(04-21-2016 07:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 02:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 12:36 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Im surprised they give ucf a 53% chance of beating tulsa.

Same here. Don't see it happening. I think UCF gets 3 wins. Decent jump from 0-12, actually.

I expect Memphis to fall back 2 or 3.

The thing about UCF is that talent base has zero excuse for going winless. Frankly, I don't know how they went 0-12. The whole program just mailed it in last year. My guess is 6-6 is the 2016 floor for UCF--and I wont be surprised if they are near the top of the standings. This isn't Tulsa or SMU where the talent base was allowed to deteriorate. Since 2014, in the AAC, UCF has finished with the #4, #3, and #2 recruiting classes per Rivals. They played a lot of young players last year. Quick turnarounds can happen when the shelves are really well stocked---especially now that those young talented players have a year of experience under their belt.

Coaching.

(04-21-2016 07:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 02:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 12:36 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Im surprised they give ucf a 53% chance of beating tulsa.

Same here. Don't see it happening. I think UCF gets 3 wins. Decent jump from 0-12, actually.

I expect Memphis to fall back 2 or 3.

The thing about UCF is that talent base has zero excuse for going winless. Frankly, I don't know how they went 0-12. The whole program just mailed it in last year. My guess is 6-6 is the 2016 floor for UCF--and I wont be surprised if they are near the top of the standings. This isn't Tulsa or SMU where the talent base was allowed to deteriorate. Since 2014, in the AAC, UCF has finished with the #4, #3, and #2 recruiting classes per Rivals. They played a lot of young players last year. Quick turnarounds can happen when the shelves are really well stocked---especially now that those young talented players have a year of experience under their belt.

Last year was the perfect storm. Hit our max scholarship reductions then we had tons of injuries. Not sure if we will be great in 2016 but we will be back soon.

(04-21-2016 05:46 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 05:23 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 01:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 12:07 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 11:39 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  SMU will be next

Tulane might take offense to that.

But seriously, SMU showed a lot of potential last year. I think they'll get a generous spot. Probably above Memphis and below UConn

SMU above Memphis? Did you forget the 63-0 last game of this past season? We lost a QB and a coaching staff, but do you think that will set us back 63+ points?

Memphis is likely to win 7 games, give or take one. SMU and UConn better than that?

Don't be surprised. Check out what happened to us after we lost Keenum/Sumlin. It's easy to underestimate just how good a player like Lynch was, and plays that were always flawless suddenly now look like dogsh*t.

We have most of the rest of the team back, with another year, plus a couple of jucos. D will be a LOT better, but not as good as 2014.

We also have a decent pair of QBs. One is a 4 star former TN QB from juco, now a junior for us, who got beat out by the current TN guy, IIRC. Riley Ferguson. Won't be Paxton, but won't be meat, either.

If not him, then a RS Fr 3 star with some SEC interest. Brady Davis.

Two or 3 win drops at worst, I hope.

You're basically saying all the same stuff we did. Talking about stars, SEC interest, so and so is back, etc.

I'm not saying that you will experience the same thing, I'm just saying don't rule it out.

(04-21-2016 07:00 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 02:30 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 12:36 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  Im surprised they give ucf a 53% chance of beating tulsa.

Same here. Don't see it happening. I think UCF gets 3 wins. Decent jump from 0-12, actually.

I expect Memphis to fall back 2 or 3.

The thing about UCF is that talent base has zero excuse for going winless. Frankly, I don't know how they went 0-12. The whole program just mailed it in last year. My guess is 6-6 is the 2016 floor for UCF--and I wont be surprised if they are near the top of the standings. This isn't Tulsa or SMU where the talent base was allowed to deteriorate. Since 2014, in the AAC, UCF has finished with the #4, #3, and #2 recruiting classes per Rivals. They played a lot of young players last year. Quick turnarounds can happen when the shelves are really well stocked---especially now that those young talented players have a year of experience under their belt.

6-6 is the floor with a new coaching staff? Well, you could be right, but I would be surprised. Not as surprised as last year when they went 0-12, though, lol.

(04-21-2016 08:06 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 05:46 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 05:23 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 01:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 12:07 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Tulane might take offense to that.

But seriously, SMU showed a lot of potential last year. I think they'll get a generous spot. Probably above Memphis and below UConn

SMU above Memphis? Did you forget the 63-0 last game of this past season? We lost a QB and a coaching staff, but do you think that will set us back 63+ points?

Memphis is likely to win 7 games, give or take one. SMU and UConn better than that?

Don't be surprised. Check out what happened to us after we lost Keenum/Sumlin. It's easy to underestimate just how good a player like Lynch was, and plays that were always flawless suddenly now look like dogsh*t.

We have most of the rest of the team back, with another year, plus a couple of jucos. D will be a LOT better, but not as good as 2014.

We also have a decent pair of QBs. One is a 4 star former TN QB from juco, now a junior for us, who got beat out by the current TN guy, IIRC. Riley Ferguson. Won't be Paxton, but won't be meat, either.

If not him, then a RS Fr 3 star with some SEC interest. Brady Davis.

Two or 3 win drops at worst, I hope.

You're basically saying all the same stuff we did. Talking about stars, SEC interest, so and so is back, etc.

I'm not saying that you will experience the same thing, I'm just saying don't rule it out.

Don't rule out 0-12 for Memphis? Is that what you're saying? If so, yeah, I'm ruling it out, lol.

(04-21-2016 09:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 08:06 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 05:46 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 05:23 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 01:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  SMU above Memphis? Did you forget the 63-0 last game of this past season? We lost a QB and a coaching staff, but do you think that will set us back 63+ points?

Memphis is likely to win 7 games, give or take one. SMU and UConn better than that?

Don't be surprised. Check out what happened to us after we lost Keenum/Sumlin. It's easy to underestimate just how good a player like Lynch was, and plays that were always flawless suddenly now look like dogsh*t.

We have most of the rest of the team back, with another year, plus a couple of jucos. D will be a LOT better, but not as good as 2014.

We also have a decent pair of QBs. One is a 4 star former TN QB from juco, now a junior for us, who got beat out by the current TN guy, IIRC. Riley Ferguson. Won't be Paxton, but won't be meat, either.

If not him, then a RS Fr 3 star with some SEC interest. Brady Davis.

Two or 3 win drops at worst, I hope.

You're basically saying all the same stuff we did. Talking about stars, SEC interest, so and so is back, etc.

I'm not saying that you will experience the same thing, I'm just saying don't rule it out.

Don't rule out 0-12 for Memphis? Is that what you're saying? If so, yeah, I'm ruling it out, lol.

No, don't rule out what happened to us after we lost Keenum/Sumlin -- a 5-7 type season.

It's easy to just assume the next guys in line will be just as good as Lynch/Fuente, but it doesn't always work that way.

(04-21-2016 09:13 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 08:06 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 05:46 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 05:23 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Don't be surprised. Check out what happened to us after we lost Keenum/Sumlin. It's easy to underestimate just how good a player like Lynch was, and plays that were always flawless suddenly now look like dogsh*t.

We have most of the rest of the team back, with another year, plus a couple of jucos. D will be a LOT better, but not as good as 2014.

We also have a decent pair of QBs. One is a 4 star former TN QB from juco, now a junior for us, who got beat out by the current TN guy, IIRC. Riley Ferguson. Won't be Paxton, but won't be meat, either.

If not him, then a RS Fr 3 star with some SEC interest. Brady Davis.

Two or 3 win drops at worst, I hope.

You're basically saying all the same stuff we did. Talking about stars, SEC interest, so and so is back, etc.

I'm not saying that you will experience the same thing, I'm just saying don't rule it out.

Don't rule out 0-12 for Memphis? Is that what you're saying? If so, yeah, I'm ruling it out, lol.

No, don't rule out what happened to us after we lost Keenum/Sumlin -- a 5-7 type season.

It's easy to just assume the next guys in line will be just as good as Lynch/Fuente, but it doesn't always work that way.

Memphis is falling into the trap of because the have already had success, that no matter what they will continue to have success. Which is exactly what happened with ucf fans and they went 0-12.

(04-21-2016 11:38 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Ah danget. UCF first in for the AAC.

Link

Good luck to you guys., unless you play Memphis is the championship game...and no assumption that the Tigers or Knights would be there. The below quote had to sting, especially understanding the disparate history of the two programs, even with the reasons explained. Good luck, and I do hope that Frost works out; in the end you will eventually be better than OLeary could have ever made you.

Quote:Biggest 2016 game: at FIU (Sept. 24). The Knights' best early chance at proving growth might come against the team that sent them to 0-1 last year.

(04-21-2016 09:43 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:13 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 08:06 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 05:46 PM)TripleA Wrote:  We have most of the rest of the team back, with another year, plus a couple of jucos. D will be a LOT better, but not as good as 2014.

We also have a decent pair of QBs. One is a 4 star former TN QB from juco, now a junior for us, who got beat out by the current TN guy, IIRC. Riley Ferguson. Won't be Paxton, but won't be meat, either.

If not him, then a RS Fr 3 star with some SEC interest. Brady Davis.

Two or 3 win drops at worst, I hope.

You're basically saying all the same stuff we did. Talking about stars, SEC interest, so and so is back, etc.

I'm not saying that you will experience the same thing, I'm just saying don't rule it out.

Don't rule out 0-12 for Memphis? Is that what you're saying? If so, yeah, I'm ruling it out, lol.

No, don't rule out what happened to us after we lost Keenum/Sumlin -- a 5-7 type season.

It's easy to just assume the next guys in line will be just as good as Lynch/Fuente, but it doesn't always work that way.

Memphis is falling into the trap of because the have already had success, that no matter what they will continue to have success. Which is exactly what happened with ucf fans and they went 0-12.

Just curious, how does anyone know what traps Memphis is or isn't falling into? Are we discussing the team or the fans?

(04-21-2016 09:57 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:43 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:13 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 08:06 PM)Kronke Wrote:  You're basically saying all the same stuff we did. Talking about stars, SEC interest, so and so is back, etc.

I'm not saying that you will experience the same thing, I'm just saying don't rule it out.

Don't rule out 0-12 for Memphis? Is that what you're saying? If so, yeah, I'm ruling it out, lol.

No, don't rule out what happened to us after we lost Keenum/Sumlin -- a 5-7 type season.

It's easy to just assume the next guys in line will be just as good as Lynch/Fuente, but it doesn't always work that way.

Memphis is falling into the trap of because the have already had success, that no matter what they will continue to have success. Which is exactly what happened with ucf fans and they went 0-12.

Just curious, how does anyone know what traps Memphis is or isn't falling into? Are we discussing the team or the fans?

To clarify im specifically talking about the fans. Obviously there is no way to know what traps the team may fall into or what their mentality really is.

UH did not have a HC or OC the year after losing Keenum/Sumlin.

(04-21-2016 10:48 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  UH did not have a HC or OC the year after losing Keenum/Sumlin.

We had a special teams coordinator though and we know how that went.

Tulane is next at #11

(04-21-2016 09:53 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 11:38 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  Ah danget. UCF first in for the AAC.

Link

Good luck to you guys., unless you play Memphis is the championship game...and no assumption that the Tigers or Knights would be there. The below quote had to sting, especially understanding the disparate history of the two programs, even with the reasons explained. Good luck, and I do hope that Frost works out; in the end you will eventually be better than OLeary could have ever made you.

Quote:Biggest 2016 game: at FIU (Sept. 24). The Knights' best early chance at proving growth might come against the team that sent them to 0-1 last year.

Ya I physically winced at that statement... partly because of the association with the program, but mostly because I had no valid reason to deny it.

New coach, no QB, empty cupboard, no surprise.

(04-22-2016 11:02 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  New coach, no QB, empty cupboard, no surprise.

At least he liked the coaching hire.

(04-22-2016 11:51 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(04-22-2016 11:02 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  New coach, no QB, empty cupboard, no surprise.

At least he liked the coaching hire.

And was appreciative of our ancient history.

(04-21-2016 10:41 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:57 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:43 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:13 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:06 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Don't rule out 0-12 for Memphis? Is that what you're saying? If so, yeah, I'm ruling it out, lol.

No, don't rule out what happened to us after we lost Keenum/Sumlin -- a 5-7 type season.

It's easy to just assume the next guys in line will be just as good as Lynch/Fuente, but it doesn't always work that way.

Memphis is falling into the trap of because the have already had success, that no matter what they will continue to have success. Which is exactly what happened with ucf fans and they went 0-12.

Just curious, how does anyone know what traps Memphis is or isn't falling into? Are we discussing the team or the fans?

To clarify im specifically talking about the fans. Obviously there is no way to know what traps the team may fall into or what their mentality really is.

So I should not overlook the possibility of going 0-12? Okay, I'm falling into that trap, lol. I'm overlooking it.

(04-23-2016 11:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 10:41 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:57 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:43 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:13 PM)Kronke Wrote:  No, don't rule out what happened to us after we lost Keenum/Sumlin -- a 5-7 type season.

It's easy to just assume the next guys in line will be just as good as Lynch/Fuente, but it doesn't always work that way.

Memphis is falling into the trap of because the have already had success, that no matter what they will continue to have success. Which is exactly what happened with ucf fans and they went 0-12.

Just curious, how does anyone know what traps Memphis is or isn't falling into? Are we discussing the team or the fans?

To clarify im specifically talking about the fans. Obviously there is no way to know what traps the team may fall into or what their mentality really is.

So I should not overlook the possibility of going 0-12? Okay, I'm falling into that trap, lol. I'm overlooking it.

Well 0-12 might be a little extreme but don't overlook the real possibility memphis wont go bowling.

(04-23-2016 11:49 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 10:41 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:57 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:43 PM)Westhoff123 Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:13 PM)Kronke Wrote:  No, don't rule out what happened to us after we lost Keenum/Sumlin -- a 5-7 type season.

It's easy to just assume the next guys in line will be just as good as Lynch/Fuente, but it doesn't always work that way.

Memphis is falling into the trap of because the have already had success, that no matter what they will continue to have success. Which is exactly what happened with ucf fans and they went 0-12.

Just curious, how does anyone know what traps Memphis is or isn't falling into? Are we discussing the team or the fans?

To clarify im specifically talking about the fans. Obviously there is no way to know what traps the team may fall into or what their mentality really is.

So I should not overlook the possibility of going 0-12? Okay, I'm falling into that trap, lol. I'm overlooking it.

Well then you're just being arrogant. I doubt they'll go 0-12, but it's a possibility for every team until they have that first win. Just like UH, the possibility is there although I also doubt it happens. I highly doubt there wasn't at least one ucf fan just like you last year.


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