BYU and Boise to the west. Cincy to the east and North Dakota State.

(06-06-2016 07:21 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  BYU and Boise to the west. Cincy to the east and North Dakota State.

I thought of ND State, but I would believe N. Ill before them.

(06-06-2016 06:16 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis.

I've had BYU and Cincinnati at the top of my list for months, with Houston as the dark horse.

I don't know why some folks think Memphis lacks the academics to be acceptable to the Big 12. University presidents pay more attention to research rankings than anything else when assessing academic status and Memphis has the Carnegie Foundation's second-highest research rating, R2 (Doctoral Universities - Higher research activity). That's the same Carnegie rating as TCU and Baylor, and BYU for that matter. Boise State by contrast is rated R3 (Doctoral Universities - Moderate research activity) and that's a very recent step up from Boise State's longtime Carnegie classification as a Master's level university.

Hey, somebody who knows what they are talking about. There is not a damn thing wrong with Memphis' academics. Thank goodness we are smart enough to explain that to the Big 12. And Boren actually mentioned research rankings last Friday.

We have an academic perception problem with message board posters. That won't keep us out, lol.

(06-06-2016 07:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 06:16 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis.

I've had BYU and Cincinnati at the top of my list for months, with Houston as the dark horse.

I don't know why some folks think Memphis lacks the academics to be acceptable to the Big 12. University presidents pay more attention to research rankings than anything else when assessing academic status and Memphis has the Carnegie Foundation's second-highest research rating, R2 (Doctoral Universities - Higher research activity). That's the same Carnegie rating as TCU and Baylor, and BYU for that matter. Boise State by contrast is rated R3 (Doctoral Universities - Moderate research activity) and that's a very recent step up from Boise State's longtime Carnegie classification as a Master's level university.

Hey, somebody who knows what they are talking about. There is not a damn thing wrong with Memphis' academics. Thank goodness we are smart enough to explain that to the Big 12. And Boren actually mentioned research rankings last Friday.

We have an academic perception problem with message board posters. That won't keep us out, lol.

It's significantly more pervasive than just with message board posters.

(06-06-2016 03:56 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  Have read a couple of articles that say, since there will be no Big 12 Network that means the conference should add the best schools for football and partially basketball. Local TV market will not matter.

So who would be the best 4 (even if only 2 are added)?

I noticed both articles left out Boise State.

I really don't understand the premise. If there isn't going to be a network in any case, then why should the conference add anybody? And if you aren't going to add anybody, what's the point of ranking the ones you don't want to add in some order?

(06-06-2016 07:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 06:16 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis.

I've had BYU and Cincinnati at the top of my list for months, with Houston as the dark horse.

I don't know why some folks think Memphis lacks the academics to be acceptable to the Big 12. University presidents pay more attention to research rankings than anything else when assessing academic status and Memphis has the Carnegie Foundation's second-highest research rating, R2 (Doctoral Universities - Higher research activity). That's the same Carnegie rating as TCU and Baylor, and BYU for that matter. Boise State by contrast is rated R3 (Doctoral Universities - Moderate research activity) and that's a very recent step up from Boise State's longtime Carnegie classification as a Master's level university.

Hey, somebody who knows what they are talking about. There is not a damn thing wrong with Memphis' academics. Thank goodness we are smart enough to explain that to the Big 12. And Boren actually mentioned research rankings last Friday.

We have an academic perception problem with message board posters. That won't keep us out, lol.

And UAB is ranked "Doctoral Universities: Highest Research Activity," the same as Harvard and Yale. Clearly, the Big12 is simply waiting for our football reboot.

(06-06-2016 07:56 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 03:56 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  Have read a couple of articles that say, since there will be no Big 12 Network that means the conference should add the best schools for football and partially basketball. Local TV market will not matter.

So who would be the best 4 (even if only 2 are added)?

I noticed both articles left out Boise State.

I really don't understand the premise. If there isn't going to be a network in any case, then why should the conference add anybody? And if you aren't going to add anybody, what's the point of ranking the ones you don't want to add in some order?

Because the conference gets a full alloted share for each added school. The conference decides how those shares are divided out.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-footbal...expanding/

Boise State and BYU can bring their existing contracts with them which could be added to the Big 12's contract which means more money being added. It could be negotiated as part of the Big 12's ESPN's contract.

Boise State/BYU
Oklahoma/Oklahoma State
Kansas/Kansas State
Iowa State/Memphis
Cincinnati/West Virginia
Texas/Baylor
Texas Tech/TCU

That is 14.

Memphis would be Iowa State's travel partner.

(06-06-2016 07:35 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 07:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 06:16 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  BYU, Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis.

I've had BYU and Cincinnati at the top of my list for months, with Houston as the dark horse.

I don't know why some folks think Memphis lacks the academics to be acceptable to the Big 12. University presidents pay more attention to research rankings than anything else when assessing academic status and Memphis has the Carnegie Foundation's second-highest research rating, R2 (Doctoral Universities - Higher research activity). That's the same Carnegie rating as TCU and Baylor, and BYU for that matter. Boise State by contrast is rated R3 (Doctoral Universities - Moderate research activity) and that's a very recent step up from Boise State's longtime Carnegie classification as a Master's level university.

Hey, somebody who knows what they are talking about. There is not a damn thing wrong with Memphis' academics. Thank goodness we are smart enough to explain that to the Big 12. And Boren actually mentioned research rankings last Friday.

We have an academic perception problem with message board posters. That won't keep us out, lol.

It's significantly more pervasive than just with message board posters.

Yeah, and they're all wrong. And it's not an issue.

Here is a write up on why Boise State should be in the Big 12.

http://bronconationnews.com/boise-state-...able-look/

Another gem out there that he pointed out that Boise State could restart their baseball program.

Boise State's have success in other sports besides football and basketball.

Boise is actually have more population than Des Moines, Iowa and Madison, Wisconsin. They are 81st largest city in the USA.

Boise State is now going be in the running as a national university in the rankings of the USNWR because of their R3 ratings from Carnegie. They won't be regional. There is plans that they will be adding more research degrees in the future to climb to R2. They were just a Junior College back in the 1960's, and in a short period of time, they become a huge monster growing in academics and sports.

(06-06-2016 06:26 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 05:02 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 04:46 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  If it's really about adding the best football school going forward, and nothing else, the top four are BYU, ECU, Cincinnati, and Boise. In that order.

But the Big 12's repeated mention of the importance of "academics" rules out ECU and especially Boise. IMO their replacement on the list would be a crapshoot between Houston, Memphis, UCF, and USF.

If academics rule out ECU and Boise, they also rule out Memphis. USF really hasn't done much athletically in terms of the revenue sports.

The order would probably go:

1. BYU
2. Cincinnati
3. Houston
4. UCF

It's UCF that hasn't done anything athletically..


American Cup Final Standings released today:


Congrats to UCONN who wins the 2015-16 American Cup. Most Improved goes to USF who added 23 points to their total and finished second. Biggest failure goes to UCF who dropped 33 points year over year and ended up in 9th.

Uconn 126.5
USF 123
Tulsa 118.5
Houston 96
Cincinnati 93.5
Memphis 93
ECarolina 89
SMU 86.5
UCF 86
Temple 85
Tulane 67

I'm not even going to troll you about this, it's just too much fun reading your stuff.

1.) BYU
2.) Cincinnati
3.) Houston
4.) Colorado State

The Big 12 should go to 14 and if it works out well, why not add UCF and USF and become the Big 16.

I think the priority should be on schools that are "ready" to handle the financial responsibilities of a P5 conference.

UConn
Cincinnati
Memphis
BYU

Those are 4 schools that have athletic name recognition and are thought of as sports schools by the general public.

ECU & Houston are pretty anonymus. Colorado State is a mid major athletically. Boise has no upside.

(06-06-2016 11:47 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I think the priority should be on schools that are "ready" to handle the financial responsibilities of a P5 conference.

UConn
Cincinnati
Memphis
BYU

Those are 4 schools that have athletic name recognition and are thought of as sports schools by the general public.

ECU & Houston are pretty anonymus. Colorado State is a mid major athletically. Boise has no upside.

Boise State > UConn Basketball does not count in football world. UConn is only known for football, and that is it. The key word if Football.

(06-07-2016 02:01 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 11:47 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I think the priority should be on schools that are "ready" to handle the financial responsibilities of a P5 conference.

UConn
Cincinnati
Memphis
BYU

Those are 4 schools that have athletic name recognition and are thought of as sports schools by the general public.

ECU & Houston are pretty anonymus. Colorado State is a mid major athletically. Boise has no upside.

Boise State > UConn Basketball does not count in football world. UConn is only known for football, and that is it. The key word if Football.

Tell me when Boise St. is in the top 50

(06-06-2016 04:46 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  If it's really about adding the best football school going forward, and nothing else, the top four are BYU, ECU, Cincinnati, and Boise. In that order.

But the Big 12's repeated mention of the importance of "academics" rules out ECU and especially Boise. IMO their replacement on the list would be a crapshoot between Houston, Memphis, UCF, and USF.

Dude please. ECU is ranked not far behind UCF & USF in the USNWR (#194) & WVU is only #175.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreview...rsity-2923

Memphis isn't even ranked & BSU isn't even a nat'l university. Get your facts right pal.

There is no reason to add without network. The only answer is no school.

(06-06-2016 08:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Boise State and BYU can bring their existing contracts with them which could be added to the Big 12's contract which means more money being added. It could be negotiated as part of the Big 12's ESPN's contract.

Boise State/BYU
Oklahoma/Oklahoma State
Kansas/Kansas State
Iowa State/Memphis
Cincinnati/West Virginia
Texas/Baylor
Texas Tech/TCU

That is 14.

Memphis would be Iowa State's travel partner.

Boise doesn't have a contract to bring. ESPN bought MWC games not Boise games.

(06-06-2016 10:20 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Here is a write up on why Boise State should be in the Big 12.

http://bronconationnews.com/boise-state-...able-look/

Another gem out there that he pointed out that Boise State could restart their baseball program.

Boise State's have success in other sports besides football and basketball.

Boise is actually have more population than Des Moines, Iowa and Madison, Wisconsin. They are 81st largest city in the USA.

Boise State is now going be in the running as a national university in the rankings of the USNWR because of their R3 ratings from Carnegie. They won't be regional. There is plans that they will be adding more research degrees in the future to climb to R2. They were just a Junior College back in the 1960's, and in a short period of time, they become a huge monster growing in academics and sports.

Pure comedy.

(06-07-2016 02:01 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 11:47 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I think the priority should be on schools that are "ready" to handle the financial responsibilities of a P5 conference.

UConn
Cincinnati
Memphis
BYU

Those are 4 schools that have athletic name recognition and are thought of as sports schools by the general public.

ECU & Houston are pretty anonymus. Colorado State is a mid major athletically. Boise has no upside.

Boise State > UConn Basketball does not count in football world. UConn is only known for football, and that is it. The key word if Football.

I think you mean that UConn is only known for basketball.