(08-15-2016 05:52 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  They should out all three programs plus Connecticut and be done with it. They would not regret it.

I agree. But I think the networks are having an influence on the Big 12 going to 14. The feeling I have is Cincinnati is set. The compromise is going to be just adding one more school and this is the debate I feel is going on with the presidents and the networks. And honestly with the PAC 12 sitting at 12 programs, why does the Big 12 believe 14 is necessary?

I say look at the schools the Big 12 perceives other conferences would want in their conference and those are the serious candidates being considered.

(08-15-2016 07:03 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 03:37 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 02:59 PM)ECU86 Wrote:  Houston makes no sense... adds nothing.. why 5 schools from Texas in the same conference.. that's nuts. BYU, Cinn, make sense.. Then if they go 4... they need to increase the size of the Big 12 foot print.

Because Texas is massive and has more people in it than Ohio, Tennessee, Colorado, Utah, Connecticut, and Idaho combined. The Big 12 is losing the Houston market to the SEC. If the Big 12 passes on UH and another P5 takes us at a later date, they will forever become third fiddle in the soon to be third largest city in the country, a city they supposedly "own".

The ACC also has 8 schools in a smaller footprint than that of the 5 potential Texas schools.

That whole argument is nonsense. You basically want to punish a deserving school for something as arbitrary as where the state lines were drawn. Perhaps if it makes you feel better, you can pretend that Houston is in Louisiana, Lubbock is in New Mexico, and Fort Worth is in Oklahoma.

But Houston is East Carolina of North Carolina.

Except Houston has FAR more history than East Carolina. Houston with 5 major bowl games, to none for ECU.

(08-15-2016 07:50 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 05:52 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  They should out all three programs plus Connecticut and be done with it. They would not regret it.

I agree. But I think the networks are having an influence on the Big 12 going to 14. The feeling I have is Cincinnati is set. The compromise is going to be just adding one more school and this is the debate I feel is going on with the presidents and the networks. And honestly with the PAC 12 sitting at 12 programs, why does the Big 12 believe 14 is necessary?

I say look at the schools the Big 12 perceives other conferences would want in their conference and those are the serious candidates being considered.

The big question to me is it the networks balking or is it just ESPN balking.

(08-15-2016 07:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 07:03 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 03:37 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 02:59 PM)ECU86 Wrote:  Houston makes no sense... adds nothing.. why 5 schools from Texas in the same conference.. that's nuts. BYU, Cinn, make sense.. Then if they go 4... they need to increase the size of the Big 12 foot print.

Because Texas is massive and has more people in it than Ohio, Tennessee, Colorado, Utah, Connecticut, and Idaho combined. The Big 12 is losing the Houston market to the SEC. If the Big 12 passes on UH and another P5 takes us at a later date, they will forever become third fiddle in the soon to be third largest city in the country, a city they supposedly "own".

The ACC also has 8 schools in a smaller footprint than that of the 5 potential Texas schools.

That whole argument is nonsense. You basically want to punish a deserving school for something as arbitrary as where the state lines were drawn. Perhaps if it makes you feel better, you can pretend that Houston is in Louisiana, Lubbock is in New Mexico, and Fort Worth is in Oklahoma.

But Houston is East Carolina of North Carolina.

Except Houston has FAR more history than East Carolina. Houston with 5 major bowl games, to none for ECU.

I'm a huge ECU fan, but the differences don't stop there.

That was a bizarre comparison.

(08-15-2016 07:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 07:50 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 05:52 PM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  They should out all three programs plus Connecticut and be done with it. They would not regret it.

I agree. But I think the networks are having an influence on the Big 12 going to 14. The feeling I have is Cincinnati is set. The compromise is going to be just adding one more school and this is the debate I feel is going on with the presidents and the networks. And honestly with the PAC 12 sitting at 12 programs, why does the Big 12 believe 14 is necessary?

I say look at the schools the Big 12 perceives other conferences would want in their conference and those are the serious candidates being considered.

The big question to me is it the networks balking or is it just ESPN balking.

Definitely ESPN.

There's nothing in it for fox to just accept byu and Houston. That would be an unacceptable compromise for them on all levels of good business sense. That helps espn though. Why would the big12 give a fart what espn thinks after embarrassing them then favoring the ACC? I'll bet you that the big12 talked to fox right before they announced expansion was a definite go. The big12 doesn't have to be afraid of espn as long as they have fox's backing for now and the next contract. That's what the old big East didn't have.

(08-15-2016 08:30 PM)Tigersmoke3 Wrote:  There's nothing in it for fox to just accept byu and Houston. That would be an unacceptable compromise for them on all levels of good business sense. That helps espn though. Why would the big12 give a fart what espn thinks after embarrassing them then favoring the ACC? I'll bet you that the big12 talked to fox right before they announced expansion was a definite go. The big12 doesn't have to be afraid of espn as long as they have fox's backing for now and the next contract. That's what the old big East didn't have.

Fox doesn't really care who the Big 12 invites. But it has been reported that both Fox and ESPN are in favor of BYU joining the conference.

I bet fox is telling them to go as big as possible to squeeze every penny out of espn, could fox be dangling a big fat network carrot in front of them. Uconn's prez along with the others may already be in the know as to the big12's actual plans. For those that don't see what's in it for fox, we'll there is no other way possible for fox to get into football the football crazy southeast and those lucrative media markets

No offense but fox already has all that matters in the west and that's the pac12, but the west coast is not as football crazed as the Midwest and Southeast. That's where all of the highest ratings come from. Fox's best bet is to grab the eastern part first then get the pac12 to grab Houston and one of byu or boise(but I don't think anyone including fox want to deal with byu's religious issues right now).

BYU religious issues aren't issues at all. I understand why the expansion candidates want to make it an issue but it's not like the Mormons being against homosexuality is breaking news. That news was in the news cycle for one day and is already forgotten.

We are going to invite all 18 and bankrupt ESPN.

I don't know how you can say that the news was in the cycle for 1 day and it's totally forgotten by the Big 12 presidents. You have absolutely no way to know that at all whatsoever. It could easily break BYU's chances of making it.

(08-15-2016 09:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't know how you can say that the news was in the cycle for 1 day and it's totally forgotten by the Big 12 presidents. You have absolutely no way to know that at all whatsoever. It could easily break BYU's chances of making it.

I can say it because it's no longer being talked about on the national news outlets. Matter of fact, it only made the bottom of the scroll on CNN, MSNBC, and Fox. Sure the Presidents could be discussing it but nationally it isn't making a splash.

That's fine except for the fact that the presidents are the ones who ultimately count. To say their religious issues aren't issues is frankly ignorant. We don't know what the presidents think. If they don't want to be associated with BYU's religious issues, they won't be in. Period.

(08-15-2016 09:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  That's fine except for the fact that the presidents are the ones who ultimately count. To say their religious issues aren't issues is frankly ignorant. We don't know what the presidents think. If they don't want to be associated with BYU's religious issues, they won't be in. Period.

And if they do get in then BYU religious practices weren't an issue. The Big 12 presidents have long been aware of the Mormons beliefs. The LBGT community trying to make it an issue regarding membership into a college football conference is absurd and ignorant. Period.

(08-15-2016 09:54 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 09:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  That's fine except for the fact that the presidents are the ones who ultimately count. To say their religious issues aren't issues is frankly ignorant. We don't know what the presidents think. If they don't want to be associated with BYU's religious issues, they won't be in. Period.

And if they do get in then BYU religious practices weren't an issue. The Big 12 presidents have long been aware of the Mormons beliefs. The LBGT community trying to make it an issue regarding membership into a college football conference is absurd and ignorant. Period.

Don't be sad when Trump loses in November

Well the fact is BYU hasn't been in the Big 12 yet, so we don't know how the conference feels about them. To act like it's no issue- we just don't know at this point to be able to intelligently make that statement one way or the other.

(08-15-2016 09:56 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 09:54 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(08-15-2016 09:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  That's fine except for the fact that the presidents are the ones who ultimately count. To say their religious issues aren't issues is frankly ignorant. We don't know what the presidents think. If they don't want to be associated with BYU's religious issues, they won't be in. Period.

And if they do get in then BYU religious practices weren't an issue. The Big 12 presidents have long been aware of the Mormons beliefs. The LBGT community trying to make it an issue regarding membership into a college football conference is absurd and ignorant. Period.

Don't be sad when Trump loses in November

I have no problem with the LBGT community. But just because an institution doesn't share your beliefs and that community is now trying to dictate who a 10 member football conference should and should not invite crosses the line.

(08-15-2016 09:59 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Well the fact is BYU hasn't been in the Big 12 yet, so we don't know how the conference feels about them. To act like it's no issue- we just don't know at this point to be able to intelligently make that statement one way or the other.

My opinion is it will be a non issue with the presidents. If you feel otherwise then cool beans.

Anyone who thinks that byu's religious issues towards women and lbgt community are petty has to really be a homer. Why would anyone institution (financial or educational) want to add that dynamic into an already unstable situation? Byu is just not that important especially a network like fox that has their sights set eastward. I think people aren't understanding this is really a hostile Takeover bid by fox. The delay that everyone thinks is dysfunction on the big12's part is probably more so a huge corporate battle over eastern marketshares and contracts.