(08-17-2016 05:53 PM)memphisike Wrote:  A reliable Dude on the street is telling me, Memphis, cinncinatti, CSU and byu. The Dude says uconn going to the ACC with ECU. The Dude says acc gonna lose a couple of schools and they r also looking at Memphis

Ridiculous. ACC teams signed over GOR for 20 years with the new ACC Network last month. Which might as well be infinity in terms of conference realignment. No ACC team is going anywhere.

(08-17-2016 04:02 PM)cmt Wrote:  Just heard another pundit on 56 say the top four are UC, BYU, Houston and UCONN.

I'm almost ready to say if they take UCONN that the whole thing is garbage and we are, for whatever political, social, economic, reasons, just will always be left out and maybe we should just forget the whole thing. If its all about football, UCONN pales in comparison to Memphis and is a freakin' million miles away. And don't even start on the NYNY market. UCONN has as much of the New York market as Memphis has of the state of Alabama, Texas and Louisiana, maybe less.

UCONN
Started D1 football in 1999, 1999!!!!
Memphis
Stared playing football in 1912 and has been D1 ever since there was such a thing

UCONN
1998 were in the 1-AA playoffs and lost to Georgia Southern
Have appeared in 6 bowl games
Biggest wins
Notre Dame at South Bend in double overtime (2009, Notre Dame was 6-6 that year)
South Carolina, Navy, Cincinnati, Syracuse, Louisville, West Virginia and Memphis

Memphis
7 bowls since 2000, 9 total
Biggest wins
Alabama (1 once), Tennessee (1), Auburn (2), USC, yes Southern Cal, (1), Florida (1), oh, and Cincinnati (19) and Ole Miss (10) and Mississippi State (11) and Arkansas (3) and Louisville (19) and BYU (1) and Florida State (7) and Georgia Tech (1) and Miami (1) and Virginia Tech (3) and Vanderbilt (5) and South Carolina (2) etc, etc, etc.

UCONN and the Mormons just don't make any sense to me. Take UC and Houston, I can be disappointed, but live with and understand that. But UCONN? Come on.

my a$$

I would bet on UConn not getting in. I have been trying to find someone to take that action. I tried getting in touch with btiger but I think he is trying to get SMU in the Big 12 now.

(08-17-2016 04:06 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 04:02 PM)cmt Wrote:  Just heard another pundit on 56 say the top four are UC, BYU, Houston and UCONN.

I'm almost ready to say if they take UCONN that the whole thing is garbage and we are, for whatever political, social, economic, reasons, just will always be left out and maybe we should just forget the whole thing. If its all about football, UCONN pales in comparison to Memphis and is a freakin' million miles away. And don't even start on the NYNY market. UCONN has as much of the New York market as Memphis has of the state of Alabama, Texas and Louisiana, maybe less.

UCONN
Started D1 football in 1999, 1999!!!!
Memphis
Stared playing football in 1912 and has been D1 ever since there was such a thing

UCONN
1998 were in the 1-AA playoffs and lost to Georgia Southern
Have appeared in 6 bowl games
Biggest wins
Notre Dame at South Bend in double overtime (2009, Notre Dame was 6-6 that year)
South Carolina, Navy, Cincinnati, Syracuse, Louisville, West Virginia and Memphis

Memphis
7 bowls since 2000, 9 total
Biggest wins
Alabama (1 once), Tennessee (1), Auburn (2), USC, yes Southern Cal, (1), Florida (1), oh, and Cincinnati (19) and Ole Miss (10) and Mississippi State (11) and Arkansas (3) and Louisville (19) and BYU (1) and Florida State (7) and Georgia Tech (1) and Miami (1) and Virginia Tech (3) and Vanderbilt (5) and South Carolina (2) etc, etc, etc.

UCONN and the Mormons just don't make any sense to me. Take UC and Houston, I can be disappointed, but live with and understand that. But UCONN? Come on.

my a$$

Also been bowl eligible many more times than UConn's total football history in years.

I don't see UConn getting in the Big 12 but they did at least go to a BCS bowl game a few years ago.

(08-17-2016 05:28 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Did some listening/searching this p.m., some pro and con from the media/fan boards:

The pro - from the Scout Houston board, poster named CoachV1 who appears to be a respected voice on that board started a thread:

"Expansion, What I heard Recently

This from a guy well connected at a Big 12 school that is a major force behind expansion.....

UH Memphis Cincy CSU

As many know I pay little attention to expansion. My famous quote "wake me up when something happens". Thought y'all should know."

The con (I hesitate to post for the inevitable they hate Memphis posts to follow) from the USA Today Final Four football podcast.
George Schroeder interviewing Dennis Dood. Here's the link: https://soundcloud.com/football-four

* Nothing negative on Memphis. But, they don't talk Memphis much, if at all.
* They dis Houston, Cincy, UConn, UCF. Say BYU is clearly best candidate, but LGBT stuff could torpedo them.
* Dodd: "I hear there is no way Texas wants Houston in the league. It's all political." Schroeder: "Been told no way Houston gets 8 votes, in fact, prob. get 8 votes against."
* Schoeder thinks 50-50 they don't expand at all, 2 max. Dodd says anything possible, buts thinks they will expand.
* Both say they heard one of the 10 presidents was not even at the July 19th meeting.
* Both have heard the AD's and 'athletic professionals' at the schools are pushing back on expansion. Idea being that president's got wowed at meeting with consultant presentations, then the ACC Network news broke, and acted impulsively in changing course from May 31st meeting.
* Now that presidents have been back on campus for a few weeks, both hearing some schools want to slow process down. Dodd reminded that 3 current presidents are interim, not sure they will want to make '100 year' decision.
* Dodd says he has been told they will cut the 18 list down by end of month, have group of finalists, then decide by October meeting.
* Both say Big 12 could do anything. ". . .this is conference that denied Baker Mayfield an extra year of eligiblity, and then changed their mind the next day."

No 18 list. Some good info regarding Prez's getting carried away now getting pulled back.

(08-17-2016 05:28 PM)Tigx Wrote:  * Nothing negative on Memphis. But, they don't talk Memphis much, if at all.

This actually may work in Memphis's favor.

I honestly believe that there is not one single, solitary school or president in the conference that is going to be either absolutely for or absolutely against Memphis. Houston may (or may not) have strong support from Texas, but that doesn't mean much if six other schools want nothing to do with another school from the State of Texas. And that is important for a vote that has to have eight schools say 'yes' in order to get someone in.
As such, I can see Memphis being a strong 'compromise' candidate. I think there definitely could be a school go "Well, if not (our first choice) how about Memphis?" and the dissenting party goes "Eh. Okay."
It's not sexy, but I really think that's Memphis's way in, from a political perspective.

(08-17-2016 05:53 PM)memphisike Wrote:  A reliable Dude on the street is telling me, Memphis, cinncinatti, CSU and byu. The Dude says uconn going to the ACC with ECU. The Dude says acc gonna lose a couple of schools and they r also looking at Memphis

Honestly that's the dream but I don't see how Texas will be happy without UH. I can only hope they are vouch for them because,

A) to act like they are trying to get UH in and get their UTH campus.

B) political leaders are just trying to pander to Coogs to get votes in the next election.

We really don't need more Texas but hey more Texas just hurts them more than the northern schools.

(08-17-2016 07:41 PM)sportsfather1 Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 04:06 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 04:02 PM)cmt Wrote:  Just heard another pundit on 56 say the top four are UC, BYU, Houston and UCONN.

I'm almost ready to say if they take UCONN that the whole thing is garbage and we are, for whatever political, social, economic, reasons, just will always be left out and maybe we should just forget the whole thing. If its all about football, UCONN pales in comparison to Memphis and is a freakin' million miles away. And don't even start on the NYNY market. UCONN has as much of the New York market as Memphis has of the state of Alabama, Texas and Louisiana, maybe less.

UCONN
Started D1 football in 1999, 1999!!!!
Memphis
Stared playing football in 1912 and has been D1 ever since there was such a thing

UCONN
1998 were in the 1-AA playoffs and lost to Georgia Southern
Have appeared in 6 bowl games
Biggest wins
Notre Dame at South Bend in double overtime (2009, Notre Dame was 6-6 that year)
South Carolina, Navy, Cincinnati, Syracuse, Louisville, West Virginia and Memphis

Memphis
7 bowls since 2000, 9 total
Biggest wins
Alabama (1 once), Tennessee (1), Auburn (2), USC, yes Southern Cal, (1), Florida (1), oh, and Cincinnati (19) and Ole Miss (10) and Mississippi State (11) and Arkansas (3) and Louisville (19) and BYU (1) and Florida State (7) and Georgia Tech (1) and Miami (1) and Virginia Tech (3) and Vanderbilt (5) and South Carolina (2) etc, etc, etc.

UCONN and the Mormons just don't make any sense to me. Take UC and Houston, I can be disappointed, but live with and understand that. But UCONN? Come on.

my a$$

Also been bowl eligible many more times than UConn's total football history in years.

I don't see UConn getting in the Big 12 but they did at least go to a BCS bowl game a few years ago.

Which was the beginning of the end of the Big East and their P6 status.

Yeah.

(08-18-2016 07:43 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 07:41 PM)sportsfather1 Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 04:06 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 04:02 PM)cmt Wrote:  Just heard another pundit on 56 say the top four are UC, BYU, Houston and UCONN.

I'm almost ready to say if they take UCONN that the whole thing is garbage and we are, for whatever political, social, economic, reasons, just will always be left out and maybe we should just forget the whole thing. If its all about football, UCONN pales in comparison to Memphis and is a freakin' million miles away. And don't even start on the NYNY market. UCONN has as much of the New York market as Memphis has of the state of Alabama, Texas and Louisiana, maybe less.

UCONN
Started D1 football in 1999, 1999!!!!
Memphis
Stared playing football in 1912 and has been D1 ever since there was such a thing

UCONN
1998 were in the 1-AA playoffs and lost to Georgia Southern
Have appeared in 6 bowl games
Biggest wins
Notre Dame at South Bend in double overtime (2009, Notre Dame was 6-6 that year)
South Carolina, Navy, Cincinnati, Syracuse, Louisville, West Virginia and Memphis

Memphis
7 bowls since 2000, 9 total
Biggest wins
Alabama (1 once), Tennessee (1), Auburn (2), USC, yes Southern Cal, (1), Florida (1), oh, and Cincinnati (19) and Ole Miss (10) and Mississippi State (11) and Arkansas (3) and Louisville (19) and BYU (1) and Florida State (7) and Georgia Tech (1) and Miami (1) and Virginia Tech (3) and Vanderbilt (5) and South Carolina (2) etc, etc, etc.

UCONN and the Mormons just don't make any sense to me. Take UC and Houston, I can be disappointed, but live with and understand that. But UCONN? Come on.

my a$$

Also been bowl eligible many more times than UConn's total football history in years.

I don't see UConn getting in the Big 12 but they did at least go to a BCS bowl game a few years ago.

Which was the beginning of the end of the Big East and their P6 status.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_East_C...Bowl_Games

The Big East had an 8–7 record in BCS bowl games, including a 1–2 record in National Championship games.

(08-18-2016 08:53 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 07:43 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 07:41 PM)sportsfather1 Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 04:06 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 04:02 PM)cmt Wrote:  Just heard another pundit on 56 say the top four are UC, BYU, Houston and UCONN.

I'm almost ready to say if they take UCONN that the whole thing is garbage and we are, for whatever political, social, economic, reasons, just will always be left out and maybe we should just forget the whole thing. If its all about football, UCONN pales in comparison to Memphis and is a freakin' million miles away. And don't even start on the NYNY market. UCONN has as much of the New York market as Memphis has of the state of Alabama, Texas and Louisiana, maybe less.

UCONN
Started D1 football in 1999, 1999!!!!
Memphis
Stared playing football in 1912 and has been D1 ever since there was such a thing

UCONN
1998 were in the 1-AA playoffs and lost to Georgia Southern
Have appeared in 6 bowl games
Biggest wins
Notre Dame at South Bend in double overtime (2009, Notre Dame was 6-6 that year)
South Carolina, Navy, Cincinnati, Syracuse, Louisville, West Virginia and Memphis

Memphis
7 bowls since 2000, 9 total
Biggest wins
Alabama (1 once), Tennessee (1), Auburn (2), USC, yes Southern Cal, (1), Florida (1), oh, and Cincinnati (19) and Ole Miss (10) and Mississippi State (11) and Arkansas (3) and Louisville (19) and BYU (1) and Florida State (7) and Georgia Tech (1) and Miami (1) and Virginia Tech (3) and Vanderbilt (5) and South Carolina (2) etc, etc, etc.

UCONN and the Mormons just don't make any sense to me. Take UC and Houston, I can be disappointed, but live with and understand that. But UCONN? Come on.

my a$$

Also been bowl eligible many more times than UConn's total football history in years.

I don't see UConn getting in the Big 12 but they did at least go to a BCS bowl game a few years ago.

Which was the beginning of the end of the Big East and their P6 status.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_East_C...Bowl_Games

The Big East had an 8–7 record in BCS bowl games, including a 1–2 record in National Championship games.

The Big East was a much better football conference than it was ever given credit for though it did experience quality swings.

To me this perception is an example of how severely media driven narratives effect the realities of college football. The pundits get zeroed in on a narrative for a season and they will play on it and harp on it for the entire year regardless of the reality as it plays out on the field and often that fabrication remains ingrained in the psyche of the casual fan.

A good example of this was a couple of years ago when the SEC hype train was at a fever pitch in the pre-season. ESPN talking heads were selling it as literally the best ever iteration of the best conference in history. It was a huge and committed oversell and it generated fan backlash that ESPN childishly reacted to.

Early on that year there were some match-ups where ranked SEC teams were playing each other. The loser would maybe drop a point in the polls and the winner would vault 3-4 positions. If it was an upset the shift was even more pronounced for the winner. As the season wore on it became clear to any fan that it wasn't superior football being played in the SEC, it was parity and even mediocrity in the supposed "BEST CONFERENCE EVARRR". Even into mid-season there was talk about an all SEC National Championship game (even conversation about a rematch) which was laughable. The narrative in the media was impacting poll voters. ESPN doubled down and rode it out until the SEC had one of its worst bowl seasons in recent history. The whole thing was bad for the sport and embarrassing as hell.

POLL HERE!

Go vote for us! We are losing!

(08-18-2016 12:47 PM)L-yes Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 08:53 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 07:43 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 07:41 PM)sportsfather1 Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 04:06 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  Also been bowl eligible many more times than UConn's total football history in years.

I don't see UConn getting in the Big 12 but they did at least go to a BCS bowl game a few years ago.

Which was the beginning of the end of the Big East and their P6 status.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_East_C...Bowl_Games

The Big East had an 8–7 record in BCS bowl games, including a 1–2 record in National Championship games.

The Big East was a much better football conference than it was ever given credit for though it did experience quality swings.

To me this perception is an example of how severely media driven narratives effect the realities of college football. The pundits get zeroed in on a narrative for a season and they will play on it and harp on it for the entire year regardless of the reality as it plays out on the field and often that fabrication remains ingrained in the psyche of the casual fan.

A good example of this was a couple of years ago when the SEC hype train was at a fever pitch in the pre-season. ESPN talking heads were selling it as literally the best ever iteration of the best conference in history. It was a huge and committed oversell and it generated fan backlash that ESPN childishly reacted to.

Early on that year there were some match-ups where ranked SEC teams were playing each other. The loser would maybe drop a point in the polls and the winner would vault 3-4 positions. If it was an upset the shift was even more pronounced for the winner. As the season wore on it became clear to any fan that it wasn't superior football being played in the SEC, it was parity and even mediocrity in the supposed "BEST CONFERENCE EVARRR". Even into mid-season there was talk about an all SEC National Championship game (even conversation about a rematch) which was laughable. The narrative in the media was impacting poll voters. ESPN doubled down and rode it out until the SEC had one of its worst bowl seasons in recent history. The whole thing was bad for the sport and embarrassing as hell.

ESPN is about selling product. SEC is their CFB baby.

I get what you're saying though.

(08-18-2016 08:53 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(08-18-2016 07:43 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 07:41 PM)sportsfather1 Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 04:06 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(08-17-2016 04:02 PM)cmt Wrote:  Just heard another pundit on 56 say the top four are UC, BYU, Houston and UCONN.

I'm almost ready to say if they take UCONN that the whole thing is garbage and we are, for whatever political, social, economic, reasons, just will always be left out and maybe we should just forget the whole thing. If its all about football, UCONN pales in comparison to Memphis and is a freakin' million miles away. And don't even start on the NYNY market. UCONN has as much of the New York market as Memphis has of the state of Alabama, Texas and Louisiana, maybe less.

UCONN
Started D1 football in 1999, 1999!!!!
Memphis
Stared playing football in 1912 and has been D1 ever since there was such a thing

UCONN
1998 were in the 1-AA playoffs and lost to Georgia Southern
Have appeared in 6 bowl games
Biggest wins
Notre Dame at South Bend in double overtime (2009, Notre Dame was 6-6 that year)
South Carolina, Navy, Cincinnati, Syracuse, Louisville, West Virginia and Memphis

Memphis
7 bowls since 2000, 9 total
Biggest wins
Alabama (1 once), Tennessee (1), Auburn (2), USC, yes Southern Cal, (1), Florida (1), oh, and Cincinnati (19) and Ole Miss (10) and Mississippi State (11) and Arkansas (3) and Louisville (19) and BYU (1) and Florida State (7) and Georgia Tech (1) and Miami (1) and Virginia Tech (3) and Vanderbilt (5) and South Carolina (2) etc, etc, etc.

UCONN and the Mormons just don't make any sense to me. Take UC and Houston, I can be disappointed, but live with and understand that. But UCONN? Come on.

my a$$

Also been bowl eligible many more times than UConn's total football history in years.

I don't see UConn getting in the Big 12 but they did at least go to a BCS bowl game a few years ago.

Which was the beginning of the end of the Big East and their P6 status.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_East_C...Bowl_Games

The Big East had an 8–7 record in BCS bowl games, including a 1–2 record in National Championship games.

One positive metric can't accurately be the basis of a conference's standing as a FB power. Not a bad indicator but certainly not conclusive to reach a position on the strength of the conference relationship to the other then-BCS conferences. And virtually all of that high-level FB performance was by Miami during a relatively short period. Had the BE retained Miami, VT & had Pitt, Louisville & Cincy remained consistently playing high level FB then maybe the old BE could have come to earn more respect as a FB conference. But take away the Miami glory years & the BE is amazingly AAC-like. And that's a testament to UH, Memphis, Temple, Cincy, Navy & other AAC members.

No one said it was the best BCS league out there.

But it does get unfairly knocked at times.

It was a perfectly fine league, if flawed.

My source telling me uconn and ecu, going to acc. Word on the street is Florida st and or Miami or va tech leaving acc

(08-18-2016 05:50 PM)memphisike Wrote:  My source telling me uconn and ecu, going to acc. Word on the street is Florida st and or Miami or va tech leaving acc

Find a new source with some credibility...........

Oh wow, worse predictions than tigerscane.

Whod a thunk it?

Just got this nugget from the Dude, a good possibility Virginia will be in the BIG by 2019, they r real happy with maryland and now want to add Virginia

Yes, I've heard that the Big 10 was interested in moving south. But there is no way Virginia leaves the ACC without risking every cent it makes off of media rights, so it ain't happening.

(08-18-2016 06:27 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  Yes, I've heard that the Big 10 was interested in moving south. But there is no way Virginia leaves the ACC without risking every cent it makes off of media rights, so it ain't happening.

If the B1G wanted it bad enough, I'm sure a deal could be struck that would make UVa and the ACC happy.