Link (Behind Paywall)

Synopsis -

ESPN: You better not
BXII: I'm gonna...
ESPN: I got 9 Supreme Court justices that say you won't....
BXII: ...

If this plays out this way, the Big 12 is a dead conference walking. Article says that if Texas leaves the Big 12, they'd join the B1G due to academic similarities with other universities. If Texas leaves, Oklahoma probably goes elsewhere too...

the AAC could get a big windfall, the Big 12 would have to vote to dissolve to break the GOR, I believe. If that's the case, if we add members now it could potentially leave out a more valuable member in the future.

Least informative post ever

How exactly would ESPN stop them given there is a signed contract saying ESPN must pay. It's written contract with written words. I doubt they have 9 Supreme Court justices willing to dump hundreds of years of legal precedent that says the written word trumps the verbal word in contract law.

I continue to throw this out there--the Big12 could say to ESPN---fine, you don't have to pay, but you will need to send over a document saying you have no ownership rights to the any of the home games played at the new schools. We will sell them on the open market to the highest bidder or use them to start a conference network. Bet ESPN wouldn't much like that one either.

(08-19-2016 09:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  How exactly would ESPN stop them given there is a signed contract saying ESPN must pay. It's written contract with written words.

I continue to throw this out there--the Big12 could say to ESPN---fine, you don't have to pay, but you will need to send over a document saying you have no ownership rights to the any of the home games played at the new schools. We will sell them on the open market to the highest bidder or use them to start a conference network. Bet ESPN wouldn't much like that one either.

It appears ESPN is trying to argue their interpretation of the contract language is that G5 schools are not included. The Big 12 apparently disagrees.

It is amazing to me that ESPN and money have so much influence over these processes. I understand it, it is just troubles me.

(08-19-2016 09:43 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-19-2016 09:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  How exactly would ESPN stop them given there is a signed contract saying ESPN must pay. It's written contract with written words.

I continue to throw this out there--the Big12 could say to ESPN---fine, you don't have to pay, but you will need to send over a document saying you have no ownership rights to the any of the home games played at the new schools. We will sell them on the open market to the highest bidder or use them to start a conference network. Bet ESPN wouldn't much like that one either.

It appears ESPN is trying to argue their interpretation of the contract language is that G5 schools are not included. The Big 12 apparently disagrees.

If it's not in the document it's not in the document. It's a written contract. If it doesn't make that distinction in writing, then it doesn't exist. They have zero recourse. Otherwise, the Big12 could argue the agreement is no longer valid on the basis of something not directly addressed in the deal.

Cincinnati was in the P6 when the contract was signed. BYU and Houston were not. ESPN's case would be especially weak against adding Cinci.

ESPN is threatening legal action. If the B12 proceeds, it will do so without the guarantee of a win or at the very least no pro rata payment for several years. This would be problematic.

The B12 being a 'dead man walking' maybe not good for the AAC... if they dissolve and UT/OU leave, the remnants will pick up a few lucky AAC schools and keep the brand, and be the legit #5 conference. But it's a disaster for any AAC schools who don't move to the 'new B12'.

I've never bought the idea that the AAC benefits at all, and might pick up WV, TCU etc... will never happen. Just like the old BE went down to 3, but still reloaded, the B12 leftovers (with a name that matters), will reload. No matter how many are left.

I hate this because I really like what we have going here in the AAC... I would much prefer us to move as a unit. But that's how it will unfold.

I almost don't care at this point. The B12 situation doesn't make sense. There's no way reasonably successful, intelligent people would bungle something this badly.

Do you really believe they just did a 180 because they were surprised by the ACC network? Everyone knew the ACC network was going to happen because of the penalties associated with it.

Do you believe the B12 needed to hear from 18 schools? There's absolutely no need, legal or otherwise for that. The longer this drags on, there are only 2 possibilities: The B12 is inept and filled with foolish people. OR, they are using this process to squeeze more from TV. I'm fine with either. We are in a good conference and I'm sick of being concerned with the B12. End it

Big 12 is going to turn into the AAC with a few remaining teams like Iowa State, TCU, Baylor, and maybe Oklahoma State and adding maybe 10 AAC teams.

(08-19-2016 10:03 AM)Bull Wrote:  The B12 being a 'dead man walking' maybe not good for the AAC... if they dissolve and UT/OU leave, the remnants will pick up a few lucky AAC schools and keep the brand, and be the legit #5 conference. But it's a disaster for any AAC schools who don't move to the 'new B12'.

I've never bought the idea that the AAC benefits at all, and might pick up WV, TCU etc... will never happen. Just like the old BE went down to 3, but still reloaded, the B12 leftovers (with a name that matters), will reload. No matter how many are left.

I hate this because I really like what we have going here in the AAC... I would much prefer us to move as a unit. But that's how it will unfold.

I agree with this and it’s why IMO it’s important for (insert your school here) to continue to invest heavily in facility upgrades, coaching upgrades, and increasing the academic profile of the university. They need to continue to position themselves to be a viable P5 candidates even if an opening doesn’t exist today so when the implosion happens they are ready.

It’s something each AAC member takes seriously and that level of commitment needs to be considered when evaluating potential AAC replacements.

It sucks but it’s business.

(08-19-2016 09:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  How exactly would ESPN stop them given there is a signed contract saying ESPN must pay. It's written contract with written words. I doubt they have 9 Supreme Court justices willing to dump hundreds of years of legal precedent that says the written word trumps the verbal word in contract law.

I continue to throw this out there--the Big12 could say to ESPN---fine, you don't have to pay, but you will need to send over a document saying you have no ownership rights to the any of the home games played at the new schools. We will sell them on the open market to the highest bidder or use them to start a conference network. Bet ESPN wouldn't much like that one either.

Lawyers will argue anything. Plus, if true,and a huge if,the threat of lawsuit will scare off Texas who needs Espn more than any other school on conference.

(08-19-2016 10:25 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(08-19-2016 09:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  How exactly would ESPN stop them given there is a signed contract saying ESPN must pay. It's written contract with written words. I doubt they have 9 Supreme Court justices willing to dump hundreds of years of legal precedent that says the written word trumps the verbal word in contract law.

I continue to throw this out there--the Big12 could say to ESPN---fine, you don't have to pay, but you will need to send over a document saying you have no ownership rights to the any of the home games played at the new schools. We will sell them on the open market to the highest bidder or use them to start a conference network. Bet ESPN wouldn't much like that one either.

Lawyers will argue anything. Plus, if true,and a huge if,the threat of lawsuit will scare off Texas who needs Espn more than any other school on conference.

True. If anything, it anything this is all about leveraging negotiations. ESPN may be using this card in order to get concessions from the Big 12 when the time comes to pay the piper.

(08-19-2016 09:43 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-19-2016 09:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  How exactly would ESPN stop them given there is a signed contract saying ESPN must pay. It's written contract with written words.

I continue to throw this out there--the Big12 could say to ESPN---fine, you don't have to pay, but you will need to send over a document saying you have no ownership rights to the any of the home games played at the new schools. We will sell them on the open market to the highest bidder or use them to start a conference network. Bet ESPN wouldn't much like that one either.

It appears ESPN is trying to argue their interpretation of the contract language is that G5 schools are not included. The Big 12 apparently disagrees.

Good luck arguing that when everyone (B1G-Rutgers, ACC-Louisville) is expanding from the same place (AAC).

That clause was intentionally open because they knew where the Big 12 candidates were going to come from and the Big 12 wouldn't sign if they put a P5 only stip. That would be agreeing to no expansion. Some of the candidates now were the runners up to the WV/TCU adds (who also came from the BE/AAC).

ESPN is very shady in this.

(08-19-2016 08:44 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Link (Behind Paywall)

Synopsis -

ESPN: You better not
BXII: I'm gonna...
ESPN: I got 9 Supreme Court justices that say you won't....
BXII: ...

Author
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Clickbait in its purest form.

Solid troll kruciff. You are the stealth bomber of trolling

Orange Bloods is a pretty reputable source. Not sure what you mean.

(08-19-2016 08:44 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Link (Behind Paywall)

Synopsis -

ESPN: You better not
BXII: I'm gonna...
ESPN: I got 9 Supreme Court justices that say you won't....
BXII: ...

Good luck with that. There aren't even 9 Supreme Court justices.

And they rarely agree on anything.