interesting article on ESPN...

SEC works to abolish Divisions-ESPN

I sort of agree with him

I agree with this format as well. something like 3-4 protected rivalry games and then rotate through everyone else allows for the best of both worlds. You play the teams you care the most about each year and get to play everyone else more often.

I'd be very happy with a permanent schedule of LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss and Bama or Auburn

I don't see it.

The net effect is to simply trade a warm division rival for what is ultimately going to be a "who cares" game.

Would I rather play Ole Miss every year or exchange them for Kentucky/Vandy/Mizzou?

inequitable schedules (e.g. multiple 7-1 teams with easier/harder schedule) and tie breakers would be a real booger too.

(05-04-2016 11:51 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I don't see it.

The net effect is to simply trade a warm division rival for what is ultimately going to be a "who cares" game.

Would I rather play Ole Miss every year or exchange them for Kentucky/Vandy/Mizzou?

I'd be in favor for this if the kinks were worked out. I would love to play Tennessee more often.

It won't happen, but I don't think it's a bad idea. We used to play around with some of this stuff on Mr. SEC.

(05-04-2016 05:15 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  It won't happen, but I don't think it's a bad idea. We used to play around with some of this stuff on Mr. SEC.

I wish we could get him to post here. I would love to hear what rumors are floating around in the SEC this summer with all the realignment talks going on.

(05-04-2016 08:14 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 05:15 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  It won't happen, but I don't think it's a bad idea. We used to play around with some of this stuff on Mr. SEC.

I wish we could get him to post here. I would love to hear what rumors are floating around in the SEC this summer with all the realignment talks going on.

Nothing is floating around the SEC and the reason is this. We made our original prospect list and prioritized it in '91. The only probable new additions would be perhaps U.N.C. and Virginia Tech/Virginia. There are only a handful of schools we would consider now that our payout is over $35 million.

1. Texas
2. Oklahoma
3. North Carolina
4. Virginia Tech/Virginia (but only 1)
5. Florida State

In the event we could land only 1 of those 5 then perhaps we would take:

1. A another Texas school to please Texas.
2. Oklahoma State to please Oklahoma.
3. Duke to please North Carolina.
4. Anyone to accompany a Virginia School.
5. Clemson to please Florida State.

Outside of that there is nothing to discuss. They all have talked with us. They all know that all they need do is to apply. So while the crap storm of internet jackasses swirls into the stench of desperation it is, we wait. Everyone one of those schools will contact us before bolting off to the Big 10.

They will do it to compare deals. They will do it to see if they can save their fans travel and their schools overhead. And they will do it because we are the nations' ratings leader and that is why our total revenue per school on average exceeds that of the Big 10 even after their colossal FOX deal and does so by 5 million per school on average.

That's why you don't here a thing out of Birmingham. Delany is trying to jockey for what he knows he needs to survive. He needs Southern exposure because as each year passes the South grows and the North at best remains static and in most places is in decline.

The SEC doesn't need to expand out of its basic region. It is still the premier sports conference in America and we would still be even if we don't add another school.

( List of things the SEC needs to focus on )

1, Expansion. Getting to 16 needs to happen soon. It would actually bring greater balance to the schedule than 14 does.

2, Basketball. The SEC needs to push for the NCAA to move basketball season to the middle of December or the first January.

3, Bowl games. The SEC needs to add a PAC 12 bowl game.

4, SEC network shows. A PTI style show. That focuses on the SEC and other college topics.

(05-04-2016 08:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 08:14 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 05:15 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  It won't happen, but I don't think it's a bad idea. We used to play around with some of this stuff on Mr. SEC.

I wish we could get him to post here. I would love to hear what rumors are floating around in the SEC this summer with all the realignment talks going on.

Nothing is floating around the SEC and the reason is this. We made our original prospect list and prioritized it in '91. The only probable new additions would be perhaps U.N.C. and Virginia Tech/Virginia. There are only a handful of schools we would consider now that our payout is over $35 million.

1. Texas
2. Oklahoma
3. North Carolina
4. Virginia Tech/Virginia (but only 1)
5. Florida State

In the event we could land only 1 of those 5 then perhaps we would take:

1. A another Texas school to please Texas.
2. Oklahoma State to please Oklahoma.
3. Duke to please North Carolina.
4. Anyone to accompany a Virginia School.
5. Clemson to please Florida State.

Outside of that there is nothing to discuss. They all have talked with us. They all know that all they need do is to apply. So while the crap storm of internet jackasses swirls into the stench of desperation it is, we wait. Everyone one of those schools will contact us before bolting off to the Big 10.

They will do it to compare deals. They will do it to see if they can save their fans travel and their schools overhead. And they will do it because we are the nations' ratings leader and that is why our total revenue per school on average exceeds that of the Big 10 even after their colossal FOX deal and does so by 5 million per school on average.

That's why you don't here a thing out of Birmingham. Delany is trying to jockey for what he knows he needs to survive. He needs Southern exposure because as each year passes the South grows and the North at best remains static and in most places is in decline.

The SEC doesn't need to expand out of its basic region. It is still the premier sports conference in America and we would still be even if we don't add another school.

Texas will never be in the SEC, period.

(05-04-2016 10:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  ( List of things the SEC needs to focus on )

1, Expansion. Getting to 16 needs to happen soon. It would actually bring greater balance to the schedule than 14 does.

2, Basketball. The SEC needs to push for the NCAA to move basketball season to the middle of December or the first January.

3, Bowl games. The SEC needs to add a PAC 12 bowl game.

4, SEC network shows. A PTI style show. That focuses on the SEC and other college topics.

I tend to think Oklahoma will eventually end up in the SEC....as for #16? not sure. maybe Kansas??

(05-05-2016 02:44 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  ( List of things the SEC needs to focus on )

1, Expansion. Getting to 16 needs to happen soon. It would actually bring greater balance to the schedule than 14 does.

2, Basketball. The SEC needs to push for the NCAA to move basketball season to the middle of December or the first January.

3, Bowl games. The SEC needs to add a PAC 12 bowl game.

4, SEC network shows. A PTI style show. That focuses on the SEC and other college topics.

I tend to think Oklahoma will eventually end up in the SEC....as for #16? not sure. maybe Kansas??

It'll probably play out similarly to how we got to 14. Expand with major brand/new market school and then wait and see who else is interested in that 16th spot. We'll take the most profitable school or if the options are just not that great, we might bring in Oklahoma State at OU's request.

(05-04-2016 10:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  ( List of things the SEC needs to focus on )

1, Expansion. Getting to 16 needs to happen soon. It would actually bring greater balance to the schedule than 14 does.

2, Basketball. The SEC needs to push for the NCAA to move basketball season to the middle of December or the first January.

3, Bowl games. The SEC needs to add a PAC 12 bowl game.

4, SEC network shows. A PTI style show. That focuses on the SEC and other college topics.

I agree a Pac 12 bowl game should happen. I have no cable, so SEC network doesn't effect (affect, sorry, can never figure out which to use) me. I agree whole heartly with 2, and if 1 really is necessary I would add: Academics.

Thus, and I think Sankey agrees, the "homerun" candidate (outside of OK and FSU) would be both an excellent basketball school and a powerful academic institution.

While I think Virginia would rather go Big 10 and we wind up with Tech (not a bad grab in itself), for those reasons, I think Virginia should be a strong candidate on its own merits for the SEC. Strong basketball, strong baseball, strong academics, and with more resources in football, an improving team but not one many would expect to jump to the top of the pecking order.

I have said before in threads that I see a Virginia/Duke and UNC/Tech split, but the more I hear about the UNC scandal, the more I wonder if the conferences should avoid UNC or grab them now on a "buy low" shot when they might not move otherwise. But if they are staying away, that means Virginia and Duke become better fits for the SEC. I don't think NC State brings enough academic or athletic clout to really be a home run, but would certainly be a double.

(05-05-2016 02:43 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 08:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 08:14 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 05:15 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  It won't happen, but I don't think it's a bad idea. We used to play around with some of this stuff on Mr. SEC.

I wish we could get him to post here. I would love to hear what rumors are floating around in the SEC this summer with all the realignment talks going on.

Nothing is floating around the SEC and the reason is this. We made our original prospect list and prioritized it in '91. The only probable new additions would be perhaps U.N.C. and Virginia Tech/Virginia. There are only a handful of schools we would consider now that our payout is over $35 million.

1. Texas
2. Oklahoma
3. North Carolina
4. Virginia Tech/Virginia (but only 1)
5. Florida State

In the event we could land only 1 of those 5 then perhaps we would take:

1. A another Texas school to please Texas.
2. Oklahoma State to please Oklahoma.
3. Duke to please North Carolina.
4. Anyone to accompany a Virginia School.
5. Clemson to please Florida State.

Outside of that there is nothing to discuss. They all have talked with us. They all know that all they need do is to apply. So while the crap storm of internet jackasses swirls into the stench of desperation it is, we wait. Everyone one of those schools will contact us before bolting off to the Big 10.

They will do it to compare deals. They will do it to see if they can save their fans travel and their schools overhead. And they will do it because we are the nations' ratings leader and that is why our total revenue per school on average exceeds that of the Big 10 even after their colossal FOX deal and does so by 5 million per school on average.

That's why you don't here a thing out of Birmingham. Delany is trying to jockey for what he knows he needs to survive. He needs Southern exposure because as each year passes the South grows and the North at best remains static and in most places is in decline.

The SEC doesn't need to expand out of its basic region. It is still the premier sports conference in America and we would still be even if we don't add another school.

Texas will never be in the SEC, period.

And what do you base such an assumption upon, internet chat rooms? Texas was in serious discussions in '91. They chose at the time to look elsewhere. Aggie kept in conversation. Texas woofs a lot. But in the end they will head to an ESPN held conference and will want to play most of their division as close to home as possible. So while they are far from a sure thing for the SEC, neither are they totally out of the question. Money and politics cause a great many proud institutions to make some strange moves. So we will wait and see.

(05-05-2016 02:43 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 08:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 08:14 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 05:15 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  It won't happen, but I don't think it's a bad idea. We used to play around with some of this stuff on Mr. SEC.

I wish we could get him to post here. I would love to hear what rumors are floating around in the SEC this summer with all the realignment talks going on.

Nothing is floating around the SEC and the reason is this. We made our original prospect list and prioritized it in '91. The only probable new additions would be perhaps U.N.C. and Virginia Tech/Virginia. There are only a handful of schools we would consider now that our payout is over $35 million.

1. Texas
2. Oklahoma
3. North Carolina
4. Virginia Tech/Virginia (but only 1)
5. Florida State

In the event we could land only 1 of those 5 then perhaps we would take:

1. A another Texas school to please Texas.
2. Oklahoma State to please Oklahoma.
3. Duke to please North Carolina.
4. Anyone to accompany a Virginia School.
5. Clemson to please Florida State.

Outside of that there is nothing to discuss. They all have talked with us. They all know that all they need do is to apply. So while the crap storm of internet jackasses swirls into the stench of desperation it is, we wait. Everyone one of those schools will contact us before bolting off to the Big 10.

They will do it to compare deals. They will do it to see if they can save their fans travel and their schools overhead. And they will do it because we are the nations' ratings leader and that is why our total revenue per school on average exceeds that of the Big 10 even after their colossal FOX deal and does so by 5 million per school on average.

That's why you don't here a thing out of Birmingham. Delany is trying to jockey for what he knows he needs to survive. He needs Southern exposure because as each year passes the South grows and the North at best remains static and in most places is in decline.

The SEC doesn't need to expand out of its basic region. It is still the premier sports conference in America and we would still be even if we don't add another school.

Texas will never be in the SEC, period.

One can only hope...

(05-05-2016 02:44 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  ( List of things the SEC needs to focus on )

1, Expansion. Getting to 16 needs to happen soon. It would actually bring greater balance to the schedule than 14 does.

2, Basketball. The SEC needs to push for the NCAA to move basketball season to the middle of December or the first January.

3, Bowl games. The SEC needs to add a PAC 12 bowl game.

4, SEC network shows. A PTI style show. That focuses on the SEC and other college topics.

I tend to think Oklahoma will eventually end up in the SEC....as for #16? not sure. maybe Kansas??

Don't know if it is true, but Andy Staples was saying today that OU & OSU would be taken as a pair by the SEC. I have heard that from a personal source, and also from another reporter back the first of the year. But with this stuff you never know until the ink is dry and the presser is held.

(05-05-2016 07:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 02:44 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  ( List of things the SEC needs to focus on )

1, Expansion. Getting to 16 needs to happen soon. It would actually bring greater balance to the schedule than 14 does.

2, Basketball. The SEC needs to push for the NCAA to move basketball season to the middle of December or the first January.

3, Bowl games. The SEC needs to add a PAC 12 bowl game.

4, SEC network shows. A PTI style show. That focuses on the SEC and other college topics.

I tend to think Oklahoma will eventually end up in the SEC....as for #16? not sure. maybe Kansas??

Don't know if it is true, but Andy Staples was saying today that OU & OSU would be taken as a pair by the SEC. I have heard that from a personal source, and also from another reporter back the first of the year. But with this stuff you never know until the ink is dry and the presser is held.

You know how I feel about this situation. It would be the best thing to happen for Arkansas since joining the SEC.

(05-05-2016 09:48 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 07:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 02:44 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  ( List of things the SEC needs to focus on )

1, Expansion. Getting to 16 needs to happen soon. It would actually bring greater balance to the schedule than 14 does.

2, Basketball. The SEC needs to push for the NCAA to move basketball season to the middle of December or the first January.

3, Bowl games. The SEC needs to add a PAC 12 bowl game.

4, SEC network shows. A PTI style show. That focuses on the SEC and other college topics.

I tend to think Oklahoma will eventually end up in the SEC....as for #16? not sure. maybe Kansas??

Don't know if it is true, but Andy Staples was saying today that OU & OSU would be taken as a pair by the SEC. I have heard that from a personal source, and also from another reporter back the first of the year. But with this stuff you never know until the ink is dry and the presser is held.

You know how I feel about this situation. It would be the best thing to happen for Arkansas since joining the SEC.

It would refocus Southwestern football and Arkansas would be essentially in the geographical center. It would also likely move Auburn and Alabama to the East. I think it would bring an epic balance between the Eastern and Western Divisions.

(05-05-2016 07:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 02:44 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  ( List of things the SEC needs to focus on )

1, Expansion. Getting to 16 needs to happen soon. It would actually bring greater balance to the schedule than 14 does.

2, Basketball. The SEC needs to push for the NCAA to move basketball season to the middle of December or the first January.

3, Bowl games. The SEC needs to add a PAC 12 bowl game.

4, SEC network shows. A PTI style show. That focuses on the SEC and other college topics.

I tend to think Oklahoma will eventually end up in the SEC....as for #16? not sure. maybe Kansas??

Don't know if it is true, but Andy Staples was saying today that OU & OSU would be taken as a pair by the SEC. I have heard that from a personal source, and also from another reporter back the first of the year. But with this stuff you never know until the ink is dry and the presser is held.

With OU, WVU and Baylor leading the Big 12 Expansion Committee and what you have posted above that the SEC would take OU and OSU to get to 16. It is known that WVU and OU are very much pro expansion in the Big 12 and Baylor was the one Texas school left out of the articles when discussing votes that Texas controls. Would the SEC take the OU/OSU combo and their expansion buddies WVU & BU to jump to 18? They would gain 2 new states and double up in Texas. It would add 3 of the top 4 Big 12 athletic programs (financially and on-field success) and a solid WVU.

(05-06-2016 10:09 AM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 07:19 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-05-2016 02:44 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(05-04-2016 10:33 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  ( List of things the SEC needs to focus on )

1, Expansion. Getting to 16 needs to happen soon. It would actually bring greater balance to the schedule than 14 does.

2, Basketball. The SEC needs to push for the NCAA to move basketball season to the middle of December or the first January.

3, Bowl games. The SEC needs to add a PAC 12 bowl game.

4, SEC network shows. A PTI style show. That focuses on the SEC and other college topics.

I tend to think Oklahoma will eventually end up in the SEC....as for #16? not sure. maybe Kansas??

Don't know if it is true, but Andy Staples was saying today that OU & OSU would be taken as a pair by the SEC. I have heard that from a personal source, and also from another reporter back the first of the year. But with this stuff you never know until the ink is dry and the presser is held.

With OU, WVU and Baylor leading the Big 12 Expansion Committee and what you have posted above that the SEC would take OU and OSU to get to 16. It is known that WVU and OU are very much pro expansion in the Big 12 and Baylor was the one Texas school left out of the articles when discussing votes that Texas controls. Would the SEC take the OU/OSU combo and their expansion buddies WVU & BU to jump to 18? They would gain 2 new states and double up in Texas. It would add 3 of the top 4 Big 12 athletic programs (financially and on-field success) and a solid WVU.

I don't think that WVU is on the table, if for no other reasons than it doesn't offer a financial advantage and plays to an SEC insecurity.

Baylor is probably a neutral add. There is no harm in it, as well as no gain. But, if you have to take Baylor to bring on board OU then fine.

Personally, I would rather have Baylor than OSU. It does two wonderful things, that is it breaks some of OUs bargaining power and at the same time does everything but guarantee that Texas will never be in the SEC.