(08-30-2016 05:38 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-28-2016 07:56 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I would say in our new run first offense, the tight end that wants the most playing time needs to be the tight end that blocks the best

I keep having visions of us running Dave Wannstedt's offense.

You mean the directionless, undistinguished kind that plays just well enough to stay in the game and lose?

(08-30-2016 06:26 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 05:38 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-28-2016 07:56 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I would say in our new run first offense, the tight end that wants the most playing time needs to be the tight end that blocks the best

I keep having visions of us running Dave Wannstedt's offense.

You mean the directionless, undistinguished kind that plays just well enough to stay in the game and lose?

That's the one. I think it's officially called the "got let go by the Dolphins" offense.

(08-30-2016 06:38 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 06:26 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 05:38 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-28-2016 07:56 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I would say in our new run first offense, the tight end that wants the most playing time needs to be the tight end that blocks the best

I keep having visions of us running Dave Wannstedt's offense.

You mean the directionless, undistinguished kind that plays just well enough to stay in the game and lose?

That's the one. I think it's officially called the "got let go by the Dolphins" offense.

The kind of offense that draws up play action on 4th down, deep in your own territory with less than 30 seconds to go in a conference championship game.

(08-30-2016 06:26 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 05:38 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-28-2016 07:56 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I would say in our new run first offense, the tight end that wants the most playing time needs to be the tight end that blocks the best

I keep having visions of us running Dave Wannstedt's offense.

You mean the directionless, undistinguished kind that plays just well enough to stay in the game and lose?

Have not heard Tubs or Taylor reference that the offense is run first. Taylor has said that TE will play much more.

(08-30-2016 06:48 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 06:26 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 05:38 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(08-28-2016 07:56 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  I would say in our new run first offense, the tight end that wants the most playing time needs to be the tight end that blocks the best

I keep having visions of us running Dave Wannstedt's offense.

You mean the directionless, undistinguished kind that plays just well enough to stay in the game and lose?

Have not heard Tubs or Taylor reference that the offense is run first. Taylor has said that TE will play much more.

Chad Brendal reported it in BSJ and more than one player has said it in interviews. If that isnt thr case we have bigger issues than imaginable...

^^ We are going to be 50-55% run vs. pass. That is pretty balanced in my opinion. Given that our receiving corps is young and inexperienced, we will be passing out of the backfield and utilizing the TE much more than we have in the past.

Most offenses in CFB try to stay balanced or run a little more than they pass. In the past 3 years we've passed more than we've run, but not in an extreme way, 55/45. Of course, if we switch to 45/55 pass/run it will seem like a big shift.

When we have run, it's usually the same dive play that is run every time, usually with an undersized RB.

I'm looking forward to what Zac Taylor has planned for this year. Hopefully Tubs is giving him full reign of the offense and he is capable.

(08-30-2016 09:03 AM)crex043 Wrote:  When we have run, it's usually the same dive play that is run every time, usually with an undersized RB.

I'm looking forward to what Zac Taylor has planned for this year. Hopefully Tubs is giving him full reign of the offense and he is capable.

Most running plays were not dives. Who is undersized? Chad from Lawrenceburg.

(08-30-2016 09:32 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 09:03 AM)crex043 Wrote:  When we have run, it's usually the same dive play that is run every time, usually with an undersized RB.

I'm looking forward to what Zac Taylor has planned for this year. Hopefully Tubs is giving him full reign of the offense and he is capable.

Most running plays were not dives. Who is undersized? Chad from Lawrenceburg.

You're right, not dives. But usually in general runs through the interior of the line and usually very predictable. And with running backs who were better suited to go outside. I'm having RDA4 flashbacks.

(08-30-2016 09:59 AM)crex043 Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 09:32 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 09:03 AM)crex043 Wrote:  When we have run, it's usually the same dive play that is run every time, usually with an undersized RB.

I'm looking forward to what Zac Taylor has planned for this year. Hopefully Tubs is giving him full reign of the offense and he is capable.

Most running plays were not dives. Who is undersized? Chad from Lawrenceburg.

You're right, not dives. But usually in general runs through the interior of the line and usually very predictable. And with running backs who were better suited to go outside. I'm having RDA4 flashbacks.

From the media guide:

The 2015 University of Cincinnati Offense …

» Has set 18 school records with one game remaining.
» Totaled 400 or more yards 11 times.
» Totaled 500 or more yards eight times.
» Totaled 600 or more yards five times.
» Totaled 700 or more yards twice.
» Scored 25 or more points 10 times.
» Scored 30 or more points eight times.
» Scored 40 or more points four times.
» Scored 50 or more points twice.

Set Single-Game Team Records For:

» Passing Attempts: 64 at Memphis
» Completions: 38 at Memphis
» Passing Yards: 620 at Memphis
» TD Passes: 6 vs. UCF (tied)
» Offensive Plays: 100 at Memphis
» Total Offense: 752 at Memphis
» First Downs: 38 at Memphis

Set Single-Game Individual Records For:

» Passing Yards: 557 by Hayden Moore at Memphis
Set Single-Season Team Records For:
» Passing Attempts: 515
» Passes Completed: 322
» Passing Yards: 4,477
» Total Offense: 6,711
» First Downs: 433

Set Single-Season Individual Records For:

» Receptions: Shaq Washington, 88

Set Individual Career Records For:

» Yards Per Rush: Mike Boone, 6.9
» Receptions: Shaq Washington, 238
» Receiving TDs: Chris Moore, 26
» Points Scored - Kicking: Andrew Gantz, 111


The UC offense has been record setting over the past three years with the three best total offense outputs in school history. Below is a three-year ranking of NCAA and total offense numbers.

NCAA RANKINGS 2013 2014 2015
Total Offense 23 27 5
Rushing Offense 66 72 48
Passing Offense 18 13 4
Team Passing Efficiency 25 25 31
Scoring Offense 47 29 25

(08-30-2016 10:34 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 09:59 AM)crex043 Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 09:32 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 09:03 AM)crex043 Wrote:  When we have run, it's usually the same dive play that is run every time, usually with an undersized RB.

I'm looking forward to what Zac Taylor has planned for this year. Hopefully Tubs is giving him full reign of the offense and he is capable.

Most running plays were not dives. Who is undersized? Chad from Lawrenceburg.

You're right, not dives. But usually in general runs through the interior of the line and usually very predictable. And with running backs who were better suited to go outside. I'm having RDA4 flashbacks.

From the media guide:

The 2015 University of Cincinnati Offense …

» Has set 18 school records with one game remaining.
» Totaled 400 or more yards 11 times.
» Totaled 500 or more yards eight times.
» Totaled 600 or more yards five times.
» Totaled 700 or more yards twice.
» Scored 25 or more points 10 times.
» Scored 30 or more points eight times.
» Scored 40 or more points four times.
» Scored 50 or more points twice.

Set Single-Game Team Records For:

» Passing Attempts: 64 at Memphis
» Completions: 38 at Memphis
» Passing Yards: 620 at Memphis
» TD Passes: 6 vs. UCF (tied)
» Offensive Plays: 100 at Memphis
» Total Offense: 752 at Memphis
» First Downs: 38 at Memphis

Set Single-Game Individual Records For:

» Passing Yards: 557 by Hayden Moore at Memphis
Set Single-Season Team Records For:
» Passing Attempts: 515
» Passes Completed: 322
» Passing Yards: 4,477
» Total Offense: 6,711
» First Downs: 433

Set Single-Season Individual Records For:

» Receptions: Shaq Washington, 88

Set Individual Career Records For:

» Yards Per Rush: Mike Boone, 6.9
» Receptions: Shaq Washington, 238
» Receiving TDs: Chris Moore, 26
» Points Scored - Kicking: Andrew Gantz, 111


The UC offense has been record setting over the past three years with the three best total offense outputs in school history. Below is a three-year ranking of NCAA and total offense numbers.

NCAA RANKINGS 2013 2014 2015
Total Offense 23 27 5
Rushing Offense 66 72 48
Passing Offense 18 13 4
Team Passing Efficiency 25 25 31
Scoring Offense 47 29 25

The scoring offense from last year was 38th (per NCAA.org). So over the 3 year period that puts us averaging the 38th best scoring offense in the country. Not too bad, but not earth shattering. Certainly not nearly as good compared to the total yardage we've put up. Red zone play calling was puzzling under Gran at times. All that said, we'd be doing cartwheels if the defense was nearly as effective as the offense.

(08-30-2016 10:34 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 09:59 AM)crex043 Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 09:32 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-30-2016 09:03 AM)crex043 Wrote:  When we have run, it's usually the same dive play that is run every time, usually with an undersized RB.

I'm looking forward to what Zac Taylor has planned for this year. Hopefully Tubs is giving him full reign of the offense and he is capable.

Most running plays were not dives. Who is undersized? Chad from Lawrenceburg.

You're right, not dives. But usually in general runs through the interior of the line and usually very predictable. And with running backs who were better suited to go outside. I'm having RDA4 flashbacks.

From the media guide:

The 2015 University of Cincinnati Offense …

» Has set 18 school records with one game remaining.
» Totaled 400 or more yards 11 times.
» Totaled 500 or more yards eight times.
» Totaled 600 or more yards five times.
» Totaled 700 or more yards twice.
» Scored 25 or more points 10 times.
» Scored 30 or more points eight times.
» Scored 40 or more points four times.
» Scored 50 or more points twice.

Set Single-Game Team Records For:

» Passing Attempts: 64 at Memphis
» Completions: 38 at Memphis
» Passing Yards: 620 at Memphis
» TD Passes: 6 vs. UCF (tied)
» Offensive Plays: 100 at Memphis
» Total Offense: 752 at Memphis
» First Downs: 38 at Memphis

Set Single-Game Individual Records For:

» Passing Yards: 557 by Hayden Moore at Memphis
Set Single-Season Team Records For:
» Passing Attempts: 515
» Passes Completed: 322
» Passing Yards: 4,477
» Total Offense: 6,711
» First Downs: 433

Set Single-Season Individual Records For:

» Receptions: Shaq Washington, 88

Set Individual Career Records For:

» Yards Per Rush: Mike Boone, 6.9
» Receptions: Shaq Washington, 238
» Receiving TDs: Chris Moore, 26
» Points Scored - Kicking: Andrew Gantz, 111


The UC offense has been record setting over the past three years with the three best total offense outputs in school history. Below is a three-year ranking of NCAA and total offense numbers.

NCAA RANKINGS 2013 2014 2015
Total Offense 23 27 5
Rushing Offense 66 72 48
Passing Offense 18 13 4
Team Passing Efficiency 25 25 31
Scoring Offense 47 29 25

This information dump represents the rose-colored glasses view of our offense from last year. Let's consider these points:

Pass Attempts: 547 (6th in FBS)
Interceptions: 22 (125 / 128 in FBS)
Rushing attempts: 512 (52 / 128 in FBS)
Penalties: 104 (121 / 128 in FBS)
Penalty Yds / Gm: 72.9 (122 / 128 in FBS)
Turnovers: 33 (124 / 128 in FBS)

Mike Boone was the most effective RB on the team with a team-high 9 TD, 7.2 yds/carry, and 68.09 yds/game. However, he had the second least number of rushing attempts, 104 (behind only Chad Banschbach who had 19), which accounted for just over 25% of all RB rushing attempts in 2015.

It appears the root of the issue was poor balance, poor discipline, and for as much as the offense gained, it lost a lot too. Obviously the defense was horrendous, but the offense should have been much better given the amount of experience and talent that we had last year. The offense underachieved in 2015, and if they hope to be successful in 2016 they're going to have to be more balanced and disciplined.

Turnovers and penalties kill you. Football is about field position and taking care of the damn ball.

(08-28-2016 02:32 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-28-2016 08:52 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  With the way TT has handled his most talented/future NFLers I have to think it is killing recruiting. Boone and Dowdy should be the main focus of the offense. Actually I'd even throw Gunner in there. If I am a good recruit and I see that TT is benching a possible NFL QB I'd completely ignore a UC offer. I know we all worry about winning, but recruits worry about getting to the NFL so the staff should worry about that also and they clearly do not.

Last I checked UC has not played a game yet this season.

Well he already made the call on Gunner. He barely used Boone, far and away the most talented guy on the roster, last year. And don't give me this Gran crap. A Head coach needs to step in and say, "Get these guys more involved."

I have fully embraced the John Calipari method. Make it all about getting them paid in the pros. The talent loves that and the wins will follow the talent.

(08-31-2016 07:32 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(08-28-2016 02:32 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-28-2016 08:52 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  With the way TT has handled his most talented/future NFLers I have to think it is killing recruiting. Boone and Dowdy should be the main focus of the offense. Actually I'd even throw Gunner in there. If I am a good recruit and I see that TT is benching a possible NFL QB I'd completely ignore a UC offer. I know we all worry about winning, but recruits worry about getting to the NFL so the staff should worry about that also and they clearly do not.

Last I checked UC has not played a game yet this season.

Well he already made the call on Gunner. He barely used Boone, far and away the most talented guy on the roster, last year. And don't give me this Gran crap. A Head coach needs to step in and say, "Get these guys more involved."

I have fully embraced the John Calipari method. Make it all about getting them paid in the pros. The talent loves that and the wins will follow the talent.

Gunner isn't starting because he has not consistently performed well in practices and scrimmages. Boone didn't play consistently last year because of a nagging ankle injury and he couldn't figure out the play book.

(08-31-2016 08:49 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 07:32 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  

(08-28-2016 02:32 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(08-28-2016 08:52 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  With the way TT has handled his most talented/future NFLers I have to think it is killing recruiting. Boone and Dowdy should be the main focus of the offense. Actually I'd even throw Gunner in there. If I am a good recruit and I see that TT is benching a possible NFL QB I'd completely ignore a UC offer. I know we all worry about winning, but recruits worry about getting to the NFL so the staff should worry about that also and they clearly do not.

Last I checked UC has not played a game yet this season.

Well he already made the call on Gunner. He barely used Boone, far and away the most talented guy on the roster, last year. And don't give me this Gran crap. A Head coach needs to step in and say, "Get these guys more involved."

I have fully embraced the John Calipari method. Make it all about getting them paid in the pros. The talent loves that and the wins will follow the talent.

Gunner isn't starting because he has not consistently performed well in practices and scrimmages. Boone didn't play consistently last year because of a nagging ankle injury and he couldn't figure out the play book.

I don't remember Boone having the nagging injury. What I do remember was him making a ridiculous play and then not being seen for the next two drives, then coming in again and making more great plays. For gods sake they admitted to letting the RBs handle their own substitutions. That is indefensible.

Look I get that the reasons for benching Gunner are legit. I am saying that IN MY OPINION it is the wrong move. People, including recruits and possible transfers, know who Gunner is and if he could have a good year and get drafted that would be great advertising to recruits and possible transfers.

(08-31-2016 08:49 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Gunner isn't starting because he has not consistently performed well in practices and scrimmages. Boone didn't play consistently last year because of a nagging ankle injury and he couldn't figure out the play book.

How the heck people keep forgetting he was injured (by his own admission) is beyond me.

It was also reported last year that at times when he was in (maybe related to Jackie's playbook statement) he had trouble blocking on pass plays. Also playbook related as I understand it he was not a RB in HS and was converted by UC.

Quote: For gods sake they admitted to letting the RBs handle their own substitutions. That is indefensible.

At all levels of FB tapping your helmet means "I need to come out" and coaches work to get them out as soon as they can, at UC they felt deep enough to allow the players for this position group to decide. It might be a bit unusual but I am not that fired up about it.

(08-31-2016 09:41 AM)Crewdogz Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 08:49 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Gunner isn't starting because he has not consistently performed well in practices and scrimmages. Boone didn't play consistently last year because of a nagging ankle injury and he couldn't figure out the play book.

How the heck people keep forgetting he was injured (by his own admission) is beyond me.

It was also reported last year that at times when he was in (maybe related to Jackie's playbook statement) he had trouble blocking on pass plays. Also playbook related as I understand it he was not a RB in HS and was converted by UC.

I just don't get if he was injured then he should not have been in the game at all, but that's not what happened. He'd play then sit long stretches, then play again. It would seem that would be the worst thing for a nagging ankle injury.

This is exactly what I'm saying though. Yes, I'd love for him to know the playbook backwards and forwards and be the best pass blocker on the team, but even if neither of those happen to be the case he needs to be on the field as much as possible because he was hands down the most explosive player we had. When you have a talent ike that on your team, you find a way to get the ball in his hands.