(05-18-2016 11:27 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 11:01 AM)HoopDreams Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 10:45 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 10:37 AM)holyterror Wrote:  Imagine dedric with dj's athleticism and hops.

Imagine DJ with Dedric's basketball skills

Ben Spiva's brain in Todd Mundt's body.

Pastner's recruiting pre 2014 with Tubby's coaching.

Fyp

The first thing Dedric needs to work on are his body mechanics, his movement isn't where it needs to be. They improved from High School to his freshman year but are still pretty bad. Reminds me of RG3, and will most likely follow the same path as RG3 unless if takes care of this.

He just needs to switch to brain function and not mental. It's quicker. Body just does it without first routing it through the mind--mentally thinking it. Last coach emphasized mental.

That's how great physical feats are accomplished...no mind involvement.

(05-18-2016 10:23 AM)Timmy989 Wrote:  Well good thing his dad is director of player development. Get on it!

B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L

Do we have an S&C coach?

(05-18-2016 01:43 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Do we have an S&C coach?

Not yet, but this is something he needs to do on his own.

Remember Shaq after his frosh year was a tubby feller. Went back to ATL and worked out with some friends and a track coach and dropped a whole bunch of weight.

(05-18-2016 10:37 AM)holyterror Wrote:  Imagine dedric with dj's athleticism and hops.

Imagine DJ with a torso more proportionate to the rest of his body.

(05-18-2016 02:54 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 10:37 AM)holyterror Wrote:  Imagine dedric with dj's athleticism and hops.

Imagine DJ with a torso more proportionate to the rest of his body.

All DJ needed was handles and a consistent jumper

(05-18-2016 10:04 AM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  You are either quick and bouncy or you ain't

I doubt any trainer can help a whole lot

You can't possibly believe that.

(05-18-2016 02:25 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 01:43 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  Do we have an S&C coach?

Not yet, but this is something he needs to do on his own.

Remember Shaq after his frosh year was a tubby feller. Went back to ATL and worked out with some friends and a track coach and dropped a whole bunch of weight.

Yeah and he didn't get tired as fast.

Dedrick speed and explosiveness are not going to change much. He needs to get stronger and stay fluid. If he proves he can guard an NBA 4 he will get a shot

(05-18-2016 10:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-18-2016 10:13 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  There's only so much he can do to improve those things. Much of that is "you either have it or you don't" type of stuff.

If a person has never trained to engage those muscles/fibers then that person can still improve those measurements.

I seriously doubt Dedric has ever gone through any serious training in his life. He's simply relied on athletic skill to do what he's done.

he's relied on that 6'8 frame and 7 ft arms. You can't teach that. Him not having that motor is in you or not.

But he also is very skilled for a big. Shoots fts well. And somehow he rebounded better than I thought he would against the best of the best in D1. I'd assume they also worked in skills a lot more than agility, speed , etc.

I'm just glad he will be coming back. For selfish reasons of course. But I think too he has a chance of making an NBA team for 4-10 years. The one that Intrigued me was skal declaring and even more so he's predicted to go early in first round. Another really skilled big. But has less body than Dedric and less dog. Them Lawson's can get mean if need be. Skal, not so much. I'm guessing him playing at Kentucky and for cal means more than a little.

If DL wants to work on his 'twitch' stuff he should talk to Shaq about AN's lady.

If DL wants to become a better BBall player, he needs to really improve his physical conditioning.

(05-19-2016 08:50 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  If DL wants to work on his 'twitch' stuff he should talk to Shaq about AN's lady.

If DL wants to become a better BBall player, he needs to really improve his physical conditioning.

One look at Dedric and you can tell where improvement "could" come from. Even though he has size, he still has boy muscles. He is not lean and cut like say AA was or Sylvester Gray, Joey Dorsey. If he even gets half that he will improve dramatically. I always try to add a caveat to a post (just in case I'm wrong). In baseball, steroids do not make batters hit a curve ball better or have better timing, the ball just goes further when they hit it, i.e., Mark McGwire. In the some have it and some don't camp, Mantle could hit a ball further than anyone before steroids were ever heard of and drank beer every night. You change that soft muscle tissue Dedric has to lean hard muscle and increase the size of his legs and see what happens.

(05-19-2016 10:15 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  One look at Dedric and you can tell where improvement "could" come from. Even though he has size, he still has boy muscles. He is not lean and cut like say AA was or Sylvester Gray, Joey Dorsey. If he even gets half that he will improve dramatically. I always try to add a caveat to a post (just in case I'm wrong). In baseball, steroids do not make batters hit a curve ball better or have better timing, the ball just goes further when they hit it, i.e., Mark McGwire. In the some have it and some don't camp, Mantle could hit a ball further than anyone before steroids were ever heard of and drank beer every night. You change that soft muscle tissue Dedric has to lean hard muscle and increase the size of his legs and see what happens.

Add to that, some of the "skill tests" are completely useless when it comes to actually playing basketball well.

One of the agility test requires a player to essentially run the lines of the ft lane by sliding sideways, running backwards and then turning an shuffling sideways again.

In reality, how often does anyone really need to do that?

Perhaps a dead sprint from baseline to the other foul line would be more indicative of speed, but dancing through cones or running backwards isn't a real need in basketball.

More importantly, those are skills that can be taught--basically to fake the funk.

I can't dance for crap, BUT I guarantee, with dedicated training, I could pull of some credible 3 minute routine that makes me look proficient. Basically just replicating that required skill.

(05-19-2016 10:34 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 10:15 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  One look at Dedric and you can tell where improvement "could" come from. Even though he has size, he still has boy muscles. He is not lean and cut like say AA was or Sylvester Gray, Joey Dorsey. If he even gets half that he will improve dramatically. I always try to add a caveat to a post (just in case I'm wrong). In baseball, steroids do not make batters hit a curve ball better or have better timing, the ball just goes further when they hit it, i.e., Mark McGwire. In the some have it and some don't camp, Mantle could hit a ball further than anyone before steroids were ever heard of and drank beer every night. You change that soft muscle tissue Dedric has to lean hard muscle and increase the size of his legs and see what happens.

Add to that, some of the "skill tests" are completely useless when it comes to actually playing basketball well.

One of the agility test requires a player to essentially run the lines of the ft lane by sliding sideways, running backwards and then turning an shuffling sideways again.

In reality, how often does anyone really need to do that?

Perhaps a dead sprint from baseline to the other foul line would be more indicative of speed, but dancing through cones or running backwards isn't a real need in basketball.

More importantly, those are skills that can be taught--basically to fake the funk.

I can't dance for crap, BUT I guarantee, with dedicated training, I could pull of some credible 3 minute routine that makes me look proficient. Basically just replicating that required skill.

Not a NBA scout, but I suspect most of his issues are in defending NBA players.

The agility tests you describe translate directly to defending and moving in transition. Just watch the NBA conf final game tonight and do not watch the ball. You will see everyone of these demonstrated throughout the game.

(05-19-2016 10:34 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 10:15 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  One look at Dedric and you can tell where improvement "could" come from. Even though he has size, he still has boy muscles. He is not lean and cut like say AA was or Sylvester Gray, Joey Dorsey. If he even gets half that he will improve dramatically. I always try to add a caveat to a post (just in case I'm wrong). In baseball, steroids do not make batters hit a curve ball better or have better timing, the ball just goes further when they hit it, i.e., Mark McGwire. In the some have it and some don't camp, Mantle could hit a ball further than anyone before steroids were ever heard of and drank beer every night. You change that soft muscle tissue Dedric has to lean hard muscle and increase the size of his legs and see what happens.

Add to that, some of the "skill tests" are completely useless when it comes to actually playing basketball well.

One of the agility test requires a player to essentially run the lines of the ft lane by sliding sideways, running backwards and then turning an shuffling sideways again.

In reality, how often does anyone really need to do that?

Perhaps a dead sprint from baseline to the other foul line would be more indicative of speed, but dancing through cones or running backwards isn't a real need in basketball.

More importantly, those are skills that can be taught--basically to fake the funk.

I can't dance for crap, BUT I guarantee, with dedicated training, I could pull of some credible 3 minute routine that makes me look proficient. Basically just replicating that required skill.

The combines have gotten a bit ridiculous. You've got guys training their asses off to be good at "shuttle drills" and crap like that.

I say put these dudes on a Ninja Warrior course without telling them what's coming and call that your combine.

(05-19-2016 10:44 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 10:34 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 10:15 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  One look at Dedric and you can tell where improvement "could" come from. Even though he has size, he still has boy muscles. He is not lean and cut like say AA was or Sylvester Gray, Joey Dorsey. If he even gets half that he will improve dramatically. I always try to add a caveat to a post (just in case I'm wrong). In baseball, steroids do not make batters hit a curve ball better or have better timing, the ball just goes further when they hit it, i.e., Mark McGwire. In the some have it and some don't camp, Mantle could hit a ball further than anyone before steroids were ever heard of and drank beer every night. You change that soft muscle tissue Dedric has to lean hard muscle and increase the size of his legs and see what happens.

Add to that, some of the "skill tests" are completely useless when it comes to actually playing basketball well.

One of the agility test requires a player to essentially run the lines of the ft lane by sliding sideways, running backwards and then turning an shuffling sideways again.

In reality, how often does anyone really need to do that?

Perhaps a dead sprint from baseline to the other foul line would be more indicative of speed, but dancing through cones or running backwards isn't a real need in basketball.

More importantly, those are skills that can be taught--basically to fake the funk.

I can't dance for crap, BUT I guarantee, with dedicated training, I could pull of some credible 3 minute routine that makes me look proficient. Basically just replicating that required skill.

The combines have gotten a bit ridiculous. You've got guys training their asses off to be good at "shuttle drills" and crap like that.

I say put these dudes on a Ninja Warrior course without telling them what's coming and call that your combine.

Or put them on a basketball court and have them shoot 100 shots, dribble the ball while being defended, do some post up moves and defend a guy.

There's a novel idea.

#getoffmylawn

(05-19-2016 10:44 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 10:34 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 10:15 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  One look at Dedric and you can tell where improvement "could" come from. Even though he has size, he still has boy muscles. He is not lean and cut like say AA was or Sylvester Gray, Joey Dorsey. If he even gets half that he will improve dramatically. I always try to add a caveat to a post (just in case I'm wrong). In baseball, steroids do not make batters hit a curve ball better or have better timing, the ball just goes further when they hit it, i.e., Mark McGwire. In the some have it and some don't camp, Mantle could hit a ball further than anyone before steroids were ever heard of and drank beer every night. You change that soft muscle tissue Dedric has to lean hard muscle and increase the size of his legs and see what happens.

Add to that, some of the "skill tests" are completely useless when it comes to actually playing basketball well.

One of the agility test requires a player to essentially run the lines of the ft lane by sliding sideways, running backwards and then turning an shuffling sideways again.

In reality, how often does anyone really need to do that?

Perhaps a dead sprint from baseline to the other foul line would be more indicative of speed, but dancing through cones or running backwards isn't a real need in basketball.

More importantly, those are skills that can be taught--basically to fake the funk.

I can't dance for crap, BUT I guarantee, with dedicated training, I could pull of some credible 3 minute routine that makes me look proficient. Basically just replicating that required skill.

The combines have gotten a bit ridiculous. You've got guys training their asses off to be good at "shuttle drills" and crap like that.

I say put these dudes on a Ninja Warrior course without telling them what's coming and call that your combine.

DL didn't play as well as expected in the basketball games that are part of the combine.

(05-19-2016 10:46 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 10:44 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 10:34 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(05-19-2016 10:15 AM)Antonio5fan Wrote:  One look at Dedric and you can tell where improvement "could" come from. Even though he has size, he still has boy muscles. He is not lean and cut like say AA was or Sylvester Gray, Joey Dorsey. If he even gets half that he will improve dramatically. I always try to add a caveat to a post (just in case I'm wrong). In baseball, steroids do not make batters hit a curve ball better or have better timing, the ball just goes further when they hit it, i.e., Mark McGwire. In the some have it and some don't camp, Mantle could hit a ball further than anyone before steroids were ever heard of and drank beer every night. You change that soft muscle tissue Dedric has to lean hard muscle and increase the size of his legs and see what happens.

Add to that, some of the "skill tests" are completely useless when it comes to actually playing basketball well.

One of the agility test requires a player to essentially run the lines of the ft lane by sliding sideways, running backwards and then turning an shuffling sideways again.

In reality, how often does anyone really need to do that?

Perhaps a dead sprint from baseline to the other foul line would be more indicative of speed, but dancing through cones or running backwards isn't a real need in basketball.

More importantly, those are skills that can be taught--basically to fake the funk.

I can't dance for crap, BUT I guarantee, with dedicated training, I could pull of some credible 3 minute routine that makes me look proficient. Basically just replicating that required skill.

The combines have gotten a bit ridiculous. You've got guys training their asses off to be good at "shuttle drills" and crap like that.

I say put these dudes on a Ninja Warrior course without telling them what's coming and call that your combine.

Or put them on a basketball court and have them shoot 100 shots, dribble the ball while being defended, do some post up moves and defend a guy.

There's a novel idea.

Doesn't simulate the speed of the game or how to use teammates. Which is a huge part of the NBA game.