The Teams in the so called G5 conferences
Have so many disadvantages it is unreal.

When a G5 teams beats or comes
Within a point or two of a P5 school
What do we hear from the goofy talking
Heads.

1. They were looking past this game
2. They did not play well.

If it happens in a bowl game.
The P5 schools excuse. They were
Depressed because they did not make
The playoff or a better bowl.

You hardly ever hear
Hey that G5 school has got a good team
That could beat several teams in the P5

Smoke comes out my ears when I
Hear these commentators giving stats
That just include P5 schools. All 10
Conferences are in the same division.

East Carolina showed NC State that yesterday

Not so. I heard them say Houston has a very good team and show the team projected for the CFP, of course with caveats, that hold true.

Mute button.

That aside, it think it was the CBS website where some FSU goon was trying to rationalize the bowl loss to Houston.

That's fine if FSU didn't "feel like it", but all I see is scoreboard and a bunch of guys that need not be getting full-rides renewed for the next season if that's their rationale.

It was the same for Penn State when Houston kicked their cans in. Same thing to me. Scoreboard. I don't care what their fans thought or if their players peepee hurt from getting lobbed into the other Cotton Bowl game...

TL;DR. Don't take it so seriously. Just be a fan of the on-field happenings.

(09-11-2016 10:04 AM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  The Teams in the so called G5 conferences
Have so many disadvantages it is unreal.

When a G5 teams beats or comes
Within a point or two of a P5 school
What do we hear from the goofy talking
Heads.

1. They were looking past this game
2. They did not play well.

If it happens in a bowl game.
The P5 schools excuse. They were
Depressed because they did not make
The playoff or a better bowl.

You hardly ever hear
Hey that G5 school has got a good team
That could beat several teams in the P5

Smoke comes out my ears when I
Hear these commentators giving stats
That just include P5 schools. All 10
Conferences are in the same division.

East Carolina showed NC State that yesterday

Come on, as a fan of a former Sun Belt school and current CUSA school, you should be used to it by now. Entitlement is a powerful sentiment.

Fans of teams that have done poorly (and of conferences that perform poorly) cling to perception as a proxy for real success.

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Only way you get respect is to earn it, repeatedly. They're not going to give it to you. And they'll fight you for it. Keep winning and the rest takes care of itself.

I do think many of the close scores are helped by the fact teams are looking past the G4 schools.

(09-11-2016 11:14 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 10:04 AM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  The Teams in the so called G5 conferences
Have so many disadvantages it is unreal.

When a G5 teams beats or comes
Within a point or two of a P5 school
What do we hear from the goofy talking
Heads.

1. They were looking past this game
2. They did not play well.

If it happens in a bowl game.
The P5 schools excuse. They were
Depressed because they did not make
The playoff or a better bowl.

You hardly ever hear
Hey that G5 school has got a good team
That could beat several teams in the P5

Smoke comes out my ears when I
Hear these commentators giving stats
That just include P5 schools. All 10
Conferences are in the same division.

East Carolina showed NC State that yesterday

Come on, as a fan of a former Sun Belt school and current CUSA school, you should be used to it by now. Entitlement is a powerful sentiment.

Fans of teams that have done poorly (and of conferences that perform poorly) cling to perception as a proxy for real success.

---

Only way you get respect is to earn it, repeatedly. They're not going to give it to you. And they'll fight you for it. Keep winning and the rest takes care of itself.

By the way Tom , way to take down an SEC school last week !!

I guess WKU was just looking past Alabama.

The morning-after media is no kinder.

Take this article, for instance.

Quote:NC State's inability to execute led to many missed opportunities, costing the game at East Carolina. The now 2-0 Pirates are a tough out, and have now won six in a row against the ACC, but the issues for the Pack in Greenville likely plagued more than just the game. Losing to Scottie Montgomery's ECU leaves Dave Doeren's team looking down an improbable road to the postseason.

The biggest missed opportunity?

"There's a lot of them," Doeren said. "The wide open wheel route down the sideline is a touchdown, the field goals -- we've made those over and over in practice -- make one of those and it's overtime."

So we didn't beat them, they just failed to execute.

Never mind that we also had a wide open receiver drop a sure touchdown and missed the same field goal attempt twice (before and after NC State ran into our kicker). We played sloppy at times, too. But it's only the Wolfpack's errors that led to us winning... and then, there's also the assumption by Doeren that if they had reached overtime that they would have won.

I hope South Carolina messes up and let's us win this coming Saturday.

(09-11-2016 10:04 AM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  The Teams in the so called G5 conferences
Have so many disadvantages it is unreal.

When a G5 teams beats or comes
Within a point or two of a P5 school
What do we hear from the goofy talking
Heads.

1. They were looking past this game
2. They did not play well.

If it happens in a bowl game.
The P5 schools excuse. They were
Depressed because they did not make
The playoff or a better bowl.

You hardly ever hear
Hey that G5 school has got a good team
That could beat several teams in the P5

Smoke comes out my ears when I
Hear these commentators giving stats
That just include P5 schools. All 10
Conferences are in the same division.

East Carolina showed NC State that yesterday

Most of the media is made up of P5 shills.

If we lost to an FCS school it wouldn't even occur to me to suggest that the team wasn't "up" for the game. Our coach did come close to that though, after the Wyoming game, talking about the mistakes being the major issue - and they were an issue, but Wyoming also made mistakes.

You will find plenty of Houston believers among the Seminole faithful. We've seen the light.



The Cougars would be a great addition to the Big 12. Punch it in, guys.

(09-11-2016 12:22 PM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 11:14 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(09-11-2016 10:04 AM)Hilltop75 Wrote:  The Teams in the so called G5 conferences
Have so many disadvantages it is unreal.

When a G5 teams beats or comes
Within a point or two of a P5 school
What do we hear from the goofy talking
Heads.

1. They were looking past this game
2. They did not play well.

If it happens in a bowl game.
The P5 schools excuse. They were
Depressed because they did not make
The playoff or a better bowl.

You hardly ever hear
Hey that G5 school has got a good team
That could beat several teams in the P5

Smoke comes out my ears when I
Hear these commentators giving stats
That just include P5 schools. All 10
Conferences are in the same division.

East Carolina showed NC State that yesterday

Come on, as a fan of a former Sun Belt school and current CUSA school, you should be used to it by now. Entitlement is a powerful sentiment.

Fans of teams that have done poorly (and of conferences that perform poorly) cling to perception as a proxy for real success.

---

Only way you get respect is to earn it, repeatedly. They're not going to give it to you. And they'll fight you for it. Keep winning and the rest takes care of itself.

By the way Tom , way to take down an SEC school last week !!

Thanks.

(09-11-2016 01:08 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  You will find plenty of Houston believers among the Seminole faithful. We've seen the light.

Louisville as well.

(09-11-2016 01:08 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  You will find plenty of Houston believers among the Seminole faithful. We've seen the light.



The Cougars would be a great addition to the Big 12. Punch it in, guys.

I think a lot of the fans get it. It's almost as if the media pundits have a script to go by with their philosophy where they can't give credit when it's due.

The thing about a double edged sword is that there are two side.

On the one hand, yes, there are some G5 teams every year with more than enough talent to challenge most P5 teams and beat them with no help at all from their opponent.

But at the same time you also have to acknowledge that yes, P5 teams rarely play their absolute best ball for the G5/FCS teams they play in OOC and bowl games. These are 19 year old kids, ego is a factor wether it should be or not and it drives coaches and fans nuts to see their team playing lazy

(09-11-2016 02:32 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The thing about a double edged sword is that there are two side.

On the one hand, yes, there are some G5 teams every year with more than enough talent to challenge most P5 teams and beat them with no help at all from their opponent.

But at the same time you also have to acknowledge that yes, P5 teams rarely play their absolute best ball for the G5/FCS teams they play in OOC and bowl games. These are 19 year old kids, ego is a factor wether it should be or not and it drives coaches and fans nuts to see their team playing lazy

G5 teams are also made up of 19 year old kids, and they also rarely play their best ball for a variety of reasons. If you lose the game, you're simply not that good of a team, regardless of whether the kids were motivated or not.

What is the G5 v P5 overall record over the last 10 years?

If you want to see why they get no respect just look at that.

As an FSU fan, I can understand the sentiments completely. There are times I've observed the same sort of thing in other sports w/ us; and I agree, ultimately it's what the scoreboard says at the end of the game: regardless of injuries, officials, enthusiasm, or anything else. That's not to say that as a fan it's wrong to be upset about those things, certainly it is, but in the end you lost the game. Either you should have had more depth at the position(s) that got hurt, you should have been more dominant so that the officials' calls weren't as important, or you should have come into the game with a better mentality.

I'm not an official fan of a "G5" school (I do like to follow certain teams) but I'm not a big fan of the whole P5/G5 thing. To me it's all FBS football, really division I football for that matter. Each team has the potential to beat any other team on any given day, and every program has the potential to be great with the right investments and leadership. There was a time in the 70's that FSU was a joke in football, as much as an afterthought as there could be. I think a lot of our fans still harken back to those days (even those of us who were not alive then) and thus respect other programs that may not be given much thought today. Programs like Houston, East Carolina, NIU, USF/UCF, App State, Memphis, etc. have all impressed me with things they have done over the years and certainly deserve to be given credit and respect.

(09-11-2016 02:56 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  What is the G5 v P5 overall record over the last 10 years?

If you want to see why they get no respect just look at that.

My point is that they should get respect instead of lame excuses after they just beat the P5 team. Also, 95%+ of those games are home games for the P5 team, all the more reason to give respect when it's due.

(09-11-2016 01:08 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  You will find plenty of Houston believers among the Seminole faithful. We've seen the light.



The Cougars would be a great addition to the Big 12. Punch it in, guys.

Cardinal Fans are also believers in Houston. Definately P5 ready program. And very capable of beating most of them now.

Let me point this out. Many of the G5 schools are P5 type programs stuck in the G5.

Schools I think could do well in P5 that are not in a power conference yet?

Houston
Memphis
Navy
Cincinnati
USF
East Carolina
UCF
Marshall
Western kentucky
Southern Mississippi
UTEP
Ohio U.
Toledo
Northern Illinois
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Boise state
Utah State
Air Force
San Diego State
New Mexico
UNR
Colorado State
UNLV
Hawaii
Fresno State
South Alabama
Appalachian State
Georgia Southern
BYU

FCS that plays like they belong in a P5 conference.
Montana (former PAC 12 member)
Montana State
Portland State
Eastern Washington
Villanova
Richmond
James Madison
Towson
New Hampshire
Maine
North Dakota State
Youngstown State
Northern Iowa
South Dakota State
Illinois state
Jacksonville State
Eastern Illinois
Central Arkansas
McNeese State
Furman
Bethune-Cookman
The Citadel
Samford
Grambling State

Really, a lot of the good players transfer out of the P5 schools to these G5 or FCS teams which you do see a lot of upsets lately.