(08-30-2016 11:46 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 08:55 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Not having a competent back-up cost us any shot at Mizzou and Toledo last year.

Rushing for -14 yards in 24 attempts wasn't your QB's fault.

You realize that QB sacks count as rushes in College Football right?

QB run was a significant part of our run game last year. We had literally devised an entire offensive system based off of a QB who was a talented runner. Next thing we know, he's hurt and we have to run a backup out there who is a true pocket passer, and not much of a runner.

Our coaches have talked at length about how unprepared they were for Knighten to go out so early. We had really not worked at all to get Tabary packages, and had given him little time to work with the first team offense.

You take our QB run option away last year, and we were frankly a very average football team. That was pretty evident last year from the beginning.

(08-30-2016 11:46 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 08:55 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Not having a competent back-up cost us any shot at Mizzou and Toledo last year.

Rushing for -14 yards in 24 attempts wasn't your QB's fault.

When your running game depends on effective passing rather than nuclear accident Godzilla's on the OL to get the running game going... the f--- it isn't a QB issue. Also when you lose one of the most mobile qb's in school history and replace him with a meathead who puts a -54 in the rushing column, that's a damn QB issue.

I know you want us to throw ourselves prostate on the ground and worship the greek gods of Toledo but hells bells we had lost a 5 foot 7 (generous) QB who roasted you for 5 TD's the year before (21% of all TD passes he threw that season) behind an even worse offensive line.

(08-30-2016 12:50 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 11:46 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 08:55 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Not having a competent back-up cost us any shot at Mizzou and Toledo last year.

Rushing for -14 yards in 24 attempts wasn't your QB's fault.

You realize that QB sacks count as rushes in College Football right?

QB run was a significant part of our run game last year. We had literally devised an entire offensive system based off of a QB who was a talented runner. Next thing we know, he's hurt and we have to run a backup out there who is a true pocket passer, and not much of a runner.

Our coaches have talked at length about how unprepared they were for Knighten to go out so early. We had really not worked at all to get Tabary packages, and had given him little time to work with the first team offense.

You take our QB run option away last year, and we were frankly a very average football team. That was pretty evident last year from the beginning.

No he thinks meathead Tabary was the same sort of running machine Fredi was.

I don't think it'll be a true 2 QB situation. Like someone said earlier, I see it more as a 75% Voytik to 25% Hansen deal. I was expecting Hansen to fall well behind Voytik but he never did in fall practice. If something happens to Voytik I think Hansen will do just fine as well.

All Voytik, no Hansen.

(08-30-2016 05:59 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  All Voytik, no Hansen.

I don't often say this about you, but I agree.

Justice will get a series, or two, against Toledo.

He will get most of his minutes this season in the 4th quarter against Sun Belt teams, as we run the clock out on another victory.

(08-30-2016 08:00 PM)asuwon Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 05:59 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  All Voytik, no Hansen.

I don't often say this about you, but I agree.

Justice will get a series, or two, against Toledo.

He will get most of his minutes this season in the 4th quarter against Sun Belt teams, as we run the clock out on another victory.

You could be right so much more in life....yet you refuse.

(08-30-2016 08:00 PM)asuwon Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 05:59 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  All Voytik, no Hansen.

I don't often say this about you, but I agree.

Justice will get a series, or two, against Toledo.

He will get most of his minutes this season in the 4th quarter against Sun Belt teams, as we run the clock out on another victory.

(08-30-2016 08:29 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 08:00 PM)asuwon Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 05:59 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  All Voytik, no Hansen.

I don't often say this about you, but I agree.

Justice will get a series, or two, against Toledo.

He will get most of his minutes this season in the 4th quarter against Sun Belt teams, as we run the clock out on another victory.

You could be right so much more in life....yet you refuse.

You guys are coming around nicely.


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dual QB seems to be a common theme all over the country this season

(08-30-2016 02:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  At least to start the year. Chad Voytick will take the first two series, Justice Hansen will take the 3rd series, and they'll go from there.

Coaches have said this is fluid, and can change by the day, but this is a direct response to the issue we had last year in OOC Play when Knighten got hurt and an untested James Tabary had to play Missouri and Toledo. Coaches have said we were simply unprepared for that last year and it will not happen again.

As Anderson said today. "If Georgia Southern comes in week 5 and knocks our starting QB Out, we need to have an experienced backup ready to go so the offense doesn't lose a step."

It's also worth noting that we did not tackle live for 90 percent of our practices this year to avoid injuries, so both players need game experience against live tackling.

I absolutely hate this idea. You don't get the luxury of playing an FCS or equivalent type team to start the season yet your coaching staff wants to experiment, in my opinion, to see who is going to be more effective in a live game situation.

The idea of having a series count for the QB's reminds me of preseason NFL football where players are on a snap count and are pulled. The main difference is that State has a shot to make a statement against what would appear to be a top MAC and G5 team.

Note: Before anyone points out Southern, they run a different type of offense and Ellison is a glorified running back.

(09-01-2016 12:02 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 02:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  At least to start the year. Chad Voytick will take the first two series, Justice Hansen will take the 3rd series, and they'll go from there.

Coaches have said this is fluid, and can change by the day, but this is a direct response to the issue we had last year in OOC Play when Knighten got hurt and an untested James Tabary had to play Missouri and Toledo. Coaches have said we were simply unprepared for that last year and it will not happen again.

As Anderson said today. "If Georgia Southern comes in week 5 and knocks our starting QB Out, we need to have an experienced backup ready to go so the offense doesn't lose a step."

It's also worth noting that we did not tackle live for 90 percent of our practices this year to avoid injuries, so both players need game experience against live tackling.

I absolutely hate this idea. You don't get the luxury of playing an FCS or equivalent type team to start the season yet your coaching staff wants to experiment, in my opinion, to see who is going to be more effective in a live game situation.

The idea of having a series count for the QB's reminds me of preseason NFL football where players are on a snap count and are pulled. The main difference is that State has a shot to make a statement against what would appear to be a top MAC and G5 team.

Note: Before anyone points out Southern, they run a different type of offense and Ellison is a glorified running back.

I think in this case it's scheduled for 1 series and then see how it goes.

I've told you guys repeatedly it's not truly a 2 QB system.


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(09-01-2016 12:14 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:02 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 02:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  At least to start the year. Chad Voytick will take the first two series, Justice Hansen will take the 3rd series, and they'll go from there.

Coaches have said this is fluid, and can change by the day, but this is a direct response to the issue we had last year in OOC Play when Knighten got hurt and an untested James Tabary had to play Missouri and Toledo. Coaches have said we were simply unprepared for that last year and it will not happen again.

As Anderson said today. "If Georgia Southern comes in week 5 and knocks our starting QB Out, we need to have an experienced backup ready to go so the offense doesn't lose a step."

It's also worth noting that we did not tackle live for 90 percent of our practices this year to avoid injuries, so both players need game experience against live tackling.

I absolutely hate this idea. You don't get the luxury of playing an FCS or equivalent type team to start the season yet your coaching staff wants to experiment, in my opinion, to see who is going to be more effective in a live game situation.

The idea of having a series count for the QB's reminds me of preseason NFL football where players are on a snap count and are pulled. The main difference is that State has a shot to make a statement against what would appear to be a top MAC and G5 team.

Note: Before anyone points out Southern, they run a different type of offense and Ellison is a glorified running back.

I think in this case it's scheduled for 1 series and then see how it goes.

I've told you guys repeatedly it's not truly a 2 QB system.


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It can't be scheduled for one series if one QB gets two series and the other gets three.

(09-01-2016 12:22 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:14 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:02 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 02:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  At least to start the year. Chad Voytick will take the first two series, Justice Hansen will take the 3rd series, and they'll go from there.

Coaches have said this is fluid, and can change by the day, but this is a direct response to the issue we had last year in OOC Play when Knighten got hurt and an untested James Tabary had to play Missouri and Toledo. Coaches have said we were simply unprepared for that last year and it will not happen again.

As Anderson said today. "If Georgia Southern comes in week 5 and knocks our starting QB Out, we need to have an experienced backup ready to go so the offense doesn't lose a step."

It's also worth noting that we did not tackle live for 90 percent of our practices this year to avoid injuries, so both players need game experience against live tackling.

I absolutely hate this idea. You don't get the luxury of playing an FCS or equivalent type team to start the season yet your coaching staff wants to experiment, in my opinion, to see who is going to be more effective in a live game situation.

The idea of having a series count for the QB's reminds me of preseason NFL football where players are on a snap count and are pulled. The main difference is that State has a shot to make a statement against what would appear to be a top MAC and G5 team.

Note: Before anyone points out Southern, they run a different type of offense and Ellison is a glorified running back.

I think in this case it's scheduled for 1 series and then see how it goes.

I've told you guys repeatedly it's not truly a 2 QB system.


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It can't be scheduled for one series if one QB gets two series and the other gets three.

Right now it is schedule. Voytik for 2, Hansen the 3rd and then we will see. It's scripted for the first three series.

After that, we may not play the 2nd QB again all season (unlikely).


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(09-01-2016 12:25 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:22 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:14 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:02 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 02:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  At least to start the year. Chad Voytick will take the first two series, Justice Hansen will take the 3rd series, and they'll go from there.

Coaches have said this is fluid, and can change by the day, but this is a direct response to the issue we had last year in OOC Play when Knighten got hurt and an untested James Tabary had to play Missouri and Toledo. Coaches have said we were simply unprepared for that last year and it will not happen again.

As Anderson said today. "If Georgia Southern comes in week 5 and knocks our starting QB Out, we need to have an experienced backup ready to go so the offense doesn't lose a step."

It's also worth noting that we did not tackle live for 90 percent of our practices this year to avoid injuries, so both players need game experience against live tackling.

I absolutely hate this idea. You don't get the luxury of playing an FCS or equivalent type team to start the season yet your coaching staff wants to experiment, in my opinion, to see who is going to be more effective in a live game situation.

The idea of having a series count for the QB's reminds me of preseason NFL football where players are on a snap count and are pulled. The main difference is that State has a shot to make a statement against what would appear to be a top MAC and G5 team.

Note: Before anyone points out Southern, they run a different type of offense and Ellison is a glorified running back.

I think in this case it's scheduled for 1 series and then see how it goes.

I've told you guys repeatedly it's not truly a 2 QB system.


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It can't be scheduled for one series if one QB gets two series and the other gets three.

Right now it is schedule. Voytik for 2, Hansen the 3rd and then we will see. It's scripted for the first three series.

After that, we may not play the 2nd QB again all season (unlikely).


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I still don't think that the Toledo game is an appropriate time to attempt this.

(09-01-2016 12:02 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 02:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  At least to start the year. Chad Voytick will take the first two series, Justice Hansen will take the 3rd series, and they'll go from there.

Coaches have said this is fluid, and can change by the day, but this is a direct response to the issue we had last year in OOC Play when Knighten got hurt and an untested James Tabary had to play Missouri and Toledo. Coaches have said we were simply unprepared for that last year and it will not happen again.

As Anderson said today. "If Georgia Southern comes in week 5 and knocks our starting QB Out, we need to have an experienced backup ready to go so the offense doesn't lose a step."

It's also worth noting that we did not tackle live for 90 percent of our practices this year to avoid injuries, so both players need game experience against live tackling.

I absolutely hate this idea. You don't get the luxury of playing an FCS or equivalent type team to start the season yet your coaching staff wants to experiment, in my opinion, to see who is going to be more effective in a live game situation.

I was torn with this philosophy as well. But they did some live scrimmages....so they have an idea.
But if we see an unusual amount of poor tackling, it can only be blamed on no contact.
And it's not like we were immune from poor tackling last year...I saw a lot of failed arm tackles.

(09-01-2016 12:34 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:02 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 02:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  At least to start the year. Chad Voytick will take the first two series, Justice Hansen will take the 3rd series, and they'll go from there.

Coaches have said this is fluid, and can change by the day, but this is a direct response to the issue we had last year in OOC Play when Knighten got hurt and an untested James Tabary had to play Missouri and Toledo. Coaches have said we were simply unprepared for that last year and it will not happen again.

As Anderson said today. "If Georgia Southern comes in week 5 and knocks our starting QB Out, we need to have an experienced backup ready to go so the offense doesn't lose a step."

It's also worth noting that we did not tackle live for 90 percent of our practices this year to avoid injuries, so both players need game experience against live tackling.

I absolutely hate this idea. You don't get the luxury of playing an FCS or equivalent type team to start the season yet your coaching staff wants to experiment, in my opinion, to see who is going to be more effective in a live game situation.

I was torn with this philosophy as well. But they did some live scrimmages....so they have an idea.
But if we see an unusual amount of poor tackling, it can only be blamed on no contact.
And it's not like we were immune from poor tackling last year...I saw a lot of failed arm tackles.

I'm confused, what does poor tackling have to do with ultimately using the first half of the game against a Top G5 time as a try out for QB's?

(09-01-2016 12:37 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:34 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:02 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 02:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  At least to start the year. Chad Voytick will take the first two series, Justice Hansen will take the 3rd series, and they'll go from there.

Coaches have said this is fluid, and can change by the day, but this is a direct response to the issue we had last year in OOC Play when Knighten got hurt and an untested James Tabary had to play Missouri and Toledo. Coaches have said we were simply unprepared for that last year and it will not happen again.

As Anderson said today. "If Georgia Southern comes in week 5 and knocks our starting QB Out, we need to have an experienced backup ready to go so the offense doesn't lose a step."

It's also worth noting that we did not tackle live for 90 percent of our practices this year to avoid injuries, so both players need game experience against live tackling.

I absolutely hate this idea. You don't get the luxury of playing an FCS or equivalent type team to start the season yet your coaching staff wants to experiment, in my opinion, to see who is going to be more effective in a live game situation.

I was torn with this philosophy as well. But they did some live scrimmages....so they have an idea.
But if we see an unusual amount of poor tackling, it can only be blamed on no contact.
And it's not like we were immune from poor tackling last year...I saw a lot of failed arm tackles.

I'm confused, what does poor tackling have to do with ultimately using the first half of the game against a Top G5 time as a try out for QB's?

He's talking about the possible tackling issue that could arise from not hitting a lot this camp.


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(09-01-2016 12:44 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:37 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:34 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:02 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 02:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  At least to start the year. Chad Voytick will take the first two series, Justice Hansen will take the 3rd series, and they'll go from there.

Coaches have said this is fluid, and can change by the day, but this is a direct response to the issue we had last year in OOC Play when Knighten got hurt and an untested James Tabary had to play Missouri and Toledo. Coaches have said we were simply unprepared for that last year and it will not happen again.

As Anderson said today. "If Georgia Southern comes in week 5 and knocks our starting QB Out, we need to have an experienced backup ready to go so the offense doesn't lose a step."

It's also worth noting that we did not tackle live for 90 percent of our practices this year to avoid injuries, so both players need game experience against live tackling.

I absolutely hate this idea. You don't get the luxury of playing an FCS or equivalent type team to start the season yet your coaching staff wants to experiment, in my opinion, to see who is going to be more effective in a live game situation.

I was torn with this philosophy as well. But they did some live scrimmages....so they have an idea.
But if we see an unusual amount of poor tackling, it can only be blamed on no contact.
And it's not like we were immune from poor tackling last year...I saw a lot of failed arm tackles.

I'm confused, what does poor tackling have to do with ultimately using the first half of the game against a Top G5 time as a try out for QB's?

He's talking about the possible tackling issue that could arise from not hitting a lot this camp.


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I guessed that was what he meant but I wasn't sure what it had to do with the 2 QB system. I'm sure tackling is a concern for every team early on however a 2 QB system is something that can be avoided. Save it for your FCS game and let one guy go in to the game that actually matters knowing he is going to be the guy. If he isn't doing well, pull him after halftime. To pull a guy 2 series in to the first live action game is a terrible idea.

(09-01-2016 12:44 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:37 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:34 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:02 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 02:12 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  At least to start the year. Chad Voytick will take the first two series, Justice Hansen will take the 3rd series, and they'll go from there.

Coaches have said this is fluid, and can change by the day, but this is a direct response to the issue we had last year in OOC Play when Knighten got hurt and an untested James Tabary had to play Missouri and Toledo. Coaches have said we were simply unprepared for that last year and it will not happen again.

As Anderson said today. "If Georgia Southern comes in week 5 and knocks our starting QB Out, we need to have an experienced backup ready to go so the offense doesn't lose a step."

It's also worth noting that we did not tackle live for 90 percent of our practices this year to avoid injuries, so both players need game experience against live tackling.

I absolutely hate this idea. You don't get the luxury of playing an FCS or equivalent type team to start the season yet your coaching staff wants to experiment, in my opinion, to see who is going to be more effective in a live game situation.

I was torn with this philosophy as well. But they did some live scrimmages....so they have an idea.
But if we see an unusual amount of poor tackling, it can only be blamed on no contact.
And it's not like we were immune from poor tackling last year...I saw a lot of failed arm tackles.

I'm confused, what does poor tackling have to do with ultimately using the first half of the game against a Top G5 time as a try out for QB's?

He's talking about the possible tackling issue that could arise from not hitting a lot this camp.


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I guessed that was what he meant but I wasn't sure what it had to do with the 2 QB system. I'm sure tackling is a concern for every team early on however a 2 QB system is something that can be avoided. Save it for your FCS game and let one guy go in to the game that actually matters knowing he is going to be the guy. If he isn't doing well, pull him after halftime. To pull a guy 2 series in to the first live action game is a terrible idea.

(09-01-2016 12:48 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:44 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:37 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:34 PM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  

(09-01-2016 12:02 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  I absolutely hate this idea. You don't get the luxury of playing an FCS or equivalent type team to start the season yet your coaching staff wants to experiment, in my opinion, to see who is going to be more effective in a live game situation.

I was torn with this philosophy as well. But they did some live scrimmages....so they have an idea.
But if we see an unusual amount of poor tackling, it can only be blamed on no contact.
And it's not like we were immune from poor tackling last year...I saw a lot of failed arm tackles.

I'm confused, what does poor tackling have to do with ultimately using the first half of the game against a Top G5 time as a try out for QB's?

He's talking about the possible tackling issue that could arise from not hitting a lot this camp.


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I guessed that was what he meant but I wasn't sure what it had to do with the 2 QB system. I'm sure tackling is a concern for every team early on however a 2 QB system is something that can be avoided. Save it for your FCS game and let one guy go in to the game that actually matters knowing he is going to be the guy. If he isn't doing well, pull him after halftime. To pull a guy 2 series in to the first live action game is a terrible idea.

I'll defer to the guy making the big bucks on this.


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