Why would I admit such a thing. I didn't misread. He other didn't misread. You just didn't express what you thought you did. You can repeat it over and over, and lead down the path that lead you to previous bans, but you are in error here, and to try to insult others about reading comprehension because of your own grammical misstructure and typos is sad and pathetic. Especially when you cleared errored.

And the second post proves your lack of expression, as you now have one post without a question mark you claim was a question, and one with a question mark you claim was a statement. I know your post was in reference to number 73. And you have a question mark on it, and then claimed the response proved you were right. But you claim you are asking a question. Further proves you created your own issues, and it's not anyone misreading your posts. It's YOU!

(05-27-2016 07:57 AM)FrancisDrake Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 07:25 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  The Penn State situation was worse, IMO. Still, some NCAA sanctions would seem to be appropriate.

Of course. I don't understand the sentiment that the NCAA has no place in this or the similar situations. They are criminal acts yes and the legal system should punish those involved and responsible. They are also failures on the part of athletic administrators, coaches etc. This makes it an NCAA issue too. Its not like the NCAA is pushing the legal system out of the way to intact its version of justice. These are failures by athletic staff and sometimes entire athletic administrations.

Honestly, situations like this, PSU, UNC these schools should be facing punishment from the legal system, the DoE, the NCAA, and their state governments. They all have a part in higher education and there isn't a black & white line between that and athletics.

This is more direct than penn state. Still a little of a gray area. Special benefits for athletes? No reports to police or title ix admins?

corbett,

Let's take our personal disagreement to PM.

1 difference between Baylor & Penn St is that athletes are involved & that will give the NCAA an avenue to enforce penalties. There is a direct connection to the Baylor athletic department.

(05-27-2016 09:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  So again, let me attempt to ask people if we can clarify something:

I've still yet to read what Briles has actually done. What did he actually do???? Other than be a guy that apparently some people didn't like.

If you just listened to people on this board, you would assume he destroyed rape kits, threatened rape victims, broke rapist players out of jail, etc. Obviously none of that happened.


People, don't be sheep. Don't let your thoughts be so easily shaped by people in power who want to shape them. Question what others tell you. Don't swallow a low-hanging fruit, hook line and sinker, without looking it over once or twice.

What did he do? He prioritized his football team roster over the safety and well being of Baylor students and other women. Did he obstruct justice? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer but he certainly impeded it by trying to discourage victims from reporting the attacks and by not reporting himself what he knew. These are pretty clear and blatant violations of Title 9 as best as I can tell. Should the NCAA have any authority in the matter? I think they should, if they don't then the member schools should amend the bylaws so that they can punish the programs. If they don't it won't be long before congress steps in and does it for them. I love college sports but if a winning team becomes more important to a school than the safety of it's students and community then they need to take a step back and reevaluate the situation and if they don't the NCAA should step in and force them to. Penn St should have received a death penalty and Baylor should too IMO.

(05-27-2016 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 09:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  So again, let me attempt to ask people if we can clarify something:

I've still yet to read what Briles has actually done. What did he actually do???? Other than be a guy that apparently some people didn't like.

If you just listened to people on this board, you would assume he destroyed rape kits, threatened rape victims, broke rapist players out of jail, etc. Obviously none of that happened.


People, don't be sheep. Don't let your thoughts be so easily shaped by people in power who want to shape them. Question what others tell you. Don't swallow a low-hanging fruit, hook line and sinker, without looking it over once or twice.

What did he do? He prioritized his football team roster over the safety and well being of Baylor students and other women. Did he obstruct justice? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer but he certainly impeded it by trying to discourage victims from reporting the attacks and by not reporting himself what he knew. These are pretty clear and blatant violations of Title 9 as best as I can tell. Should the NCAA have any authority in the matter? I think they should, if they don't then the member schools should amend the bylaws so that they can punish the programs. If they don't it won't be long before congress steps in and does it for them. I love college sports but if a winning team becomes more important to a school than the safety of it's students and community then they need to take a step back and reevaluate the situation and if they don't the NCAA should step in and force them to. Penn St should have received a death penalty and Baylor should too IMO.

Duke Lacrosse anyone? Admittedly, I don't fully understand the situation here and what has been proven about Briles and what is conjecture. Hopefully we have all learned from the Duke deal and should be smart enough to look at both sides of the story before taking Dodd's ( and others) word as gospel.

Thank you Shox. That's all I ask!


Mturn017,

But did Briles actually, himeself, discourage victims from reporting attacks??? Are you sure that you aren't just remembering what loki posted earlier, from the report that says Baylor administrators discouraged victims from reporting??

The Title IX stuff I don't understand, either. Title IX has to do with sexual discrimination. For example, providing equal opportunities to females to participate in inter-collegiate athletics.

(05-27-2016 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 09:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  So again, let me attempt to ask people if we can clarify something:

I've still yet to read what Briles has actually done. What did he actually do???? Other than be a guy that apparently some people didn't like.

If you just listened to people on this board, you would assume he destroyed rape kits, threatened rape victims, broke rapist players out of jail, etc. Obviously none of that happened.


People, don't be sheep. Don't let your thoughts be so easily shaped by people in power who want to shape them. Question what others tell you. Don't swallow a low-hanging fruit, hook line and sinker, without looking it over once or twice.

What did he do? He prioritized his football team roster over the safety and well being of Baylor students and other women. Did he obstruct justice? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer but he certainly impeded it by trying to discourage victims from reporting the attacks and by not reporting himself what he knew. These are pretty clear and blatant violations of Title 9 as best as I can tell. Should the NCAA have any authority in the matter? I think they should, if they don't then the member schools should amend the bylaws so that they can punish the programs. If they don't it won't be long before congress steps in and does it for them. I love college sports but if a winning team becomes more important to a school than the safety of it's students and community then they need to take a step back and reevaluate the situation and if they don't the NCAA should step in and force them to. Penn St should have received a death penalty and Baylor should too IMO.

So your going to punish future students for the acts those that have/will be fired. That is going to far, lets not forget the goal is to help young people not punish them. Why compound the mess by making a bigger mess. Look at SMU, they still have not recovered from the death penalty, and probably never will.

Should they clean house yes, but lets not stop providing opportunities for young adults. That's why punishments on future students do not work. You want to make it hurt take money from the University.. which they will not do.

(05-27-2016 09:51 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 09:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  So again, let me attempt to ask people if we can clarify something:

I've still yet to read what Briles has actually done. What did he actually do???? Other than be a guy that apparently some people didn't like.

If you just listened to people on this board, you would assume he destroyed rape kits, threatened rape victims, broke rapist players out of jail, etc. Obviously none of that happened.


People, don't be sheep. Don't let your thoughts be so easily shaped by people in power who want to shape them. Question what others tell you. Don't swallow a low-hanging fruit, hook line and sinker, without looking it over once or twice.

What did he do? He prioritized his football team roster over the safety and well being of Baylor students and other women. Did he obstruct justice? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer but he certainly impeded it by trying to discourage victims from reporting the attacks and by not reporting himself what he knew. These are pretty clear and blatant violations of Title 9 as best as I can tell. Should the NCAA have any authority in the matter? I think they should, if they don't then the member schools should amend the bylaws so that they can punish the programs. If they don't it won't be long before congress steps in and does it for them. I love college sports but if a winning team becomes more important to a school than the safety of it's students and community then they need to take a step back and reevaluate the situation and if they don't the NCAA should step in and force them to. Penn St should have received a death penalty and Baylor should too IMO.

Duke Lacrosse anyone? Admittedly, I don't fully understand the situation here and what has been proven about Briles and what is conjecture. Hopefully we have all learned from the Duke deal and should be smart enough to look at both sides of the story before taking Dodd's ( and others) word as gospel.

By all means there should be due process but that's exactly what was lacking at Baylor. You don't need to take Dodd's word for it there was a an Independent review conducted by law firm Pepper Hamilton. This isn't about the player's guilt or innocence, its about the University's and more specifically the AD and football programs response to allegations. Here's the report if it hasn't been posted. Pages 10-12 are particularly damning.

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/...F_FACT.pdf

Excellent point Greenroom.

Those who committed the wrongdoings have been punished. Why do people who had nothing to do with the wrongdoings need to be punished too??

Mturn,

Fine, so let Baylor fire those people. Let them even self-impose sanctions on their athletic programs, if they choose to do that.

Why do you wish to squeeze blood from a turnip??


Did SMU's death penalty discourage other schools from cheating? You're not proving any point to anyone.

OK, I've been posting a lot in this thread.

I think it's time for me to step back and leave it to others to have a say. I think my opinions are pretty well known at this point.

(05-27-2016 09:57 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Thank you Shox. That's all I ask!


Mturn017,

But did Briles actually, himeself, discourage victims from reporting attacks??? Are you sure that you aren't just remembering what loki posted earlier, from the report that says Baylor administrators discouraged victims from reporting??

The Title IX stuff I don't understand, either. Title IX has to do with sexual discrimination. For example, providing equal opportunities to females to participate in inter-collegiate athletics.

Briles himself? I don't know. Football staff and coaches, yes. Title 9 reaches much further than that. See the link I provided for a better understanding of both of these issue.

(05-27-2016 10:00 AM)Greenroom Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 09:43 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 09:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  So again, let me attempt to ask people if we can clarify something:

I've still yet to read what Briles has actually done. What did he actually do???? Other than be a guy that apparently some people didn't like.

If you just listened to people on this board, you would assume he destroyed rape kits, threatened rape victims, broke rapist players out of jail, etc. Obviously none of that happened.


People, don't be sheep. Don't let your thoughts be so easily shaped by people in power who want to shape them. Question what others tell you. Don't swallow a low-hanging fruit, hook line and sinker, without looking it over once or twice.

What did he do? He prioritized his football team roster over the safety and well being of Baylor students and other women. Did he obstruct justice? I don't know, I'm not a lawyer but he certainly impeded it by trying to discourage victims from reporting the attacks and by not reporting himself what he knew. These are pretty clear and blatant violations of Title 9 as best as I can tell. Should the NCAA have any authority in the matter? I think they should, if they don't then the member schools should amend the bylaws so that they can punish the programs. If they don't it won't be long before congress steps in and does it for them. I love college sports but if a winning team becomes more important to a school than the safety of it's students and community then they need to take a step back and reevaluate the situation and if they don't the NCAA should step in and force them to. Penn St should have received a death penalty and Baylor should too IMO.

So your going to punish future students for the acts those that have/will be fired. That is going to far, lets not forget the goal is to help young people not punish them. Why compound the mess by making a bigger mess. Look at SMU, they still have not recovered from the death penalty, and probably never will.

Should they clean house yes, but lets not stop providing opportunities for young adults. That's why punishments on future students do not work. You want to make it hurt take money from the University.. which they will not do.

I wouldn't want to punish the T&F team for the actions of the football team and the NCAA should accomodate the football players on the team to move to other teams. Future players can play somewhere else. With the money involved in CF you can't create a situation where even if you're caught and fully punished you come out better than if you hadn't broken the rules in the first place. It's going to keep happening.

(05-27-2016 10:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  OK, I've been posting a lot in this thread.

I think it's time for me to step back and leave it to others to have a say. I think my opinions are pretty well known at this point.

I hope you at least better understand what happened because earlier in the thread you seemed woefully unaware.

"Football coaches and staff took affirmative steps to maintain internal control over discipline of players and to actively divert cases from the student conduct or criminal processes. In some cases, football coaches and staff had inappropriate involvement in disciplinary and criminal matters or engaged in improper conduct that reinforced an overall perception that football was above the rules, and that there was no culture of accountability for misconduct."

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/...F_FACT.pdf

(05-27-2016 09:04 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Francis (#92),

So your argument is that if its an athletic administrator who commits a crime, as an individual person, simply because he's an athletic administrator means that the NCAA then gets to do whatever it wants??

Absurd.

If the crime is done in a effort to gain athletic advantage. Absolutely.

(05-27-2016 10:40 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(05-27-2016 10:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  OK, I've been posting a lot in this thread.

I think it's time for me to step back and leave it to others to have a say. I think my opinions are pretty well known at this point.

I hope you at least better understand what happened because earlier in the thread you seemed woefully unaware.

"Football coaches and staff took affirmative steps to maintain internal control over discipline of players and to actively divert cases from the student conduct or criminal processes. In some cases, football coaches and staff had inappropriate involvement in disciplinary and criminal matters or engaged in improper conduct that reinforced an overall perception that football was above the rules, and that there was no culture of accountability for misconduct."

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/...F_FACT.pdf

But that is just cheap click bait for the media. Nothing to see here.

(05-27-2016 09:14 AM)bullet Wrote:  This is more direct than penn state. Still a little of a gray area. Special benefits for athletes? No reports to police or title ix admins?

This is where it becomes very interesting.

If there are Title XI issues, the NCAA has an out because they would(rightfully so, unfortunately) to sit back and wait for the findings of an Federal Invegastion. They would run out the clock to see what happens and might not do anything.

(05-27-2016 09:57 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Thank you Shox. That's all I ask!


Mturn017,

But did Briles actually, himeself, discourage victims from reporting attacks??? Are you sure that you aren't just remembering what loki posted earlier, from the report that says Baylor administrators discouraged victims from reporting??

The Title IX stuff I don't understand, either. Title IX has to do with sexual discrimination. For example, providing equal opportunities to females to participate in inter-collegiate athletics.

Differences:

1) A Baylor player has already been convicted, and evidence that the staff tried to get it buried

http://www.foxsports.com/college-footbal...aco-082115

2) This is not one incident, but multiple incidents involving multiple players

3) Title IX covers far more than athletics. If women are being mistreated in ANY way at an educational facility, it falls under Title IX

(05-27-2016 10:05 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Excellent point Greenroom.

Those who committed the wrongdoings have been punished. Why do people who had nothing to do with the wrongdoings need to be punished too??

Once more so you can understand. HE'S THE HEAD OF THE PROGRAM, IF HIS UNDERLINGS DID THESE THINGS HIS HEAD NEEDS TO ROLL TOO. Baylor has even admitted that the football program separated itself from the normal university disciplinary process. They ran their own rape investigations and retaliated against at least one person who came forward. You think Briles should still be kept around when thats what his program was doing?