Another WVU idiot.....

(06-30-2016 07:46 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  More gold from The Dude. This jewel written 4 days after The ACC signed its GOR. Note the all knowing Dude doesn't know it....lol

Wep...his "sources" did him no favors...lol

Maize I screen shot most of these before he could tidy up after the GOR was announced. Every time he starts a thread on Twitter about expansion I drop a tweet with one of these jewels in the middle of it. Shuts it down cold. I answer with a simple my job is done here....lol
CJ

Despite the idiot WVU fans, that I hope are a minority, the premise of this thread is blatantly unfair to WVU. Oliver Luck had no choice but to pursue and accept the invite when offered by The Big 12. If WVU hadn't Louisville would have.

Luck had no way of knowing that Maryland would jump to The Big Ten and create an ACC opening. WVU took The Big 12 invite knowing that travel was going to be difficult.

Louisville was next in line for The Big 12 when Maryland left The ACC. Exactly where Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, UConn, BYU and others are now.

The Big 12 made a serious tactical error not taking Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis when they invited WVU.
CJ

WVU jumped into a sinking lifeboat with nobody who speaks the same language.

WVU is really an example to the rest of college football of what it is like to end up an outlier.

its a shame the former BE FB schools couldn't work together and form a FB league instead of all going their own way

(06-30-2016 09:38 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 09:08 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  But unless and until West Virginia starts going to NY6 bowls again from the Big 12, the promise of extra future money seems pretty hollow. Extra future money doesn't buy much happiness.

Winning does.

Being in "the club" is better, in the eyes of coaches, administrators, and boosters, than winning outside of it. WVU wouldn't want to trade places with Northern Illinois, but NIU would trade places with WVU in a heartbeat even if it meant that NIU football would never finish among the top 4 in the Big 12.

Sadly, fans are thinking that way too now days. Instead of compiling 5 trophies in the AAC, we'd rather be 4-8 every year in a P5 conference. It's kind of crazy when you think about it. Hypothetical:
Houston fans: "We won the AAC 5 years straight. A conference trophy 5 years now!"
Purdue fans: "We have had 5 straight losing seasons, but we get more tv dollars than you!"
It is odd from a purely competition, Wins & Losses stand point isn't it?

Cheers!

(06-30-2016 08:02 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Maize I screen shot most of these before he could tidy up after the GOR was announced. Every time he starts a thread on Twitter about expansion I drop a tweet with one of these jewels in the middle of it. Shuts it down cold. I answer with a simple my job is done here....lol
CJ

I like that you do that CJ.
Cheers!

(06-30-2016 04:29 PM)megadrone Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 04:04 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 02:15 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 01:29 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-30-2016 01:10 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  So the Big 12 has hurt West Virginia in the football win column.

And it has hurt West Virginia in the football season ticket column.

But it has helped them financially, so that doesn't matter.

Got it.

The question I would have is this. Why do you want bad things for West Virginia? Could there be some jealousy going on here?

Not at all.

I think it's a lesson in be careful what you wish for.

We have a lot of Houston fans who think that a P5 bid automatically means more season tickets. West Virginia proves that may not be true.

In 2011 West Virginia's average attendance was 56,532. In the Big XII, in 2014 they averaged 56,686. Their attendance has been steady for years, and continues to be steady. I fail to see how they have suffered at the gate, as your OP suggests they have.

Forgive me for suspecting that your OP is just sour grapes. If you weren't a fan of a school on the outside looking in, you might have more credibility. West Virginia didn't join the Big XII in hopes of seeing a big boost in their attendance. They did it so as not to suffer the fate of Cincy and UConn. I'd say that was a smart move on their part, if it hadn't been a decision that anyone with half a brain would have made.

Those of us in the Big East with a chance to leave, left. Just like those with a chance to leave Conference USA , left. No brainers for all who made the move, but WVU to the Big 12 might have been the worst of the moves (outside of Idaho and New Mexico to the Sun Belt).

6 conferences consolidated down to 5, since the only 1996 Big East football school that doesn't now have a P conference home is Temple. If you consider the SWC as well, add Houston, Rice and SMU to those consolidated out. Louisville and Utah got invitations in.

"Outside of Idaho and New Mexico to the Sun Belt"
Wow, that was a bad move when the University of New Mexico went to the Sun Belt. That one slipped by me!

Cheers!

(06-30-2016 08:12 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Despite the idiot WVU fans, that I hope are a minority, the premise of this thread is blatantly unfair to WVU. Oliver Luck had no choice but to pursue and accept the invite when offered by The Big 12. If WVU hadn't Louisville would have.

Luck had no way of knowing that Maryland would jump to The Big Ten and create an ACC opening. WVU took The Big 12 invite knowing that travel was going to be difficult.

Louisville was next in line for The Big 12 when Maryland left The ACC. Exactly where Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston, UConn, BYU and others are now.

The Big 12 made a serious tactical error not taking Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis when they invited WVU.
CJ

Exactly....at that point in time WVU made the right decision...can't blame them at all

(06-30-2016 08:26 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  WVU jumped into a sinking lifeboat with nobody who speaks the same language.

WVU is really an example to the rest of college football of what it is like to end up an outlier.

Nebraska is hailing you on VHF channel 16

Actually I thought WVU sports had a pretty good year.

Football won 8 games (could have been 10 but that's a different topic)
Baksetball --top 15
Women's hoops ncaas
Women's soccer ncaas
Rifle-4th straight national championship
Baseball- big 12 title game
And wrestling has been much improved

--still have sports like volleyball and golf that need a lot of work but overall a good year. Certainly not a Boston College situation where football and basketball just go in the toilet at the same time.

Jackson

WVU absolutely made the correct move at the time when the Big 12 offered them membership. Syracuse and Pitt were on their way to the ACC. The Big East would lose its BCS bowl auto bid at the end of the contract no matter if they stayed or bailed. And when Rutgers and Maryland accepted Big 10 invitations and the ACC back filled with Louisville, it doesn't take Captain Obvious to make the choice between playing in conference with a legitimate chance for a national championship or share the same fate with UCinn, UConn and USF.

I've never understood the hate WVU gets for making a decision that any school in its situation would've done. If not WVU, another school such as Louisville would've taken their spot and they would be miserable in the American thinking "what could've been" like UConn and Cincy.

(06-30-2016 11:56 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I've never understood the hate WVU gets for making a decision that any school in its situation would've done.

It's jealousy. Obviously, joining the Big 12 was the only move for WVU to make, and they are far better off being in the Big 12 than they would be in the AAC.

Heck, the later dissolution of the Big East and then the financial collapse of the AAC removed any doubt. And there wasn't any doubt to begin with.

I sure as hell wish USF had been in WVU's shoes since 2012. I'd be counting my blessings.

Whether it was "the right move" was not the question.

The question was: Has the result of the move been postive for (or has it hurt) the football program?

The distinction is not subtle. Many "correct" decisions don't turn out well.

Think of it like this: "How is the correct decision West Virgina made working out for them in football?"

The better question would be... would WV be better off had they not moved? The answer is no

(06-30-2016 11:56 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  I've never understood the hate WVU gets for making a decision that any school in its situation would've done. If not WVU, another school such as Louisville would've taken their spot and they would be miserable in the American thinking "what could've been" like UConn and Cincy.

I can't speak for fans of AAC schools, but for ACC schools I think the issue with WVU came about because of the extreme boasting about how the Big XII was going to poach the ACC into oblivion. What goes around, comes around.

I think any reasonable person would agree WVU (the school) made the best of a bad situation by accepting an invitation to join the Big XII. The way they left - breaking contracts, leaving opponents with a hole in their schedule, etc. - probably also created some ill feelings.

Having said all that, I wish WVU fans all the best, I look forward to future games between VT and WVU, and if it works out that way I'm sure ACC fans would welcome them into the conference someday... just don't throw any beer bottles at us, please!

(07-01-2016 07:02 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The better question would be... would WV be better off had they not moved? The answer is no

You are back stuck on the "right move" question.

Try to keep up.

Playing in the best football conference we have ever been a part of. We play Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma St, and TCU every year. Lots of great fans in the Big 12. Making big bucks. Team has more depth. If Dana ever gets a stud at qb (next year) we gonna be real good.

So, no. Dumb question. Next.