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(09-14-2016 02:10 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  There are present-day Pat Tillmans supporting Kaepernick at #VeteransForKaepernick.

As for "primodona (sic) athletes" - being a professional athlete does not mean giving up your rights to free speech or that you are too ignorant to comment on social issues. As for their "blessings" - history teaches us that it is usually only those that have the money (and thus the power) that can affect change.

You wouldn't assert those things about, say, actors would you? After all, we had one as president for eight years.

Your statement that Kaepernick has no appreciation for this country etc. has no basis in fact if you have read what he has had to say instead of hating him out of hand for his method of protest. He has repeatedly stated his respect for the military and referenced family members and friends who have served. He changed from sitting during the Anthem to kneeling after talking to a veteran at the San Diego Pre-Season game. Again I refer you to #VeteransForKaepernick if you can try to be at all objective over the issue.

This afternoon on "The Rich Eisen (radio) Show," Eisen, who is host on the NFL Network, stated that before he began his NA protests he had been talking about the issues of oppression and police shootings of unarmed Blacks on his Social Media for some time.

But very few were reacting to it until he sat out the NA in uniform (he had been sitting in street clothes for two previous games). Now it is a topic of nation-wide discussion.

Again, people with the courage to try to change what they see as wrong in society often have to do things that make others uncomfortable, knowing that they will draw considerable ire for their actions.

After all - that's the American Way, one of the things the flag symbolizes.

+100 Very well said.

(09-14-2016 02:10 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  There are present-day Pat Tillmans supporting Kaepernick at #VeteransForKaepernick.

As for "primodona (sic) athletes" - being a professional athlete does not mean giving up your rights to free speech or that you are too ignorant to comment on social issues. As for their "blessings" - history teaches us that it is usually only those that have the money (and thus the power) that can affect change.

You wouldn't assert those things about, say, actors would you? After all, we had one as president for eight years.

Your statement that Kaepernick has no appreciation for this country etc. has no basis in fact if you have read what he has had to say instead of hating him out of hand for his method of protest. He has repeatedly stated his respect for the military and referenced family members and friends who have served. He changed from sitting during the Anthem to kneeling after talking to a veteran at the San Diego Pre-Season game. Again I refer you to #VeteransForKaepernick if you can try to be at all objective over the issue.

This afternoon on "The Rich Eisen (radio) Show," Eisen, who is host on the NFL Network, stated that before Kaepernick began his NA protests he had been talking about the issues of oppression and police shootings of unarmed Blacks on his Social Media for some time.

But very few were reacting to it until he sat out the NA in uniform (he had been sitting in street clothes for two previous games). Now it is a topic of nation-wide discussion.

Which goes to show people with the courage to try to change what they see as wrong in society often have to do things that make others uncomfortable, knowing that they will draw considerable ire for their actions.

After all - that's the American Way, one of the things the flag symbolizes.

The American Way is not to attempt to kill police officers by INTENTIONALLY driving into them!

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona...8592-story

This is what Kaepernick supports.

Screw him.

(09-14-2016 02:24 PM)chipfan Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:10 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  There are present-day Pat Tillmans supporting Kaepernick at #VeteransForKaepernick.

As for "primodona (sic) athletes" - being a professional athlete does not mean giving up your rights to free speech or that you are too ignorant to comment on social issues. As for their "blessings" - history teaches us that it is usually only those that have the money (and thus the power) that can affect change.

You wouldn't assert those things about, say, actors would you? After all, we had one as president for eight years.

Your statement that Kaepernick has no appreciation for this country etc. has no basis in fact if you have read what he has had to say instead of hating him out of hand for his method of protest. He has repeatedly stated his respect for the military and referenced family members and friends who have served. He changed from sitting during the Anthem to kneeling after talking to a veteran at the San Diego Pre-Season game. Again I refer you to #VeteransForKaepernick if you can try to be at all objective over the issue.

This afternoon on "The Rich Eisen (radio) Show," Eisen, who is host on the NFL Network, stated that before he began his NA protests he had been talking about the issues of oppression and police shootings of unarmed Blacks on his Social Media for some time.

But very few were reacting to it until he sat out the NA in uniform (he had been sitting in street clothes for two previous games). Now it is a topic of nation-wide discussion.

Again, people with the courage to try to change what they see as wrong in society often have to do things that make others uncomfortable, knowing that they will draw considerable ire for their actions.

After all - that's the American Way, one of the things the flag symbolizes.

+100 Very well said.

Chris Rock has some thoughtful suggestions for the African-American community for dealing with police:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEvMc-K8XHY

(09-14-2016 03:15 PM)GullLake Wrote:  The American Way is not to attempt to kill police officers by INTENTIONALLY driving into them!

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona...8592-story

This is what Kaepernick supports.

Please post ANY link quoting Kaepernick saying he supported the driver of the vehicle in this article-incident or even any violent action against police officers.

Otherwise be exposed.

(09-14-2016 03:15 PM)GullLake Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 02:10 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  There are present-day Pat Tillmans supporting Kaepernick at #VeteransForKaepernick.

As for "primodona (sic) athletes" - being a professional athlete does not mean giving up your rights to free speech or that you are too ignorant to comment on social issues. As for their "blessings" - history teaches us that it is usually only those that have the money (and thus the power) that can affect change.

You wouldn't assert those things about, say, actors would you? After all, we had one as president for eight years.

Your statement that Kaepernick has no appreciation for this country etc. has no basis in fact if you have read what he has had to say instead of hating him out of hand for his method of protest. He has repeatedly stated his respect for the military and referenced family members and friends who have served. He changed from sitting during the Anthem to kneeling after talking to a veteran at the San Diego Pre-Season game. Again I refer you to #VeteransForKaepernick if you can try to be at all objective over the issue.

This afternoon on "The Rich Eisen (radio) Show," Eisen, who is host on the NFL Network, stated that before Kaepernick began his NA protests he had been talking about the issues of oppression and police shootings of unarmed Blacks on his Social Media for some time.

But very few were reacting to it until he sat out the NA in uniform (he had been sitting in street clothes for two previous games). Now it is a topic of nation-wide discussion.

Which goes to show people with the courage to try to change what they see as wrong in society often have to do things that make others uncomfortable, knowing that they will draw considerable ire for their actions.

After all - that's the American Way, one of the things the flag symbolizes.

The American Way is not to attempt to kill police officers by INTENTIONALLY driving into them!

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona...8592-story

This is what Kaepernick supports.

Screw him.

What a massive straw man.

(09-14-2016 12:56 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 12:41 PM)Moomba Wrote:  I don't think they hate him for what he's protesting. They hate HOW he's protesting and then it begins.....

Right - so have the footballs to say that, and don't deflect the real issue with outlandish comparisons and other attacks on the messenger.

Reminds me of the '60s when "patriots" or "good Americans" espoused "America: Love it or leave it!" when people were protesting in favor of the Civil Rights movement and against the Vietnam War.

How about try to change America, for the better?

Protest to affect change doesn't work without making people uncomfortable.

It's that simple to me. I don't love his method but that's just me. I also think his method will backfire.

(09-14-2016 04:52 PM)Moomba Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 12:56 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 12:41 PM)Moomba Wrote:  I don't think they hate him for what he's protesting. They hate HOW he's protesting and then it begins.....

Right - so have the footballs to say that, and don't deflect the real issue with outlandish comparisons and other attacks on the messenger.

Reminds me of the '60s when "patriots" or "good Americans" espoused "America: Love it or leave it!" when people were protesting in favor of the Civil Rights movement and against the Vietnam War.

How about try to change America, for the better?

Protest to affect change doesn't work without making people uncomfortable.

It's that simple to me. I don't love his method but that's just me. I also think his method will backfire.

Similar to the movement to move the marching band to Lot 1.

(09-14-2016 02:10 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  There are present-day Pat Tillmans supporting Kaepernick at #VeteransForKaepernick.

As for "primodona (sic) athletes" - being a professional athlete does not mean giving up your rights to free speech or that you are too ignorant to comment on social issues. As for their "blessings" - history teaches us that it is usually only those that have the money (and thus the power) that can affect change.

You wouldn't assert those things about, say, actors would you? After all, we had one as president for eight years.

Your statement that Kaepernick has no appreciation for this country etc. has no basis in fact if you have read what he has had to say instead of hating him out of hand for his method of protest. He has repeatedly stated his respect for the military and referenced family members and friends who have served. He changed from sitting during the Anthem to kneeling after talking to a veteran at the San Diego Pre-Season game. Again I refer you to #VeteransForKaepernick if you can try to be at all objective over the issue.

This afternoon on "The Rich Eisen (radio) Show," Eisen, who is host on the NFL Network, stated that before Kaepernick began his NA protests he had been talking about the issues of oppression and police shootings of unarmed Blacks on his Social Media for some time.

But very few were reacting to it until he sat out the NA in uniform (he had been sitting in street clothes for two previous games). Now it is a topic of nation-wide discussion.

Which goes to show people with the courage to try to change what they see as wrong in society often have to do things that make others uncomfortable, knowing that they will draw considerable ire for their actions.

After all - that's the American Way, one of the things the flag symbolizes.

Right, Kapernick is an American hero. Let's just say that we can agree to disagree. I think the guy is a puke. And I too have the right to express that. Just because there are a few former military folks who share kapernicks lack of insight doesn't mean the military, or veterans in general support him. They don't; and that is an understatement.

There are bad people in every profession. Most police are good, moral and conscientious professionals. What exactly is Kapernick trying to accomplish, beyond bringing attention to himself by insulting the flag and our country? What is the goal here? What do we all need to be aware of that the media hasn't already illustrated? And why does the message, whatever it is, require the insult to the country and flag?

(09-14-2016 07:12 PM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 04:52 PM)Moomba Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 12:56 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 12:41 PM)Moomba Wrote:  I don't think they hate him for what he's protesting. They hate HOW he's protesting and then it begins.....

Right - so have the footballs to say that, and don't deflect the real issue with outlandish comparisons and other attacks on the messenger.

Reminds me of the '60s when "patriots" or "good Americans" espoused "America: Love it or leave it!" when people were protesting in favor of the Civil Rights movement and against the Vietnam War.

How about try to change America, for the better?

Protest to affect change doesn't work without making people uncomfortable.

It's that simple to me. I don't love his method but that's just me. I also think his method will backfire.

Similar to the movement to move the marching band to Lot 1.

(09-14-2016 08:01 AM)GullLake Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 07:54 AM)brovol Wrote:  ....because we love him.

At least it would give Kaepernick a legitimate reason not to stand for the National Anthem.

Think of all the brave men and women who have served America in uniform (military AND police & fire) who sacrificed their own ability to stand so others - like Kaepernick - may express themselves.

Freedom is not free and is not to be taken for granted.

His refusal to stand for the flag has nothing to do with our military. Why do you ignore this?

(09-14-2016 09:16 AM)GullLake Wrote:  Good points.

However, if Joe Stahley stepped aside to allow a defensive tackle to dive at full speed into Kaepernick's knees, I would applaud.

Isn't it interesting how the punishment that knuckle draggers want handed out to Kaepernick never comes to fruition? Starting NFL linemen aren't so immature that they're going to blow a block to teach a teammate a lesson. Pull your head out of you rear.

(09-14-2016 10:24 AM)brovol Wrote:  So enjoy your status Kapernick. You are sitting at the same table with the KKK.

Absurd logic. I'm sorry, is Kaepernick lynching blacks? Is he fighting for segregated housing and schools?

Just another example of how scary it is you were elected to the bench.

(09-14-2016 12:07 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Kaepernick is protesting police shootings of unarmed African-Americans.

Are you serious when you say you hate that he stands for that?

And you seriously equate that to the KKK?

This man is a judge in the Thumb area. Isn't that scary?

(09-14-2016 01:46 PM)brovol Wrote:  Kapernick is someone who himself was punished by the NFL for abuse of a woman

Link?

(09-14-2016 01:46 PM)brovol Wrote:  Pat Tillman would likely have a thing to say about this.

If you right wing jock sniffers knew anything about Pat Tillman you'd know he'd support any American citizen's right to peaceful protest. You'd also know that he quickly became disillusioned with America's BS war in Iraq.

But you don't know anything, nevertheless anything about Pat Tillman. So stick to comparing an American peacefully protesting to a murderous, racist hate group.

You are despicable.

(09-14-2016 03:15 PM)GullLake Wrote:  The American Way is not to attempt to kill police officers by INTENTIONALLY driving into them!

http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona...8592-story

This is what Kaepernick supports.

Screw him.

Do you have any evidence that Kaepernick supports this sort of behavior? Of course you don't. You and brovol are sick.

(09-14-2016 03:47 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  What a massive straw man.

This is what these overt racists have been reduced to. They hate it when black Americans "act out," so they aim to destroy them via public discourse. You can feel their hate through their words.

(09-14-2016 08:44 PM)brovol Wrote:  Right, Kapernick is an American hero. Let's just say that we can agree to disagree. I think the guy is a puke. And I too have the right to express that. Just because there are a few former military folks who share kapernicks lack of insight doesn't mean the military, or veterans in general support him. They don't; and that is an understatement.

There are bad people in every profession. Most police are good, moral and conscientious professionals. What exactly is Kapernick trying to accomplish, beyond bringing attention to himself by insulting the flag and our country? What is the goal here? What do we all need to be aware of that the media hasn't already illustrated? And why does the message, whatever it is, require the insult to the country and flag?

Only the out of control, mouth-breathing, mouth-frothing hysterics like you believe he's bringing any sort of "insult" to the country and flag.

Again, I find it absolutely incredible that you serve in a position of public trust. You don't even deserve to jock a cash register at your local court house.

You don't have the integrity, nor the balls, to go public with your hateful opinions. You, unlike Kaepernick, are the true coward.

(09-15-2016 07:22 AM)Charm City Bronco Wrote:  

(09-14-2016 08:44 PM)brovol Wrote:  Right, Kapernick is an American hero. Let's just say that we can agree to disagree. I think the guy is a puke. And I too have the right to express that. Just because there are a few former military folks who share kapernicks lack of insight doesn't mean the military, or veterans in general support him. They don't; and that is an understatement.

There are bad people in every profession. Most police are good, moral and conscientious professionals. What exactly is Kapernick trying to accomplish, beyond bringing attention to himself by insulting the flag and our country? What is the goal here? What do we all need to be aware of that the media hasn't already illustrated? And why does the message, whatever it is, require the insult to the country and flag?

Only the out of control, mouth-breathing, mouth-frothing hysterics like you believe he's bringing any sort of "insult" to the country and flag.

Again, I find it absolutely incredible that you serve in a position of public trust. You don't even deserve to jock a cash register at your local court house.

You don't have the integrity, nor the balls, to go public with your hateful opinions. You, unlike Kaepernick, are the true coward.

Get back on your medication. I notice that whenever you know for certain you have nothing of actual substance to say, and no real argument to make, you attack me and my job. You are a mouth without anything ever intelligent to say. I suspect you are one of those idiots who picks fights with people from a distance, or through the internet, because you are too concerned about getting your a$$ kicked if you got too close to the person you are attacking. I would like to see who you really are and what you really do, as you may be exposed at how wholly insignificant you are.

You of course know what I do, and you constantly attack it. My strong suspicion, having dealt with derilicts as a prosecutor and then a judge, is that you have had some of your most unpleasant moments in a courtroom, and in front of a judge, and harbor great resentment; not at yourself for the things you did, but at others because you are too narcissistic to accept your own inadequacies.

Grow up Charm. Life is too short to be a douche your entire existence.

Do you two have to repeatedly turn every discussion into the same pissing match?! It's getting OLD!!