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RE: Will conference expand to 12 now that it has a CCG game?
Poach Charlotte for their basketball, their location right between App and Coastal, and as a like minded market companion for Ga State....andddd....throw NMSU a 10 year associate membership while Wichita State gets their football program up to snuff. Include a guarantee that if a suitable Eastern school is added in that decade NMSU gets full membership.

All that bolsters regionality, enhances the Olympic sports, stabilizes NMSU's situation, and guarantees a top notch Eastern expansion candidate sometime in the next 10 years.

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RE: Will conference expand to 12 now that it has a CCG game?
(10-02-2016 06:14 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Poach Charlotte for their basketball, their location right between App and Coastal, and as a like minded market companion for Ga State....andddd....throw NMSU a 10 year associate membership while Wichita State gets their football program up to snuff. Include a guarantee that if a suitable Eastern school is added in that decade NMSU gets full membership.

All that bolsters regionality, enhances the Olympic sports, stabilizes NMSU's situation, and guarantees a top notch Eastern expansion candidate sometime in the next 10 years.

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No thanks.
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RE: Will conference expand to 12 now that it has a CCG game?
(10-02-2016 06:27 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(10-02-2016 06:14 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Poach Charlotte for their basketball, their location right between App and Coastal, and as a like minded market companion for Ga State....andddd....throw NMSU a 10 year associate membership while Wichita State gets their football program up to snuff. Include a guarantee that if a suitable Eastern school is added in that decade NMSU gets full membership.

All that bolsters regionality, enhances the Olympic sports, stabilizes NMSU's situation, and guarantees a top notch Eastern expansion candidate sometime in the next 10 years.

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No thanks.

Agreed. No Charlotte.
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RE: Will conference expand to 12 now that it has a CCG game?
(10-02-2016 05:52 PM)airtroop Wrote:  
(10-02-2016 05:14 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  
(10-02-2016 04:48 PM)airtroop Wrote:  
(10-02-2016 04:30 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  With a champ game set with 10 in 2 years I just don t see expansion coming unless CUSA and Sun Belt reorganize

I sure hope we don't reorganize, it benefits CUSA far more than it does the Belt, which has (or will have) a compact footprint and real rivalries. We also are making more CFP money as well.

Those are three things CUSA doesn't have that we do. One is incurable without our help (and sacrifice), one is curable only over many years and the other is curable by next year but highly unlikely due to all the hungry mouths to feed.

Elaborate on the three please.

1. Compact footprint (incurable without our help)
2. Real rivalries (curable only over many years)
3. More CFP $$$ (Curable but not likely)

To be fair it's not like we have a lot of rivalries. From what I can see there are only like 4: Troy-USA, GS-GSU, GS-APP, and ULL-ULM.
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(10-02-2016 06:01 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  
(10-02-2016 04:10 PM)Usajags Wrote:  NMSU for all sports, UTA adds football. Done.

That is what needs to happen. No more FCS call ups unless for some reason we go after Jax St. Who else in our ridiculous footprint would bring what JSU would bring in football???

By ridiculous footprint, I'm counting NMSU and Idaho.

So you don't want to call up an established program like JMU who has the fan support and the budget as well as a history of success in football but want to have a start up?

JMU had an opportunity to join The Belt . . . They rejected it, citing that they were too good to be associated with the schools in our conference, and that they were waiting by the phone for a call from CUSA. . . Last I checked, they're still sitting by the phone . . . Praying that it'll ring . . . hoping for it to ring . . . crickets . .
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RE: Will conference expand to 12 now that it has a CCG game?
(10-02-2016 06:49 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(10-02-2016 05:52 PM)airtroop Wrote:  
(10-02-2016 05:14 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  
(10-02-2016 04:48 PM)airtroop Wrote:  
(10-02-2016 04:30 PM)GaSoEagle Wrote:  With a champ game set with 10 in 2 years I just don t see expansion coming unless CUSA and Sun Belt reorganize

I sure hope we don't reorganize, it benefits CUSA far more than it does the Belt, which has (or will have) a compact footprint and real rivalries. We also are making more CFP money as well.

Those are three things CUSA doesn't have that we do. One is incurable without our help (and sacrifice), one is curable only over many years and the other is curable by next year but highly unlikely due to all the hungry mouths to feed.

Elaborate on the three please.

1. Compact footprint (incurable without our help)
2. Real rivalries (curable only over many years)
3. More CFP $$$ (Curable but not likely)

To be fair it's not like we have a lot of rivalries. From what I can see there are only like 4: Troy-USA, GS-GSU, GS-APP, and ULL-ULM.

That's only. Instate. But I see where he is going. ASTATE vs ULL, app vs GS , GSU vs USA ( too a small degree anyways they are the team we have played the most and I'm sure when we lose to each other it leaves a bad taste) I'm sure Troy vs GS will be interesting most years as well. But seems we do have some interesting matchups most of the time and a lot of competiveness. The only team that could possibly complain would be TXST. But they make the most of it.
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RE: Will conference expand to 12 now that it has a CCG game?
Fine with 10. Screw the ones that bailed and the one (JMWho) that thought they were too good for us. Plus dividing the money is much easier for Karl with 10 instead of 12.
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RE: Will conference expand to 12 now that it has a CCG game?
(10-02-2016 06:14 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Poach Charlotte for their basketball, their location right between App and Coastal, and as a like minded market companion for Ga State....andddd....throw NMSU a 10 year associate membership while Wichita State gets their football program up to snuff. Include a guarantee that if a suitable Eastern school is added in that decade NMSU gets full membership.

All that bolsters regionality, enhances the Olympic sports, stabilizes NMSU's situation, and guarantees a top notch Eastern expansion candidate sometime in the next 10 years.

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Poach Charlotte for what? My other alma mater is in the A-10. Charlotte couldn't compete in the A-10. Not just with the top of the conference, but with the bottom of it too. They hung out with Fordham and Duquesne, not Xavier and Temple. 10 years of bad basketball and mouthy fans. They couldn't manage even 1 NCAA bid in a league that sends 4 teams on average each year. And since they returned to a CUSA that is a shell of its' former basketball self....a losing conference record every year. UNCC hasn't been good or even middling...in a very long time. Their basketball would be midrange (at best) in the Sun Belt. And their football is bad.

NMSU? I supported adding them as an all sport member. But that ship has sailed.

The league got you a travel partner. Coastal will be joining next year in football and is already competing in Olympic sports. And their basketball is better than UNCC's
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RE: Will conference expand to 12 now that it has a CCG game?
With playing 8 conference games, I think it will be OK with 10 teams. It's not ideal and 12 does work better. 12 would also get a less chance of having a rematch in the CCG.

As for the divisions for 10 teams I guess the only way to go would be
West: Tx St, ULM, ULL, Ark. St, USA
East: CC, App, GaSo, GSU, Troy
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(10-03-2016 05:12 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  With playing 8 conference games, I think it will be OK with 10 teams. It's not ideal and 12 does work better. 12 would also get a less chance of having a rematch in the CCG.

As for the divisions for 10 teams I guess the only way to go would be
West: Tx St, ULM, ULL, Ark. St, USA
East: CC, App, GaSo, GSU, Troy

That would make me very happy. 4 in division every year, 2 x div rivals 2 rotating.

Permanent rivals:

USA - Troy, Ga State
Ark State-App, Troy
Troy - USA, Ark State
ULL- Ga Southern, Coastal
App - Ark State, ULM
Texas State - Coastal, Ga Southern
Ga Southern - Texas State, ULL
ULM - App, Ga State
Coastal - ULL, Texas State
Ga State - ULM, USA
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(10-02-2016 07:31 PM)trapdrawApp Wrote:  Fine with 10. Screw the ones that bailed and the one (JMWho) that thought they were too good for us. Plus dividing the money is much easier for Karl with 10 instead of 12.

Didn't you hear? Karl actually has 12 fingers so the math would be easier for him...
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(10-02-2016 06:14 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Poach Charlotte for their basketball, their location right between App and Coastal, and as a like minded market companion for Ga State....andddd....throw NMSU a 10 year associate membership while Wichita State gets their football program up to snuff. Include a guarantee that if a suitable Eastern school is added in that decade NMSU gets full membership.

All that bolsters regionality, enhances the Olympic sports, stabilizes NMSU's situation, and guarantees a top notch Eastern expansion candidate sometime in the next 10 years.

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I could see a team on each side to get ot 12. App and TXST are still on islands with the closest football team a good distance away.
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Stay at 10 unless we can pull 2 from CUSA that are actually worth pulling(Marshall and USM). The only FCS teams worth their weight in our footprint currently are JSU and JMU. EKU and Missouri State are both projects that could and probably would open us up to CUSAs situation. If the west wanted it bad enough, could see an invite for NMSU in the future.
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(10-02-2016 02:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  If Missouri State and JMU asked to join....maybe. If WKU and MTSU asked to return, sure. Otherwise, I think we're good at 10 teams

Why not offer Wichita State and Missouri State spots in the SBC with the option to upgrade to FBS at a later date?

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To answer the thread question, no. There CFP payout is $10 million for a max a ten teams, or $1 mil per. Adding two, unless they add value to SBC in making it a top tier conference, just means a smaller take for all teams.
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(10-03-2016 05:43 PM)EagleNationRising Wrote:  Stay at 10 unless we can pull 2 from CUSA that are actually worth pulling(Marshall and USM). The only FCS teams worth their weight in our footprint currently are JSU and JMU. EKU and Missouri State are both projects that could and probably would open us up to CUSAs situation. If the west wanted it bad enough, could see an invite for NMSU in the future.

Uh, I think we're done taking FCS teams unless we somehow get raided. Big XII sits on realignment (and I think they do - for a variety of reason) and the door is shut.
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(10-02-2016 07:31 PM)trapdrawApp Wrote:  Fine with 10. Screw the ones that bailed and the one (JMWho) that thought they were too good for us. Plus dividing the money is much easier for Karl with 10 instead of 12.

Didn't you hear? Karl actually has 12 fingers so the math would be easier for him...

Guess he has his golf gloves custom made.
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I would be in favor of playing 7 conference games a year. I know that would put a lot of pressure on the ADs to produce one extra game a year. But if we are going to change the perception the best way is to play more OOC teams. Plus we could set up a MAC-Sun Belt Saturday or week. That would be fun to see where we stack up in games like those. I'm pretty sure ESPN would put a game on Wednesday and Thursday if we did something like that.
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(10-04-2016 01:18 AM)SouthJags2012 Wrote:  I would be in favor of playing 7 conference games a year. I know that would put a lot of pressure on the ADs to produce one extra game a year. But if we are going to change the perception the best way is to play more OOC teams (and WIN THEM!!!). Plus we could set up a MAC-Sun Belt Saturday or week. That would be fun to see where we stack up in games like those. I'm pretty sure ESPN would put a game on Wednesday and Thursday if we did something like that.

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(10-03-2016 07:20 PM)trapdrawApp Wrote:  
(10-03-2016 05:35 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  
(10-02-2016 07:31 PM)trapdrawApp Wrote:  Fine with 10. Screw the ones that bailed and the one (JMWho) that thought they were too good for us. Plus dividing the money is much easier for Karl with 10 instead of 12.

Didn't you hear? Karl actually has 12 fingers so the math would be easier for him...

Guess he has his golf gloves custom made.

I won't sell him short; he might be very skilled with a sewing machine.
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