kicked out of school, but loose the free ride.

Band members are not on scholarship.

If you start retaliating against people who have different view points where do you draw the line?

The protest has nothing to do with the military. It's a peaceful protest people who disagree with the direction this country is going and perceived lack of fairness and justice.

Should we fire professors who disagree with state politics?

It's a slippery slope, but the moment we start banning free speech it completely contradicts the mission our brave soldiers risk their lives to defend.

Sadly many ppl have your point of view and just don't really understand what democracy really means.

(10-04-2016 05:48 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 08:25 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  They have the right to protest, and we have the right to protest that protest. Those on scholarship who were involved should lose those scholarships. Not be kicked out of school, but loose the free ride.

Band members are not on scholarship.

If you start retaliating against people who have different view points where do you draw the line?

The protest has nothing to do with the military. It's a peaceful protest people who disagree with the direction this country is going and perceived lack of fairness and justice.

Should we fire professors who disagree with state politics?

It's a slippery slope, but the moment we start banning free speech it completely contradicts the mission our brave soldiers risk their lives to defend.

Sadly many ppl have your point of view and just don't really understand what democracy really means.

They receive compensation from the ******* university that donors give as charity. They are on the field to sing one song that is all. I guess we should let everyone who wants on the field to hold protest on whateve hurt thier feelings that day and just cancel the game? You have no idea about North Carolina politics and the Arron military presence in the area and to you sir


Boooooo

(10-04-2016 05:24 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 03:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 01:32 PM)Bear Wrote:  I would love for someone to explain:

that politely (through non-participation) kneeling during the anthem is WORSE than someone who

carries around the confederate flag (anti-union symbol for treason and treachery that cost a lot of American lives)?



(Don't forget Ole Miss)

LOL. You asked a real question.

Yea because university groups were on the field kneeling and waving the confederate flag. Outsiders don't understand North Carolina has one of the largest military bases and many alums go on to OCS after they graduate. Most military are very proud and will die for you and don't ask for **** but a little respect.

Universities themselves flew that confederate flag. That is far worse than a bunch of kids kneeling.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/us/ole-mis...ed-campus/

Why are people always trying to bootstrap their argument with the military and police? The kneeling doesn't seem to have anything with either. I am former military and I have never felt disrespected by somebody protesting or kneeling or whatever.

(10-04-2016 05:48 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 08:25 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  They have the right to protest, and we have the right to protest that protest. Those on scholarship who were involved should lose those scholarships. Not be kicked out of school, but loose the free ride.

Band members are not on scholarship.

If you start retaliating against people who have different view points where do you draw the line?

The protest has nothing to do with the military. It's a peaceful protest people who disagree with the direction this country is going and perceived lack of fairness and justice.

Should we fire professors who disagree with state politics?

It's a slippery slope, but the moment we start banning free speech it completely contradicts the mission our brave soldiers risk their lives to defend.

Sadly many ppl have your point of view and just don't really understand what democracy really means.

Disagreement doesn't equal a lack of understanding. There are effective forms of protest in suitable environments.

A handful of band students trying to enlighten people by performing what many deem a disrespectul act is polarizing.

Sure they have the right to protest. The democracy gets to determine whether the protest is legitimate and appropriate and act as it sees fit.

That is democracy.

(10-04-2016 06:23 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 05:24 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 03:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 01:32 PM)Bear Wrote:  I would love for someone to explain:

that politely (through non-participation) kneeling during the anthem is WORSE than someone who

carries around the confederate flag (anti-union symbol for treason and treachery that cost a lot of American lives)?



(Don't forget Ole Miss)

LOL. You asked a real question.

Yea because university groups were on the field kneeling and waving the confederate flag. Outsiders don't understand North Carolina has one of the largest military bases and many alums go on to OCS after they graduate. Most military are very proud and will die for you and don't ask for **** but a little respect.

Universities themselves flew that confederate flag. That is far worse than a bunch of kids kneeling.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/us/ole-mis...ed-campus/

Why are people always trying to bootstrap their argument with the military and police? The kneeling doesn't seem to have anything with either. I am former military and I have never felt disrespected by somebody protesting or kneeling or whatever.

We were talking about ECU then you always change the subject. Enlighten me more on how people are more oppressed now than the 60s

They also didn't play not just kneeling that is thier only job and they refuse to do it. What don't you get?

(10-04-2016 06:33 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 06:23 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 05:24 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 03:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 01:32 PM)Bear Wrote:  I would love for someone to explain:

that politely (through non-participation) kneeling during the anthem is WORSE than someone who

carries around the confederate flag (anti-union symbol for treason and treachery that cost a lot of American lives)?



(Don't forget Ole Miss)

LOL. You asked a real question.

Yea because university groups were on the field kneeling and waving the confederate flag. Outsiders don't understand North Carolina has one of the largest military bases and many alums go on to OCS after they graduate. Most military are very proud and will die for you and don't ask for **** but a little respect.

Universities themselves flew that confederate flag. That is far worse than a bunch of kids kneeling.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/us/ole-mis...ed-campus/

Why are people always trying to bootstrap their argument with the military and police? The kneeling doesn't seem to have anything with either. I am former military and I have never felt disrespected by somebody protesting or kneeling or whatever.

We were talking about ECU then you always change the subject. Enlighten me more on how people are more oppressed now than the 60s

They also didn't play not just kneeling that is thier only job and they refuse to do it. What don't you get?

Did you read the post that I quoted? You made a nonsensical post to what the poster asked. Answer what he asked; that is if you can put together a coherent reply.

A more effective means of protest would be if all the band students stood hand in hand with American flags silently for a minute or so to remind the country of its principles.

Or maybe recite part of the constitution/ bill of rights in unison

Some forms of protest are ineffective and counterproductive.

(10-04-2016 02:58 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  How much money and/or time do you devote to helping veterans and their families?

Funny you should ask that. I give to the Disabled American Veterans (DAV) and Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW), just mailed the checks yesterday and a couple of others that I forget right now. And you?

(10-04-2016 03:50 PM)Bear Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 03:32 PM)Starfox207 Wrote:  Am I not excercising my right as an American citizen for booing someone"s said? Am I not free to do that or am I banned from that and free speech is only free if you are a certain demographic?

Are we not exercising our right to criticize you for criticizing your right to disparage a group exercising their right to criticize a system that infringes on the rights of others?

You are and it's good. I wasn't even at the game didn't even know it happened but everyone has these rights people can be patriotic or not or do really anything. But no deaths.

I say let everyone really be free to voice and live their lives so we can put an end to restroom controversies racism and right and wrong police work for a. Righter future

(10-04-2016 06:23 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 05:24 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 03:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 01:32 PM)Bear Wrote:  I would love for someone to explain:

that politely (through non-participation) kneeling during the anthem is WORSE than someone who

carries around the confederate flag (anti-union symbol for treason and treachery that cost a lot of American lives)?



(Don't forget Ole Miss)

LOL. You asked a real question.

Yea because university groups were on the field kneeling and waving the confederate flag. Outsiders don't understand North Carolina has one of the largest military bases and many alums go on to OCS after they graduate. Most military are very proud and will die for you and don't ask for **** but a little respect.

Universities themselves flew that confederate flag. That is far worse than a bunch of kids kneeling.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/us/ole-mis...ed-campus/

Why are people always trying to bootstrap their argument with the military and police? The kneeling doesn't seem to have anything with either. I am former military and I have never felt disrespected by somebody protesting or kneeling or whatever.

Didn't seem to bother laremy tumsil

(10-04-2016 07:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 06:23 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 05:24 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 03:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 01:32 PM)Bear Wrote:  I would love for someone to explain:

that politely (through non-participation) kneeling during the anthem is WORSE than someone who

carries around the confederate flag (anti-union symbol for treason and treachery that cost a lot of American lives)?



(Don't forget Ole Miss)

LOL. You asked a real question.

Yea because university groups were on the field kneeling and waving the confederate flag. Outsiders don't understand North Carolina has one of the largest military bases and many alums go on to OCS after they graduate. Most military are very proud and will die for you and don't ask for **** but a little respect.

Universities themselves flew that confederate flag. That is far worse than a bunch of kids kneeling.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/us/ole-mis...ed-campus/

Why are people always trying to bootstrap their argument with the military and police? The kneeling doesn't seem to have anything with either. I am former military and I have never felt disrespected by somebody protesting or kneeling or whatever.

Didn't seem to bother laremy tumsil

I am pretty sure a tuba player kneeling at the 50 yard line doesn't bother Larmey either.

Btw, do you want to take a stab at answering that poster's question?

(10-04-2016 06:32 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 05:48 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 08:25 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  They have the right to protest, and we have the right to protest that protest. Those on scholarship who were involved should lose those scholarships. Not be kicked out of school, but loose the free ride.

Band members are not on scholarship.

If you start retaliating against people who have different view points where do you draw the line?

The protest has nothing to do with the military. It's a peaceful protest people who disagree with the direction this country is going and perceived lack of fairness and justice.

Should we fire professors who disagree with state politics?

It's a slippery slope, but the moment we start banning free speech it completely contradicts the mission our brave soldiers risk their lives to defend.

Sadly many ppl have your point of view and just don't really understand what democracy really means.

Disagreement doesn't equal a lack of understanding. There are effective forms of protest in suitable environments.

A handful of band students trying to enlighten people by performing what many deem a disrespectul act is polarizing.

Sure they have the right to protest. The democracy gets to determine whether the protest is legitimate and appropriate and act as it sees fit.

That is democracy.

(10-04-2016 07:33 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 07:26 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 06:23 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 05:24 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 03:11 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  LOL. You asked a real question.

Yea because university groups were on the field kneeling and waving the confederate flag. Outsiders don't understand North Carolina has one of the largest military bases and many alums go on to OCS after they graduate. Most military are very proud and will die for you and don't ask for **** but a little respect.

Universities themselves flew that confederate flag. That is far worse than a bunch of kids kneeling.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/26/us/ole-mis...ed-campus/

Why are people always trying to bootstrap their argument with the military and police? The kneeling doesn't seem to have anything with either. I am former military and I have never felt disrespected by somebody protesting or kneeling or whatever.

Didn't seem to bother laremy tumsil

I am pretty sure a tuba player kneeling at the 50 yard line doesn't bother Larmey either.

Btw, do you want to take a stab at answering that poster's question?

Many military families have lost the lives of thier loved ones defending that flag. It is a sign of respect and that is all. I fall into that category and you will never change our mind. We will have to agree to disagree I respect you we just have different political views

(10-04-2016 02:13 PM)Chappy Wrote:  This has gone too far...

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/espn-fayett.../16082161/

I get that there is a heavy military presence in Fayetteville, but this seems extraordinarily unnecessary given the music department has forbidden the kids from doing this again.

Nobody cares about a little local radio station that only a very small audience even listens to. I don't even think it's a FM station. He is only hurting the few people that listen. Does he not even realize is going to be on national tv? SMH!

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(10-04-2016 04:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(10-04-2016 02:58 PM)Tech Savy Wrote:  

(10-03-2016 09:02 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  I'm sorry, but I completely stopped watching the NFL after the Kaepernick debacle. My cousin offered me free tickets to an Eagles game later this year, which I will politely decline.

I refuse to support such disrespect for our heroes of our nation. Protesting wrongs are both welcomed and encouraged but there are better ways to protest, ways that don't hurt the vets who fought and died for our country.

Anyone remember Pat Tillman? How do you think he would feel about what has happened?

I can only hope that the counter protest of this particular action grow faster then the protest themselves.

http://blog.ecu.edu/sites/dailyclips/blo...able-news/

How much money and/or time do you devote to helping veterans and their families?

Only Pat Tillman could answer your question. But I will tell you that my uncle who fought in Vietnam thinks all this outrage is ridiculous by many who don't care about what's happening to vets when they come home. He says he fought for the right of all Americans to choose and that includes standing for the National Anthem.

Spot on. It amazes me how people are saying that the protestors are disrespecting are vets but yet there are so many that are homeless and without jobs. I bet if you asked those same ones who are in an uproar do they donate to the VA or even volunteer their time to help then find jobs they probably couldn't even answer.

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I am a proud veteran and I can tell you that people kneeling during the national anthem has not bothered me the least bit. I care way more about a system that has people struggling to just survive even after serving their country. Medical care struggles, politicians knowing giving polluted water and other things rank so much higher for me.