(05-05-2016 01:24 PM)adcorbett Wrote: (05-05-2016 01:08 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote: and this has been discussed over and over
on the one side we have junior amateur lawyers talking about contract law after they have had a 3 hour media rights class as an undergrad and talking about music and record labels
on the other side we have at least 7 and more than likely 8+ teams from the Big 12 that absolutely without a doubt want the GOR to be as difficult to break as possible and we have the most likely hundreds of lawyers and high powered business and legal alumni and in house and outside counsel that looked over the GOR with the idea in mind that it be as difficult as possible to break not to mention the same for the ACC and other conferences
You have repeated this over and over. It makes it no less correct.
And since you like to repeat said credentials, are you an attorney? Because let me point something out, your assertaion only makes since if you assume that every contract ever written, is held up. Why do people take others to court over contracts? Because they are often not properly written, properly executed, or properly handled. Your response that it was written by lawyers so it must be true, is so juvenile, and completely misses the point. If that is the case, why have a court system? Why have attorneys? Todge said the contract was written and agreed upon by attorneys, so nothing is wrong.
Nothing is wrong, until something is wrong. And then when someone wants to break a contract, they find a way.
(05-05-2016 01:08 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote: I have taken the side of those that I believe have superior legal and business minds and that do this for a living and that have a vested interest in making the GOR as difficult to break as possible
That is fine. Riddle this: if the GOR is so airtight, why have teams like Oklahoma and Texas made noise about making conference moves, AFTER the GOR was signed. I asked you that before, and you never answered. I mean they also have lawyers. If it was so air tight, why on earth would they attempt to make such a move?
Also, one last thing. You assume the contract was written in a way to never be broken. The contract was drummed up by the power brokers. It is very possible the GOR was never meant to be ironclad by those with power, and those who had no power, really had no choice but to sign anyway. Everyone signing does not in anyway mean every believes it is ironclad. that is just a ridiculous statement.
and again just ike in the past here is the part where you become upset that I will not bow down to your legal expertise because you had a 3 hour undergrad media rights class and you start trying to claim that I said the GOR was "not breakable"
this is of course something that I have never claimed this is you clutching at straws and trying to re-frame the discussion so that you can get into a position to attempt to claim some type of "web victory"
this of course is web ignorance because just like last time in this discussion it came to the point where you were trying to actually make claims that I had made and then saying I was wrong for making claims I had never made and that you had actually made
unfortunately for you internet forums save things unlike your snapchat and thus I was able to go back in the thread and produce the quotes of what you and I had first stated and you were proven wrong and called out for it and you abandoned the thread
so again lets make clear I have never said the GOR was unbreakable
what I have repeatedly stated is that there is a much larger number of teams that would want the GOR to be as difficult to break as possible and thus if there was something as easy as "hey fellas I know I just work in the mail room, but in my 3 hour undergrad media rights class I learned that no matter what if you do not give something to get something a contract will just be tossed out" there would have been probably hundreds of lawyers and high powered business people that would have pointed that out and pushed for change
and your stupid ASSERTION that teams would have been told of that flaw and just would have signed it anyway is just that stupid.....if you know something is basically meaningless to the point where a guy that had a 3 hour undergrad media rights class could take it to court and break it then why even go through the process of having a GOR and signing it why not just say "this is BS" and move on
you are really trying to claim that multiple universities in the Big 12 and the ACC and other conferences just went through the exercise of looking at the GOR and paying outside counsel to look it over and then after being told "well the guy in the mail room with a 3 hour media rights class could break this in court" they all just went ahead and signed it anyway and then run around pretending it is something that has meaning
that is just a stupid assumption
and to be clear here Texas is not threatening to leave the Big 12 that is just something that OU and OU fans want people to believe (and other dunces) because acting like an idiot like boren is and then trying to blame it all on Texas is popular with the populace because the populace is generally stupid
and boren has run his mouth about a lot of things and the end result is he came out looking like an ass....so if you are hitching up to that old fool knowing what he is talking about and prevailing well have fun with that
you clearly missed the discussion a couple of years back where a guy that had a freshly minted law degree came out and basically gave the same exact argument that you and the other media rights mail room clerks have given and many lawyers on many forums that were known to their forum members to be long term successful lawyers came out and thrashed the guy as a simpleton because they stated that the branch of law he was using was not even the basis for the GOR in the first place and after that he was just swinging at air and missing even that
so one more time for those that are thick and those that feel a 3 hour media rights undergrad course makes them an expert on contract law and the GOR
I am not and have never claimed the GOR is unbreakable and thus every time you try and refute what I am saying with the attempt to make it where I am claiming the GOR is unbreakable you look silly
what I have stated is that I will take the opinion of high powered legal minds, university in house counsel and high powered business and legal alumni that are looking out for universities that have their best interest being that a GOR is very difficult to break over the opinion of a guy that has a 3 hour undergrad media rights class and that claims that schools just spent a great deal of money to sign something they knew was worthless because "well that is the only choice we have" or that attempts to re-frame an argument into "contracts are never broken" in spite of that having never been claimed
the fact that your arguments are so un-reasoned and illogical and rely on trying to put words into others mouths should tell anyone to take the opposite side of any legal argument you are trying to make much less 3 hours of undergrad media rights classes Vs hundreds of legal and business minds