(09-20-2016 09:38 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 07:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  New SWC--

UNT
Rice
UTSA
Tx St
Ark St
LaTech
ULL
ULM
S Miss
UAB
S Alabama
Troy

CUSA

Georgia S
Georgia St
FIU
FAU
Marshall
MTSU
WKU
App St
ODU
Charlotte
CCU
JMU

UTEP goes to the MW. Tight footprints for each. Plenty of rivalries.

Can we throw away FIU and FAU and replace them with Troy and USA?

No, but we'll sell you a slightly used UNT at half price.

I hope something to this nature comes to fruition eventually. It might take another 5 years or so but it would be cool to have a true east west type of deal between these teams. Sun Belt (West) vs CUSA (East). But I do like where we stand as the SBC. Just wish we had a team in Mississippi but that's just being picky.

(09-20-2016 04:23 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  This is such bullcarp.

All G5 schools?

I guarantee you that the MWC and the AAC will NEVER have anything to do with this.

Then, a mass migration of the entire lineups of the remaining 3 conferences has ZERO chance of happening.

The MAC is already regional.

The SBC is going to be regional enough.

It is CUSA, like I have said for years, that is the one destined for the split.

It is more likely to be the western CUSA schools that throw in the towel soon and create a new league. They aren't going to join the SBC. Dream on.

They will make a league and invite who they want. Then, the rest of CUSA will add who they want from the SBC.

A few might not make it, but this gets regionality done in a realistic way.

Not to say it won't happen this way, but forming a completely new conference is not an easy thing to do. Bowl tie-ins, basketball credits, TV contracts, and many other factors would all have to be resolved in the scenario you describe.

That being said, I think that most CUSA schools think that something is going to give. Since markets don't mean squat with TV contracts any more, regional rivalries become much more important. Regional realignment will happen in one form or another, and that should scare the heck out of a few schools. They could find themselves in the same situation that Idaho and NMSU did when the WAC disintegrated.

(09-20-2016 04:23 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  This is such bullcarp.

All G5 schools?

I guarantee you that the MWC and the AAC will NEVER have anything to do with this.

Then, a mass migration of the entire lineups of the remaining 3 conferences has ZERO chance of happening.

The MAC is already regional.

The SBC is going to be regional enough.

It is CUSA, like I have said for years, that is the one destined for the split.

It is more likely to be the western CUSA schools that throw in the towel soon and create a new league. They aren't going to join the SBC. Dream on.

They will make a league and invite who they want. Then, the rest of CUSA will add who they want from the SBC.

A few might not make it, but this gets regionality done in a realistic way.

Why would SBC teams bolt for a conference that is disintegrating? Lets just say that CUSA west breaks away and gets the Cajuns and TxSt (just examples) to join. Why would the remaining SBC schools split up to join the CUSA east? More likely the remaining teams in CUSA are hoping for a SBC invite and some are left go the way of NMSU and Idaho.

(09-21-2016 03:55 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Not to say it won't happen this way, but forming a completely new conference is not an easy thing to do. Bowl tie-ins, basketball credits, TV contracts, and many other factors would all have to be resolved in the scenario you describe....

All you need is 6 schools that have been together for at least 5 years to retain an autobid. The rest is easy.

(09-21-2016 09:33 AM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  

(09-21-2016 03:55 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  Not to say it won't happen this way, but forming a completely new conference is not an easy thing to do. Bowl tie-ins, basketball credits, TV contracts, and many other factors would all have to be resolved in the scenario you describe....

All you need is 6 schools that have been together for at least 5 years to retain an autobid. The rest is easy.

The CFP contract makes it more difficult than it was

(09-21-2016 03:55 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  That being said, I think that most CUSA schools think that something is going to give. Since markets don't mean squat with TV contracts any more, regional rivalries become much more important.

Got news...TV contracts haven't meant diddly to SBC schools ever.

SBC contract going from 'Nuttin' to 'Still Nuttin' isn't really a reason to flip out and pay exit/entrance fees try to form a bus league with FIU and UNT.

I realize CUSA schools may be freaking out....solely because they had unrealistic expectations....but that means little in terms of SBC's situation.

We have a fun competitive improving league. CUSA's tv troubles are no reason to sacrifice ourselves to a raiding party.

http://www.espn950am.com/audio-vault/#

link is under the "sports huddle with bob black"....go to about the 48 minute mark to listen to Selig's thoughts on regionalization.

(09-21-2016 10:53 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  http://www.espn950am.com/audio-vault/#

link is under the "sports huddle with bob black"....go to about the 48 minute mark to listen to Selig's thoughts on regionalization.

Eastern Athletic Conference

South: (Florida, Georgia, Alabama)
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Troy
UAB

North: (Tennessee, North & South Carolina, Virginia)
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Old Dominion
James Madison
MTSU

*I left out Marshall, because they seem like a likely candidate for the AAC eventually.
*I'd think WKU would be a good fit for the MAC
* If a larger conference is desired, say 14 programs, UMass, and Liberty, shifting Coastal to the South Division.

(09-21-2016 10:53 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  http://www.espn950am.com/audio-vault/#

link is under the "sports huddle with bob black"....go to about the 48 minute mark to listen to Selig's thoughts on regionalization.

Thanks for sharing. He sounded a little too high on Liberty for my comfort.

(09-19-2016 12:03 PM)moehler Wrote:  I think, at the moment both App and GS are happy being in the SBC, but the writing is on the wall, the G5 conferences aren't going to make their money on a tv deal, instead, the thinking is, we got to go old school, make our money on close rivals filling our stadiums, and save money on travel costs. I don't think it will happen anytime soon, but got to believe their already holding informal talks.

Amen. This is what I have been preaching all along. Outside of Mississippi State and other in-state schools, the biggest visiting fan bases that we have hosted have been UL-L and Troy. Hell, we were in a monsoon the other night with a delayed start time and those damn Troy fans (many of whom were senior citizens) sat in the rain and cheered their team to victory.

The writing is on the wall. Once all TV contracts are negotiated, we will ALL be in the same boat. Essentially, we already are. 200K for TV is crap. That is negated by one sell-out crowd due to playing a regional rival. Our non-conference scheduling is indicative that we want to play in MS, LA, AL, for as many games as possible.

I am under no delusions. C-USA no longer has financial or on-field separation from the Sunbelt. Let's do ourselves a favor and do something similar to this:

Western-based
Texas State
Rice
North Texas
UTSA
UTEP
Arkansas State
Louisiana Tech
UL-L
UL-M
South Alabama
Southern Miss
UAB

Eastern-based
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida International
Florida Atlantic
ODU
Charlotte
Appy State
Western Kentucky
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
Coastal Carolina

I feel that some of the teams in this group would be heading to the MWC and maybe some to the AAC. This would make for two roughly 10-team conferences. If you miss your rivalries with one or two teams (we, for example, would hate to lose Marshall... but nobody else) you can schedule them home/home.

Both of these hypothetical leagues would be just as good as what we have now competitively and we would have much bigger home crowds and much better local interest in the games. That, my friends, is what makes college football great. I personally would rather play USA than Charlotte, not because Charlotte is a bad school, but I don't know a damn soul who went to school there. Southern Miss vs. South Alabama means that I get to rib the USA alumni that I work with all week. That is what makes rivalries.

Do you know what other evidence there is that this kind of talk is happening behind the scenes? Well, Southern Miss, for example, has played or is scheduled to play every team in their hypothetical grouping above in recent or upcoming years. Do you think that it is a coincidence that we are doing home/homes with schools that we would have never considered doing so with just a few short years ago? It is a sign of things to come. It is the new reality.

Swallow your pride everybody. This is what is best for G5 teams. Butts in seats on Saturday is better than Tuesday and Friday night TV games, especially when you are not getting paid for them. ESPN 3 would happily "televise" our Saturday games. The atmosphere would be better, as would the bottom lines due to ticket sales and reduced travel costs.

(09-20-2016 07:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  New SWC--

UNT
Rice
UTSA
Tx St
Ark St
LaTech
ULL
ULM
S Miss
UAB
S Alabama
Troy

CUSA

Georgia S
Georgia St
FIU
FAU
Marshall
MTSU
WKU
App Stct
ODU
Charlotte
CCU
JMU

UTEP goes to the MW. Tight footprints for each. Plenty of rivalries.

When looking at a projection such as this new conference, why would anyone throw ULM into the mix. They are a struggling school and will remain so. Don't want to be mean but they should be back in the
SLC. Best for them and the SBC.

(09-21-2016 10:19 PM)born in the burg Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 12:03 PM)moehler Wrote:  I think, at the moment both App and GS are happy being in the SBC, but the writing is on the wall, the G5 conferences aren't going to make their money on a tv deal, instead, the thinking is, we got to go old school, make our money on close rivals filling our stadiums, and save money on travel costs. I don't think it will happen anytime soon, but got to believe their already holding informal talks.

Amen. This is what I have been preaching all along. Outside of Mississippi State and other in-state schools, the biggest visiting fan bases that we have hosted have been UL-L and Troy. Hell, we were in a monsoon the other night with a delayed start time and those damn Troy fans (many of whom were senior citizens) sat in the rain and cheered their team to victory.

The writing is on the wall. Once all TV contracts are negotiated, we will ALL be in the same boat. Essentially, we already are. 200K for TV is crap. That is negated by one sell-out crowd due to playing a regional rival. Our non-conference scheduling is indicative that we want to play in MS, LA, AL, for as many games as possible.

I am under no delusions. C-USA no longer has financial or on-field separation from the Sunbelt. Let's do ourselves a favor and do something similar to this:

Western-based
Texas State
Rice
North Texas
UTSA
UTEP
Arkansas State
Louisiana Tech
UL-L
UL-M
South Alabama
Southern Miss
UAB

Eastern-based
Georgia State
Georgia Southern
Florida International
Florida Atlantic
ODU
Charlotte
Appy State
Western Kentucky
Marshall
Middle Tennessee
Coastal Carolina

I feel that some of the teams in this group would be heading to the MWC and maybe some to the AAC. This would make for two roughly 10-team conferences. If you miss your rivalries with one or two teams (we, for example, would hate to lose Marshall... but nobody else) you can schedule them home/home.

Both of these hypothetical leagues would be just as good as what we have now competitively and we would have much bigger home crowds and much better local interest in the games. That, my friends, is what makes college football great. I personally would rather play USA than Charlotte, not because Charlotte is a bad school, but I don't know a damn soul who went to school there. Southern Miss vs. South Alabama means that I get to rib the USA alumni that I work with all week. That is what makes rivalries.

Do you know what other evidence there is that this kind of talk is happening behind the scenes? Well, Southern Miss, for example, has played or is scheduled to play every team in their hypothetical grouping above in recent or upcoming years. Do you think that it is a coincidence that we are doing home/homes with schools that we would have never considered doing so with just a few short years ago? It is a sign of things to come. It is the new reality.

Swallow your pride everybody. This is what is best for G5 teams. Butts in seats on Saturday is better than Tuesday and Friday night TV games, especially when you are not getting paid for them. ESPN 3 would happily "televise" our Saturday games. The atmosphere would be better, as would the bottom lines due to ticket sales and reduced travel costs.

stop it, your making too much sense. I doubt you will find an administration at any G5 school that would disagree with what you said, it comes down to logistical questions, what do you do with exit fees? existing TV contracts etc? Its going to take a lot of work to get this done, and someone has to take the first step, and put themselves out there. I think right now, everyone is being cautious, and keeping their cards close to the vest, but, as the gap between revenue and costs continue to widen, eventually, someone is going to take the leap, and try to force the issue.

(09-22-2016 05:24 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 07:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  New SWC--

UNT
Rice
UTSA
Tx St
Ark St
LaTech
ULL
ULM
S Miss
UAB
S Alabama
Troy

CUSA

Georgia S
Georgia St
FIU
FAU
Marshall
MTSU
WKU
App Stct
ODU
Charlotte
CCU
JMU

UTEP goes to the MW. Tight footprints for each. Plenty of rivalries.

When looking at a projection such as this new conference, why would anyone throw ULM into the mix. They are a struggling school and will remain so. Don't want to be mean but they should be back in the
SLC. Best for them and the SBC.

If we have to keep FIU and UNCC, they have to keep ULM. It's only fair,

"Previously on Crazy Realignment DIY..."

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(09-20-2016 09:47 PM)CatMom Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 09:38 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 07:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  New SWC--

UNT
Rice
UTSA
Tx St
Ark St
LaTech
ULL
ULM
S Miss
UAB
S Alabama
Troy

CUSA

Georgia S
Georgia St
FIU
FAU
Marshall
MTSU
WKU
App St
ODU
Charlotte
CCU
JMU

UTEP goes to the MW. Tight footprints for each. Plenty of rivalries.

Can we throw away FIU and FAU and replace them with Troy and USA?

No!

Cat Mom rejected

We now return you to your 2016 season already in progress...

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(09-22-2016 05:24 AM)Florida RedWolf Wrote:  

(09-20-2016 07:02 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  New SWC--

UNT
Rice
UTSA
Tx St
Ark St
LaTech
ULL
ULM
S Miss
UAB
S Alabama
Troy

CUSA

Georgia S
Georgia St
FIU
FAU
Marshall
MTSU
WKU
App Stct
ODU
Charlotte
CCU
JMU

UTEP goes to the MW. Tight footprints for each. Plenty of rivalries.

When looking at a projection such as this new conference, why would anyone throw ULM into the mix. They are a struggling school and will remain so. Don't want to be mean but they should be back in the
SLC. Best for them and the SBC.

Two notes---

1) I made no judgments about the "worthiness" of anyone. I simply took the two conferences and divided everyone based on geography. I threw out UTEP simply because their location is an outlier for every other team in CUSA and the SB.


2) You really cant start a new conference---and probably shouldn't. The easiest and the most viable way to go is to simply reorganize within the framework of the two existing conferences. That way you are both still part of the signed CFP agreement and you don't have to worry about qualifying for NCAA auto-bids. That method requires cooperation because you will need the votes to waive all entry and exit fees from both conferences. Thus, the only way that level of cooperation can be attained is if EVERYONE is guaranteed a landing spot when the reorganization is complete. So I didn't leave anyone out except UTEP (assuming they get a MW invite). If they don't get a MW invite, you'd have to make room for UTEP in the "SWC" (likely eliminating the need to elevate JMU).

(09-21-2016 03:46 PM)DawggoneEagle Wrote:  

(09-21-2016 10:53 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  http://www.espn950am.com/audio-vault/#

link is under the "sports huddle with bob black"....go to about the 48 minute mark to listen to Selig's thoughts on regionalization.

Eastern Athletic Conference

South: (Florida, Georgia, Alabama)
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Georgia Southern
Georgia State
Troy
UAB

North: (Tennessee, North & South Carolina, Virginia)
Coastal Carolina
Appalachian State
Charlotte
Old Dominion
James Madison
MTSU

*I left out Marshall, because they seem like a likely candidate for the AAC eventually.
*I'd think WKU would be a good fit for the MAC
* If a larger conference is desired, say 14 programs, UMass, and Liberty, shifting Coastal to the South Division.

ESPN950 is nothing but a shill for VT and the CAA. Those hosts on that station don't like that there is now a third FBS team in VA (even though their FM side carries ODU games in RVA). The main afternoon host (not the guy at the link) is a Delaware alum and (like all Delaware fans) often carries on about how the G5 is just more expensive but no better then the FCSand ODU made a mistake by leaving JMU and the CAA. Or get ODU and JMU back together anyway possible.

He and the morning guy also use the term "Appy State" so what do they know?

That all being said, I thought their talk at the link contrasting ODU and VCU was rather interesting.

(09-21-2016 08:24 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-21-2016 10:53 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  http://www.espn950am.com/audio-vault/#

link is under the "sports huddle with bob black"....go to about the 48 minute mark to listen to Selig's thoughts on regionalization.

Thanks for sharing. He sounded a little too high on Liberty for my comfort.

I thought so too, but maybe there is something there.

Falwell claims that Liberty may be FBS in months.
http://www.wdbj7.com/content/news/Falwel...68091.html

Could we sticky a post on here where everyone puts their own, ideal G5 conference setups? Then we could just edit them as we change our minds and refer folks to that post whenever realignment discussions come up.