Texas is stupid if they are thinking of doing that. All it takes is a team from the new comers division is to go undefeated and spank a legacy team in the B12 championship. That team will get a playoff bid and could potentially create a dynasty with all of these sleeping giants they are considering letting in this conference.

It's obvious to me that the OP is jealous of both TC and Btiger

Who is this man?

Nedstrodamus?

The Oracle of Binghampton?

Zoltar?

(07-23-2016 04:58 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  the good news is that we are IN!


Texas had 3 objections to expansion:

1- They don't want to rub elbows with unwashed masses like Memphis, Cincy, and Houston, (they also turn their noses up at 8 of the current Big12 schools )

2- they want more MONEY!

3- they don't want to lose in the championship game.

No, no, and no


1 - Texas and Oklahoma will associate with anyone if it makes the conference stronger and more stable. They may not think Iowa State or Kansas State is all that great, but they compete on the field and bring strong fanbases and stability to the conference so it doesn't matter.
2 - No, Texas already makes more money than anybody else, and since none of the potential schools bring in enough additional monies to bring up the conference payout then expansion only threatens to cut into that pile.
But the Big XII has people begging to leave. What they need is additional schools for a legitimate championship game to help ensure access to the CFP and to help create an identity and reclaim momentum. Granted everything is ultimately about money, but this round of expansion for the Big XII is about stability, identity, and access to the playoff.
3 - Nobody is scared to lose in a championship game - that's like saying you don't want to play in a bowl game or the CFP because you're scared you are going to lose. More often times than not the better, higher seeded team wins and that win over a quality opponent only boosts their hope to get into the playoffs. Additionally, the Big XII already tried the round-robin format for a champion and it arguably came back to bite them in the behind - they need a clear-cut established champion to help propel them into the offseason.

Let me make this clear:
This realignment is not about adding to the pile, its' about survival for the Big XII. With all the other P5 conferences now stable the Big XII has got to ensure access to the CFP else they are going to get raided again and again. Additional schools and CG help with that, and they are willing to risk cutting into the TV pie to ensure that.

Even More click Bait coming out.....Regardless of what MOST think Memphis and Cincy are IN and Have Been In....Memphis and Cincy are Big 12 Country Now....Wait till september.....No Limits...The World Is Ours Memphis....

(07-24-2016 12:03 PM)SMUleopold Wrote:  

(07-23-2016 04:58 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  the good news is that we are IN!


Texas had 3 objections to expansion:

1- They don't want to rub elbows with unwashed masses like Memphis, Cincy, and Houston, (they also turn their noses up at 8 of the current Big12 schools )

2- they want more MONEY!

3- they don't want to lose in the championship game.

No, no, and no


1 - Texas and Oklahoma will associate with anyone if it makes the conference stronger and more stable. They may not think Iowa State or Kansas State is all that great, but they compete on the field and bring strong fanbases and stability to the conference so it doesn't matter.
2 - No, Texas already makes more money than anybody else, and since none of the potential schools bring in enough additional monies to bring up the conference payout then expansion only threatens to cut into that pile.
But the Big XII has people begging to leave. What they need is additional schools for a legitimate championship game to help ensure access to the CFP and to help create an identity and reclaim momentum. Granted everything is ultimately about money, but this round of expansion for the Big XII is about stability, identity, and access to the playoff.
3 - Nobody is scared to lose in a championship game - that's like saying you don't want to play in a bowl game or the CFP because you're scared you are going to lose. More often times than not the better, higher seeded team wins and that win over a quality opponent only boosts their hope to get into the playoffs. Additionally, the Big XII already tried the round-robin format for a champion and it arguably came back to bite them in the behind - they need a clear-cut established champion to help propel them into the offseason.

Let me make this clear:
This realignment is not about adding to the pile, its' about survival for the Big XII. With all the other P5 conferences now stable the Big XII has got to ensure access to the CFP else they are going to get raided again and again. Additional schools and CG help with that, and they are willing to risk cutting into the TV pie to ensure that.

why doesn't the Big 12 establish a GOR a la the ACC?

I don't see a GOR happening b/c I don't see the top couple teams ever agreeing to that at this point in time. Attempting it just to see it fail would look really bad for the conference. though I'm sure the attempt would all be behind closed doors and not leak at first.

I just don't see TX or OK ever agreeing to that in the current, unstable form B12 is in. In the current (even expanded by 2-4 teams) form, a GOR would only benefit the lower teams and hinder the top schools.

(07-25-2016 11:13 AM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  I don't see a GOR happening b/c I don't see the top couple teams ever agreeing to that at this point in time. Attempting it just to see it fail would look really bad for the conference. though I'm sure the attempt would all be behind closed doors and not leak at first.

I just don't see TX or OK ever agreeing to that in the current, unstable form B12 is in. In the current (even expanded by 2-4 teams) form, a GOR would only benefit the lower teams and hinder the top schools.

It would immediately improve stability though. No one would talk of leaving. I mean yeah Texas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State have boosters who could pay their way out of anything...but as long as Texas drives the bus...and the league lets them, why would they want to leave?

The B12 can stabilize it's self as long as they can agree to an expensive exit fee and gor. If they can't agree to those then they will always be unstable. Remember when everyone thought the AAC was gonna fall apart then they added the experience exit fee and the gor. Now no one talks about them being unstable.

(07-23-2016 04:58 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  the good news is that we are IN!

the bad news is that we are going to be one of 6 new teams and the league will not look like we think it will.

Texas had 3 objections to expansion:

1- They don't want to rub elbows with unwashed masses like Memphis, Cincy, and Houston, (they also turn their noses up at 8 of the current Big12 schools )

2- they want more MONEY!

3- they don't want to lose in the championship game.

The Big12 is going to 16 Teams with 2 divisions: the new teams plus ISU and one other will be in the newcomers division(my information is not solid on the other existing member going to the newcomers division, but ISU is a lock) The remaining 8 teams will be in the Legacy Division. The teams will play 8 football game (7 in their division and one 'crossover' game)

Here is what they are doing in one swoop, Texas only has to play ONE 'unwashed masses game every year-so one road game every other year, they are TRIPLING the new income since they will have 6 teams instead of 2 giving up most of their TV money and they are virtually assuring the member of the Legacy division of the Big12 wins the Big 12 Championship Game, therefore going to the playoffs every year.

Along the lines of what I heard, except the move to expand with four new members and look to add two old ones.

The Big 12 is already operating under a GOR agreement...

I live in Austin AMA

Is it as insufferable as I understand it to be from everything I read about it?

I was in Austin as recently as November 2014, but that was just for a weekend and I largely spent all my real time at CotA anyway, so I didn't do a lot of Austin-things.

(07-25-2016 11:41 AM)RandyMc Wrote:  The Big 12 is already operating under a GOR agreement...

thanks for that. Answers my question. I think if I were going to be accepted by the Big 12...that I'd want some kind of extension on that GOR...say 9 or 10 more years, just so I am not shopping for another conference in 2025.

(07-25-2016 01:18 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 11:41 AM)RandyMc Wrote:  The Big 12 is already operating under a GOR agreement...

thanks for that. Answers my question. I think if I were going to be accepted by the Big 12...that I'd want some kind of extension on that GOR...say 9 or 10 more years, just so I am not shopping for another conference in 2025.

What is your leverage to make them do so?

(07-25-2016 01:18 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 11:41 AM)RandyMc Wrote:  The Big 12 is already operating under a GOR agreement...

thanks for that. Answers my question. I think if I were going to be accepted by the Big 12...that I'd want some kind of extension on that GOR...say 9 or 10 more years, just so I am not shopping for another conference in 2025.

IMO, that is an under-reported issue. In 2012, the BIG 12 extended a six-year grant of rights deal to 13 years, so expires after 2024-2025 school year. Texas will not extend its GOR - they want to keep their options open.

So if the 4 chosen schools are asked to take a 7-year phase-in of TV dollars, a cynic might say Texas will take their money and then bolt in 2025 when the current GOR expires. At the least, they will keep this option open. With no Big 12 network being negotiated now, Texas has no reason to extend its GOR.

If you were FedEx, would you commit all these millions of sponsorship $'s to the Big 12, knowing it's a possibility Texas could leave in 8 years? Glad FedEx will probably do so, cause it's a big financial risk.

(07-25-2016 01:49 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 01:18 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 11:41 AM)RandyMc Wrote:  The Big 12 is already operating under a GOR agreement...

thanks for that. Answers my question. I think if I were going to be accepted by the Big 12...that I'd want some kind of extension on that GOR...say 9 or 10 more years, just so I am not shopping for another conference in 2025.

IMO, that is an under-reported issue. In 2012, the BIG 12 extended a six-year grant of rights deal to 13 years, so expires after 2024-2025 school year. Texas will not extend its GOR - they want to keep their options open.

So if the 4 chosen schools are asked to take a 7-year phase-in of TV dollars, a cynic might say Texas will take their money and then bolt in 2025 when the current GOR expires. At the least, they will keep this option open. With no Big 12 network being negotiated now, Texas has no reason to extend its GOR.

If you were FedEx, would you commit all these millions of sponsorship $'s to the Big 12, knowing it's a possibility Texas could leave in 8 years? Glad FedEx will probably do so, cause it's a big financial risk.

They would do it for the same time frame more than likely, to keep it on the same schedule as the overall media deal, so it's not really a risk. If it all did fall apart after that period, then maybe they don't renew the agreement.

(07-25-2016 01:34 PM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 01:18 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 11:41 AM)RandyMc Wrote:  The Big 12 is already operating under a GOR agreement...

thanks for that. Answers my question. I think if I were going to be accepted by the Big 12...that I'd want some kind of extension on that GOR...say 9 or 10 more years, just so I am not shopping for another conference in 2025.

What is your leverage to make them do so?

good question. They already have money and power. There isn't anything the incoming schools could do but ask "pretty please."

Was thinking out loud:
The other Big 12 schools should look at balancing the power in the conference between all the schools.
Texas is reluctant to give up their football network...because they get some good money from it, which is why other conferences might think twice before taking them.
The PAC's network money isn't much more than the Big 12's, would they let Texas have its OWN network? Nah.
The SEC wouldn't put up with it either. The Big 10 already has a network...so Texas will eventually have to give in on that...or stay put where they are.
KNOWING that Texas is power hungry as they are...would another conference cowtow to them?

(07-25-2016 03:16 PM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 01:49 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 01:18 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  

(07-25-2016 11:41 AM)RandyMc Wrote:  The Big 12 is already operating under a GOR agreement...

thanks for that. Answers my question. I think if I were going to be accepted by the Big 12...that I'd want some kind of extension on that GOR...say 9 or 10 more years, just so I am not shopping for another conference in 2025.

IMO, that is an under-reported issue. In 2012, the BIG 12 extended a six-year grant of rights deal to 13 years, so expires after 2024-2025 school year. Texas will not extend its GOR - they want to keep their options open.

So if the 4 chosen schools are asked to take a 7-year phase-in of TV dollars, a cynic might say Texas will take their money and then bolt in 2025 when the current GOR expires. At the least, they will keep this option open. With no Big 12 network being negotiated now, Texas has no reason to extend its GOR.

If you were FedEx, would you commit all these millions of sponsorship $'s to the Big 12, knowing it's a possibility Texas could leave in 8 years? Glad FedEx will probably do so, cause it's a big financial risk.

They would do it for the same time frame more than likely, to keep it on the same schedule as the overall media deal, so it's not really a risk. If it all did fall apart after that period, then maybe they don't renew the agreement.

Probably right. Just to play devil's advocate, what if B12 expansion committee/Bowlsby say "OK FedEx, commit for 15 years, and UM is in. Irregardless of who might leave in 2025." Odds are FedEx still says yes, but at some point B12 demands could get unreasonable.

A) FedEx isn't a billion dollar company for being stupid. As a vendor for FedEx for 18 yrs I can attest every low, mid, & upper level manager/exec only negotiates deals which will make FDX money.

B) The above comment is something I believe 200%. On Ned's post, I actually like the format. This gives the Newcomers time to Catch Up. Plus I also like our chances in a one game David vs Goliath type format. Take the Tiger team who won 9 regular season games and beat BYU in the Miami Bowl. With a break here and there that team could have pulled off an upset over a strong Okalahoma or Texas

In a one game scenario anything can happen.

Bring on the Legends vs Newcomers.

Give us 4-5 yrs getting the same benefits as other P5 teams and we will be able to stand Toe to Toe with anyone in the country