(09-19-2016 03:44 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:25 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:13 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:06 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 12:03 PM)moehler Wrote:  I think, at the moment both App and GS are happy being in the SBC, but the writing is on the wall, the G5 conferences aren't going to make their money on a tv deal, instead, the thinking is, we got to go old school, make our money on close rivals filling our stadiums, and save money on travel costs. I don't think it will happen anytime soon, but got to believe their already holding informal talks.

This is the best bang for the buck. Having full stadium brings more $$ than any TV contract. If that means playing in a regional conference then by means that is going to be the best way for this to happen.

Wondering why all these G5 schools are building new stadiums and renovating the current ones? It is to bring more people to the stadium and to also have a big ticket suites.

There ain't nobody in either CUSA or SBC that is so interesting that they will boost our attendance that much. Love you all...but its true.

We might save a few dollars in gas money to go play UNT...but we have to go play UNT instead of Georgia Southern which is worth splurging on a few extra gallons of ethyl for IMO.

The difference between the number of visiting fans UNT will bring over App due to mileage....not enough to worry over....if any.

I'm still not seeing the appeal.

Agreed.

Yup.

They act like they gonna get rich off ODU and Marshall fans driving up there.

(09-19-2016 03:44 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 02:02 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 02:00 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 01:31 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Jeez, we have years of instability, and then just as its settling down, we volunteer for more instability.

Can we just play football and try to grow a conference for a few years?

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That's the reality of two football conferences spread out over three time zones.

Idaho and NMSU are going away. Is tgere some gigantic advantage to being in the same time zone?

Once the TV money has dried up and you need to sell tickets to support the program it becomes a huge advantage. I think you agree it is far more likely we get more paying customers from Marshall, Charlotte, WKU & MTSU than we will A State, ULL, ULM & Texas Sate. It's all about increasing the Benjamins!

Oh yeah, you are going to be rolling in the money when the MTSU fans fill your stadium.

People acting like when tv money goes away the SBC going to be hurting for travel money.....

What tv money? Near as I can tell it can't go away because it never came!

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I don t have a link. I have personally heard our AD Tom Kleinlein talk about this to a group of boosters ans I understand App s AD talked of it in the pre game show for the Apo-Miami game

(09-19-2016 04:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:44 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:25 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:13 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:06 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  This is the best bang for the buck. Having full stadium brings more $$ than any TV contract. If that means playing in a regional conference then by means that is going to be the best way for this to happen.

Wondering why all these G5 schools are building new stadiums and renovating the current ones? It is to bring more people to the stadium and to also have a big ticket suites.

There ain't nobody in either CUSA or SBC that is so interesting that they will boost our attendance that much. Love you all...but its true.

We might save a few dollars in gas money to go play UNT...but we have to go play UNT instead of Georgia Southern which is worth splurging on a few extra gallons of ethyl for IMO.

The difference between the number of visiting fans UNT will bring over App due to mileage....not enough to worry over....if any.

I'm still not seeing the appeal.

Agreed.

Yup.

They act like they gonna get rich off ODU and Marshall fans driving up there.

I can see it from an App fans point of view or TxSt. They're both pretty isolated. ODU is too to a degree but merging with the Sun Belt won't help us at all. Unless we can move to the AAC with ECU, Temple and Navy our geography is about as good as it'll get for FBS. I'd be OK being with the GA schools and Coastal and App but on the other hand I want to keep UAB, LaTech and USM. Might as well stay how it is.

I'm sure there's some travel savings to be had. And beyond just visiting fans, familiarity will bring more of you're own fans. So even though there might not be that many fans coming from Marshall, more App fans will come out.

So I can see the point, I'm just not sold on the need myself.

I think its nuts even to discuss it while conference realignment above is unsettled. You could end up forming a regional conference that gets devastated by AAC/MWC raids due to Big 12 expansion or collapse.

(09-19-2016 04:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:44 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:25 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:13 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:06 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  This is the best bang for the buck. Having full stadium brings more $$ than any TV contract. If that means playing in a regional conference then by means that is going to be the best way for this to happen.

Wondering why all these G5 schools are building new stadiums and renovating the current ones? It is to bring more people to the stadium and to also have a big ticket suites.

There ain't nobody in either CUSA or SBC that is so interesting that they will boost our attendance that much. Love you all...but its true.

We might save a few dollars in gas money to go play UNT...but we have to go play UNT instead of Georgia Southern which is worth splurging on a few extra gallons of ethyl for IMO.

The difference between the number of visiting fans UNT will bring over App due to mileage....not enough to worry over....if any.

I'm still not seeing the appeal.

Agreed.

Yup.

They act like they gonna get rich off ODU and Marshall fans driving up there.

Nice job of exageration. We won't get rich, but we'll make a lot than we did off the 35 AState fans who showed up last year.

(09-19-2016 06:38 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 04:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:44 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:25 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:13 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  There ain't nobody in either CUSA or SBC that is so interesting that they will boost our attendance that much. Love you all...but its true.

We might save a few dollars in gas money to go play UNT...but we have to go play UNT instead of Georgia Southern which is worth splurging on a few extra gallons of ethyl for IMO.

The difference between the number of visiting fans UNT will bring over App due to mileage....not enough to worry over....if any.

I'm still not seeing the appeal.

Agreed.

Yup.

They act like they gonna get rich off ODU and Marshall fans driving up there.

Nice job of exageration. We won't get rich, but we'll make a lot than we did off the 35 AState fans who showed up last year.

Now who's exaggerating? I heard those 35 StAte Fans had Deep Deep Pockets . .

(09-19-2016 04:20 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 02:08 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  What is going to happens in the next 3-5 years will be to top 30-40 G5 programs based off of media value not market will form a scheduling alliance and package themselves to one or more media carriers. They will then split the revenue amongst themselves. Basically trimming FBS football again to get numbers down to just shy of 100. If you don't make the cut then you will essentially starve as an FBS program and be relegated back to FCS status.

Not that it couldn't happen, but the obstacles to this scenario seem huge. It would basically come down to the G5s who are forming the alliance trying to set themselves apart from the schools they feel are holding them back in the media. For most of those schools, that will involve giving up on good relationships with a number of members of their own conference (with a lot of uncertainty hanging in the balance), which is a really big step to take.

The only schools that don't have to take this risk are in the AAC (which is short on weak links), and they've already packaged themselves together, so they have nothing to gain. Honestly, it seems like the only presidents who would really be up for this are from a few schools in the Belt and CUSA (and maybe the MAC) who are really unhappy with the conference where they've landed.

It's is being talked about by several schools from several conferences. You think all this chatter about regional alignment is about merging or divvying up conferences is about travel cost? The AAC and MWC plus the next 15-20 most media valuable programs will come to an agreement and siphon up the leftover $$$ for the P5 and close the gap on the P5 and widen the gap between the bottom G5 programs. Which will in turn force them back to FCS.

(09-19-2016 06:14 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  I think its nuts even to discuss it while conference realignment above is unsettled. You could end up forming a regional conference that gets devastated by AAC/MWC raids due to Big 12 expansion or collapse.

I think that would be the plan if one or more bottom G5 conferences get decimated from realignment. None of this would happen until to P5 make their moves. Afterwards, what's left will reorganize based on regions.

However, if the goal is to increase chances for fans to travel to your stadium, wouldn't you need to do more than just reorganize geographically? A core group of schools interested in making a new conference should go after other schools that are not only close by but also known for large, interested fan bases who travel. For example, if GS and App are trying to start a new conference, they should snag WKU and Marshall over ODU and FAU because even though ODU and FAU are somewhat closer, Marshall and WKU have fan bases who are better travelers. If you need to add a school that is not known for traveling, you would at least need to make sure that those schools are in exciting cities for your fan base to visit. So GS and App would snag Ga State, Coastal, and USA. After that, add schools based on rivalries that will increase fan interest aka Troy for USA, ODU for App and GS, MTSU for GS, etc.

The goal would be to try to cater to your schools fan base and create interesting match ups and renew rivalries. Fan interest = increased travel = more money and better atmospheres = more tv money= more exposure = more fan interest

(09-19-2016 06:38 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 04:24 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:44 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:25 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 03:13 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  There ain't nobody in either CUSA or SBC that is so interesting that they will boost our attendance that much. Love you all...but its true.

We might save a few dollars in gas money to go play UNT...but we have to go play UNT instead of Georgia Southern which is worth splurging on a few extra gallons of ethyl for IMO.

The difference between the number of visiting fans UNT will bring over App due to mileage....not enough to worry over....if any.

I'm still not seeing the appeal.

Agreed.

Yup.

They act like they gonna get rich off ODU and Marshall fans driving up there.

Nice job of exageration. We won't get rich, but we'll make a lot than we did off the 35 AState fans who showed up last year.

You'd probably make a lot off visitors by playing Charlotte, UT-Chatt, Western Carolina, etc. if more visitors and daving travel costs is your end goal.

(09-19-2016 12:57 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I also feel strongly you could assemble a football conference from both leagues that could be closer to the Mountain West and AAC than any of the current SBC, CUSA, and MAC.

See, therein lies the dilemma. Some say "realign purely based on geography" which is great until you're the good school getting stuck with the crappy school. Some say "pick and choose the best of the best" but somebody's got to come in last (example, Kentucky who would probably be good enough to compete well in the ACC but they're woeful in the tougher SEC). Then what of the programs not selected for that all star league. They realign and limp on or start dropping back to FCS or lose football all together.

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(09-19-2016 05:12 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  I'm sure there's some travel savings to be had. And beyond just visiting fans, familiarity will bring more of your own fans.

PS you're never going to form familiarity with your opponents when you're constantly shuffling them.

There's a word for that, it's called tinkering.


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(09-19-2016 09:26 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 12:57 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  I also feel strongly you could assemble a football conference from both leagues that could be closer to the Mountain West and AAC than any of the current SBC, CUSA, and MAC.

See, therein lies the dilemma. Some say "realign purely based on geography" which is great until you're the good school getting stuck with the crappy school. Some say "pick and choose the best of the best" but somebody's got to come in last (example, Kentucky who would probably be good enough to compete well in the ACC). Then what of the programs not selected for that all star league. They realign and limp on or start dropping back to FCS or lose football all together.

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It's all in how fans look at it. Let's say that we went straight-up geographically. I wouldn't look at things as trading out Arkansas State and ULL (the two most successful programs among the westernmost five teams in the league) for Charlotte & FIU. It would be a trade of those schools for Marshall & MTSU. Some of the weaker teams in C-USA & the SBC would wind up in the all-Central Time Zone conference (plus maybe UTEP and NMSU); other weaker teams would end up in the east.

I think, by and large, this would have to be as much for non-revenue sports as it would for football. It's just silly that women's volleyball has Marshall in the same league with UTEP but not with App State while Coastal is in the same league with Texas State but not Charlotte.

That said, I have no problem with the SBC as it is. I don't see App as "above" any other school in the league for football or otherwise. Of course, I hope all the schools (App included) would win some more non-conference games and get more fans out to the games. It's been better than last year, but I want us as a league to gain more and more respect in the college football world.

The Sun Belt is already regional with the new lineup and we all have too much in common to disregard. We're making progress fine as it is. My only concern mucking everything up is CUSA Florida and Atlanta. If they get their way we likely are pushed to join them in some crap arrangement. CrAppy we'll be dragging your ***** with us.

West

stAte
ULM
Louisiana
USM
UAB
MTSU

East

TROY
USA
WKU
Ga. St.
Ga. Southern
App. St.
Coastal

This would be my line up and some great rivalries in the mix. I read the other day on USM forum they wished that it was more regional and less market since that is working so well for CUSA.

(09-19-2016 10:03 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  The Sun Belt is already regional with the new lineup and we all have too much in common to disregard. We're making progress fine as it is. My only concern mucking everything up is CUSA Florida and Atlanta. If they get their way we likely are pushed to join them in some crap arrangement. CrAppy we'll be dragging your ***** with us.

If 4 leave CUSA (Rice and UTEP to MWC and USM and one more to AAC), then CUSA and the SBC are both left with 10 teams. There's three possible scenarios:

1. CUSA and SBC stay put and nothing happens or CUSA adds two teams from FCS.

2. The conference split down the middle. CUSA West + SBC West and CUSA East + SBC East. Yuck...

3. If conference reform happens, and closed-door meetings and deals are involved as reported, then I think we're more likely to see strong teams try to grab and link with other strong teams to create a new competitive conference leaving the other teams to fend for themselves survival-of-the-fittest style since they will most likely be spread way out from FLA to TX. If that happens, guarantee that GS and App are the catalysts and will end up on the same side of whatever shakes out.

New Power Conference: Marshall, ODU, WKU, APP, GS, MTSU, Troy, USA, Ark State, La Tech, UL

New Metro Conference: CCU, UNCC, FIU, FAU, UAB, GAST, ULM, TXST, UTSA, UNT

Actually not a bad set up for either conference. The schools in each conference are related academically and athletically with some exceptions.

(09-19-2016 10:56 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  New Power Conference: Marshall, ODU, WKU, APP, GS, MTSU, Troy, USA, Ark State, La Tech, UL

New Metro Conference: CCU, UNCC, FIU, FAU, UAB, GAST, ULM, TXST, UTSA, UNT

Actually not a bad set up for either conference. The schools in each conference are related academically and athletically with some exceptions.

or...

New Big South Conference (pay'em $1m to swap names w/ the SBC):
Troy, GS, CCU, App St, JMU, Marshall / WKU, MTSU, MO St, AR St, ULM, UL

New Metro Conference (old C-USA):
FIU, FAU, UAB, GSU, UNCC, ODU / USA, USM, LA Tech, TXST, UTSA, UNT

(09-19-2016 03:44 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 02:02 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 02:00 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-19-2016 01:31 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  Jeez, we have years of instability, and then just as its settling down, we volunteer for more instability.

Can we just play football and try to grow a conference for a few years?

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That's the reality of two football conferences spread out over three time zones.

Idaho and NMSU are going away. Is tgere some gigantic advantage to being in the same time zone?

Once the TV money has dried up and you need to sell tickets to support the program it becomes a huge advantage. I think you agree it is far more likely we get more paying customers from Marshall, Charlotte, WKU & MTSU than we will A State, ULL, ULM & Texas Sate. It's all about increasing the Benjamins!

Maybe App State can get more paying customers for those teams, but our situation is slightly different

There are only three G5 programs within 5 hours of Jonesboro. ULM, MTSU, and WKU. The problem is, we never developed a ton of interest in playing those programs. ULM is historic, but they've never traveled, and the simple name doesn't excite our fans. MTSU was nice and was a reasonable travel situation, but both schools will tell you right now that fans never really cared about the series. It wasn't popular with either group, and both of us were glad to be rid of it when MTSU left for CUSA. WKU is a weird scenario because they for years were our biggest basketball draw, but football was not around long enough to develop.

From an Arkansas State perspective, We're going to draw more fans playing App State and Georgia Southern (Saturday games only) than we are against most of what is the current CUSA West, with La Tech and Southern Miss being the only exceptions. You guys may not bring any fans here, but our fans are going to show up in greater numbers.

(09-19-2016 03:49 PM)CatMom Wrote:  I'd rather go to App or GS than UNT any day (ok, if I could afford it).

Different scenario here because we all know the schools all have some odd desire to play each other that doesn't exist in other states. You guys would love nothing more than to share a league with UNT...they'd bring fans and interest.

It's different for us. No visiting team has EVER traveled to Jonesboro (Except Memphis) Most fans want nothing to do with the town. We're not going to draw large numbers of visiting fans in any league, so for us, it's about partnering with teams that we know our own fans will be interested in. That's not North Texas, Rice, UTSA, and UTEP. No offense to those schools, they are wonderful programs, but there's no connection between us. I'm sure they'd agree the same in reverse.

It's our biggest weakness in realignment, and why we likely get left out in the cold in several scenarios. We have no good history with any current FBS Program outside of NMSU, La Tech, UL, and ULM. Even including La Tech in that list is questionable because we've played them once in the last 25 years.